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T O P I C R E V I E WOrangeman, this is so heartbreaking. And so mysterious.I was just looking at her chart and current transits. Why Jupiter is always there when dearth comes, this i cannot explain.Orange athenaiaRight away my eyes went to the transiting nodal axis on her natal Moon-Uranus opposition... under normal circumstances I would interpret this to be good luck for the native. However, transit Neptune is also loosely square that late Gemini-Sagittarius axis. Hence the drowning? The mysterious circumstances? Transit Pluto is on her Sun, transit Saturn was going to go back over it... that girl has had a long, downtrodden couple of years. You'd think transit Jupiter also on her Sun would have lessened the "rebirth" themes of Pluto but with everything else going on apparently not.. Also it was her Mars return :\ Mars was gonna be going back and forth on her North Node all year since it's going retro soon, also would've squared her natal Neptune. Almost makes me wonder if alcohol was involved and impaired her ability to swim or something with all the Neptune going on. This girl was going to have a jacked up year no matter what. Really tragic, especially for her son. May she rest in peace. TaurusVenusGirlThere's a lot of bad luck from that Glee cast. That's the 3rd that has deceased, that I'm aware of, at such a young age.. HazelNeptune is found in her 8th house - mysterious death. Her body may never be recovered. When i read about her disappearance, my first thought was - what is the trio of Pluto/Jupiter/Saturn doing in her chart. They are on her Sun, the ruler of her 4th house, some say IC is the end of one's time.BelageI always look for eclipse effects when a famous person dies. The full moon eclipse in Sagg was conjunct her Saturn, and Saturn is the ruler of her 8th house. That is not enough in itself to create death in a chart. But it can be the last straw and set things in motion. She had been having lots of intense 8th house activity.In her 8th house, for the past couple of years, she had been having Pluto and Saturn back and forth over her Sun and Mercury, with jupiter joining the fray last year. And keep in mind that this was within a south node global transit, a point of loss. Natal moon and Uranus opposition (or square) tends to confer emotional instability to the native. The current nodal transit was sitting on that axis, amplifying the intensity. Of course, we have to look at Neptune, whenever a large body of water is involved in death. She has natally Neptune in 8th house, for those natives, death tends to come mysteriously. The new moon eclipse in Cancer opposed her natal neptune, making it a south node connection and a point of loss. BelageIn any case, in my experience as an astrologer, we can never accurately predict someone's death. Though we can look retroactively and say, ahh, I see...BlackSwanI just watched the CCTV footage of her arriving to the docks, the angle of her parking is just so weird, I also read she left her handbag in her car too, which to me seems a little bit like maybe she was going through something that day, not all there? This is all so sad, poor boy Librapurr quote:Originally posted by Belage:In any case, in my experience as an astrologer, we can never accurately predict someone's death. Though we can look retroactively and say, ahh, I see...Thanks for that... Do we actually wanna? Why people try to find the deadly transit combinations... Do we wanna know when the planets decide to kill people around or us? To wait for it..Transits trigger events what can cause the different outcomes for the different people. FireVirgo quote:Originally posted by BlackSwan:I just watched the CCTV footage of her arriving to the docks, the angle of her parking is just so weird, I also read she left her handbag in her car too, which to me seems a little bit like maybe she was going through something that day, not all there?Yeah, the entire way she drove around and ended up parking askew and so much further away than necessary, looks strange. Leaving your purse in the car in a public area, is also careless. I honestly know nothing about her, but it’s not a far reach to assume she was under the influence. People drown in their bathtub all the time because they are drunk or high. I just feel like that’s most likely how it went down for her. Orange quote:Originally posted by FireVirgo: Yeah, the entire way she drove around and ended up parking askew and so much further away than necessary, looks strange. Leaving your purse in the car in a public area, is also careless. I honestly know nothing about her, but it’s not a far reach to assume she was under the influence. People drown in their bathtub all the time because they are drunk or high. I just feel like that’s most likely how it went down for her. Sounds very plausible and not as mysterious as it appeared initially. Leave it to a Virgo to explain it in basic terms....Kannon McAfeeThe most dynamic and troublesome transits for the date of her disappearance (July 8) as with so many other examples, are in the declinations.This natal chart has Asc 22°N contra-parallel Sun 21S37, Saturn 21S18, and Neptune 22S18. They were all being transited by Jupiter 21S46 & Pluto 22S17 parallel the planets and contra-parallel Asc on July 8. Those are more specific and personal than even the transiting nodes aligned conjunct/opposite natal Moon, which is certainly a noticeable transit affecting one's emotional balance and mental health. Because Sun, Mercury, & Neptune are natally in the 8th house, and Pluto is in transit conjunct Sun-Mercury, a life altering occurrence was/is possible. Then there is Neptune, conjunct natal Jupiter, also square to both natals Saturn & Uranus; and Uranus opposite natal Pluto.Because Jupiter & Pluto in Capricorn/8th were in the 22-24° range, I suspect that the Asc of this chart, thus the IC are a bit forward by 2-4°, which would put Jupiter & Pluto in quincunx to natal IC. (The 4th house is the first house of endings.)That is a huge load of transits to deal with and to many astrologers it would certainly look like potential disaster or the door to her life slamming shut.------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectificationBlackSwanI read on twitter that the Finnish word for the Devil is Piru....And the way that the shadows hit the lake as the boat undocks...sooooo eerieOrangeits kinda creepy that the transits of Jupiter pops up in many death cases. Also Ive noticed - the date of the solar return or with a few days from the date of the SR. whats up with that...Belage^Jupiter is involved in death when the person has been having a hard time for quite a while, and Jupiter manifests as a relief from this earth plane. BelageOne thing that jumps at me is how prominent mercury is in all this.Her chart ruler is Mercury. Natally, Mercury is in the 8th house of death. Her death happened during Mercury retrograde, and during North Node in Gemini whose ruler is Mercury.Perhaps we will understand more about her death when Mercury is direct. athenaia quote:Originally posted by Belage:One thing that jumps at me is how prominent mercury is in all this.Her chart ruler is Mercury. Natally, Mercury is in the 8th house of death. Her death happened during Mercury retrograde, and during North Node in Gemini whose ruler is Mercury.Perhaps we will understand more about her death when Mercury is direct. Yup you called it, they found her body a day after Mercury went direct. Orangeathena, wow ...really? I haven't heard of it yet , lemme check the news channel How fitting for the end of mercury retro LibrapurrCreepy part, a lot in her natal chart could look like prediction of her fate. Sun, AC ruler and Neptune are in 8th house, her mars sq. Neptune/ Uranus might give delusional, reckless actions. Neptune in 8th could stand for mystery death, transit Mars activate her Mars sq. Neptune. 8 house ruler sq. Jupiter. Jupiter conj. Transit Neptune. ( In Pisces -water)The weird situation with her child. He said they were swimming together, but she couldn’t go back to the boat. Isn’t kinda early to take 4 years old for swim in the middle of a lake. MoonMystic That is so sad and her son too. I'm not familiar with the tv series Glee as others are but I read elsewhere that cast has been afflicted with death at early ages. Has anyone done a chart on Glee?girlwiththerainysoul quote:Originally posted by Librapurr:The weird situation with her child. He said they were swimming together, but she couldn’t go back to the boat. Isn’t kinda early to take 4 years old for swim in the middle of a lake. I just read the lastes article on her death, and it appears that her son, when found was wearing a life jacket. It seems that the two of them got off the boat and went swimming, perhaps the she wanted to teach him, and she gets caught in a powerful current which that part of the lake is known for. Looking at her chart, her 5th ruler conjunct her sun in the 8th, it can be seen how her child got dragged into the situation with her; the two of them could have drowned together. About the astrology of her death, one thing is for certain, astrology or any other esoteric science cannot predict death. Accidents or losses can be foreseen, but not death itself. Since she has natal Mars square Uranus, Mars in the 11th, and Uranus in the 7th (a death inflicting house in vedic), it all points to her natural proneness to accidents. With saturn having entered her house of DC sign, it seems that this is a time for her to especially avoid getting into risky situations. Trasnit NN also on her natal moon, which rules her 2nd (another death house in vedic) perhaps points to another health-related situation. I watched Glee as a teenager and when Cory was found dead, I was shocked and sad for days. It's just so strange that her body was found on the exact same day as Cory's. I'm sure a numerology expert can realize something from their names and dates of birth. May she rest in peace. Hemilla quote:Originally posted by Orange: 8th house ruler conjunct uranus (sudden, strange, unpredictable) which rules her 10th (fame, public, career) - saturn in sag could mean it was an activity, swiming, boat ride...
However, transit Neptune is also loosely square that late Gemini-Sagittarius axis. Hence the drowning? The mysterious circumstances?
Transit Pluto is on her Sun, transit Saturn was going to go back over it... that girl has had a long, downtrodden couple of years.
You'd think transit Jupiter also on her Sun would have lessened the "rebirth" themes of Pluto but with everything else going on apparently not..
Also it was her Mars return :\ Mars was gonna be going back and forth on her North Node all year since it's going retro soon, also would've squared her natal Neptune. Almost makes me wonder if alcohol was involved and impaired her ability to swim or something with all the Neptune going on.
This girl was going to have a jacked up year no matter what. Really tragic, especially for her son. May she rest in peace.
When i read about her disappearance, my first thought was - what is the trio of Pluto/Jupiter/Saturn doing in her chart. They are on her Sun, the ruler of her 4th house, some say IC is the end of one's time.
The full moon eclipse in Sagg was conjunct her Saturn, and Saturn is the ruler of her 8th house. That is not enough in itself to create death in a chart. But it can be the last straw and set things in motion.
She had been having lots of intense 8th house activity.
In her 8th house, for the past couple of years, she had been having Pluto and Saturn back and forth over her Sun and Mercury, with jupiter joining the fray last year. And keep in mind that this was within a south node global transit, a point of loss.
Natal moon and Uranus opposition (or square) tends to confer emotional instability to the native. The current nodal transit was sitting on that axis, amplifying the intensity.
Of course, we have to look at Neptune, whenever a large body of water is involved in death. She has natally Neptune in 8th house, for those natives, death tends to come mysteriously. The new moon eclipse in Cancer opposed her natal neptune, making it a south node connection and a point of loss.
This is all so sad, poor boy
quote:Originally posted by Belage:In any case, in my experience as an astrologer, we can never accurately predict someone's death. Though we can look retroactively and say, ahh, I see...
Thanks for that... Do we actually wanna? Why people try to find the deadly transit combinations... Do we wanna know when the planets decide to kill people around or us? To wait for it..Transits trigger events what can cause the different outcomes for the different people.
quote:Originally posted by BlackSwan:I just watched the CCTV footage of her arriving to the docks, the angle of her parking is just so weird, I also read she left her handbag in her car too, which to me seems a little bit like maybe she was going through something that day, not all there?
Yeah, the entire way she drove around and ended up parking askew and so much further away than necessary, looks strange. Leaving your purse in the car in a public area, is also careless. I honestly know nothing about her, but it’s not a far reach to assume she was under the influence. People drown in their bathtub all the time because they are drunk or high. I just feel like that’s most likely how it went down for her.
quote:Originally posted by FireVirgo: Yeah, the entire way she drove around and ended up parking askew and so much further away than necessary, looks strange. Leaving your purse in the car in a public area, is also careless. I honestly know nothing about her, but it’s not a far reach to assume she was under the influence. People drown in their bathtub all the time because they are drunk or high. I just feel like that’s most likely how it went down for her.
Sounds very plausible and not as mysterious as it appeared initially. Leave it to a Virgo to explain it in basic terms....
This natal chart has Asc 22°N contra-parallel Sun 21S37, Saturn 21S18, and Neptune 22S18. They were all being transited by Jupiter 21S46 & Pluto 22S17 parallel the planets and contra-parallel Asc on July 8. Those are more specific and personal than even the transiting nodes aligned conjunct/opposite natal Moon, which is certainly a noticeable transit affecting one's emotional balance and mental health.
Because Sun, Mercury, & Neptune are natally in the 8th house, and Pluto is in transit conjunct Sun-Mercury, a life altering occurrence was/is possible.
Then there is Neptune, conjunct natal Jupiter, also square to both natals Saturn & Uranus; and Uranus opposite natal Pluto.
Because Jupiter & Pluto in Capricorn/8th were in the 22-24° range, I suspect that the Asc of this chart, thus the IC are a bit forward by 2-4°, which would put Jupiter & Pluto in quincunx to natal IC. (The 4th house is the first house of endings.)
That is a huge load of transits to deal with and to many astrologers it would certainly look like potential disaster or the door to her life slamming shut.
------------------Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations GuyExpert birth chart rectification
Her chart ruler is Mercury. Natally, Mercury is in the 8th house of death. Her death happened during Mercury retrograde, and during North Node in Gemini whose ruler is Mercury.
Perhaps we will understand more about her death when Mercury is direct.
quote:Originally posted by Belage:One thing that jumps at me is how prominent mercury is in all this.Her chart ruler is Mercury. Natally, Mercury is in the 8th house of death. Her death happened during Mercury retrograde, and during North Node in Gemini whose ruler is Mercury.Perhaps we will understand more about her death when Mercury is direct.
Yup you called it, they found her body a day after Mercury went direct.
The weird situation with her child. He said they were swimming together, but she couldn’t go back to the boat. Isn’t kinda early to take 4 years old for swim in the middle of a lake.
quote:Originally posted by Librapurr:The weird situation with her child. He said they were swimming together, but she couldn’t go back to the boat. Isn’t kinda early to take 4 years old for swim in the middle of a lake.
I just read the lastes article on her death, and it appears that her son, when found was wearing a life jacket. It seems that the two of them got off the boat and went swimming, perhaps the she wanted to teach him, and she gets caught in a powerful current which that part of the lake is known for.
Looking at her chart, her 5th ruler conjunct her sun in the 8th, it can be seen how her child got dragged into the situation with her; the two of them could have drowned together.
About the astrology of her death, one thing is for certain, astrology or any other esoteric science cannot predict death. Accidents or losses can be foreseen, but not death itself.
Since she has natal Mars square Uranus, Mars in the 11th, and Uranus in the 7th (a death inflicting house in vedic), it all points to her natural proneness to accidents. With saturn having entered her house of DC sign, it seems that this is a time for her to especially avoid getting into risky situations.
Trasnit NN also on her natal moon, which rules her 2nd (another death house in vedic) perhaps points to another health-related situation.
I watched Glee as a teenager and when Cory was found dead, I was shocked and sad for days. It's just so strange that her body was found on the exact same day as Cory's. I'm sure a numerology expert can realize something from their names and dates of birth.
May she rest in peace.
quote:Originally posted by Orange:
8th house ruler conjunct uranus (sudden, strange, unpredictable) which rules her 10th (fame, public, career) - saturn in sag could mean it was an activity, swiming, boat ride...
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