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T O P I C R E V I E WDhyanaAt the Democratic debate in August, 2019, Harris said she was proud of the work she did as attorney general of California, positioning her efforts as a matter of cleaning up policies put in place by people like the former VP [Joe Biden].Tulsi Gabbard: quote:I want to bring the conversation back to the broken criminal justice system that is disproportionately negatively impacting black and brown people all across this country today. Now Senator Harris says she’s proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she’ll be a prosecutor president. But I’m deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite but she put 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the State of California. And she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.Harris threatened the parents of kids who didn’t go to school with prosecution. quote:If you don’t go to school, I will put you and your parents in jail. http://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/i92mq5/harris_if_you_dont_go_to_school_i_will_put_you/ DhyanaKamala Harris’s controversial record on criminal justice, explainedHas Kamala Harris "evolved" in her positions on criminal justice or is she an ambitious opportunist who will say anything to get elected? quote:Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) has earned the reputation of a rising star in the Democratic Party, most recently becoming former Vice President Joe Biden’s running mate in the presidential election. But Harris has also faced questions over her record on criminal justice issues — a record that’s led some critics to describe her not as a progressive reformer but as a relic of a “tough on crime” era going back to the 1990s and 2000s.A close examination of Harris’s record shows it’s filled with contradictions. She pushed for programs that helped people find jobs instead of putting them in prison, but also fought to keep people in prison even after they were proved innocent. She refused to pursue the death penalty against a man who killed a police officer, but also defended California’s death penalty system in court. She implemented training programs to address police officers’ racial biases, but also resisted calls to get her office to investigate certain police shootings.Harris has reversed her position on bail: quote:She introduced a bail reform bill with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) that would encourage states to reform or replace their bail systems. This is a big part of the criminal justice system: By most estimates, hundreds of thousands of people are in jail right now, before they’ve been convicted of a crime, just because they can’t afford to pay their bail. A lot of advocacy work is now dedicated to getting rid of money bail almost entirely, which some places, like Washington, DC, have done with success. But the bill hasn’t moved far in Congress — although it’s now part of Harris’s presidential campaign platform.Harris also voted for the [President's] First Step Act, the most significant federal criminal justice reform bill to get through Congress in decades — although she tweeted at length about the bill’s shortcomings. She signed on to Booker’s marijuana legalization bill, introduced her own bill to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, and voted to legalize hemp.Her rhetoric on defunding the police is in line with what we're currently hearing in cities like Portland, Minneapolis, and Seattle. quote:After the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests over the Minneapolis police killing of George Floyd, Harris also backed more aggressive reforms to US policing, telling Meghan McCain on The View that the country is “reimagining how we do public safety in America” and speaking favorably of shifting resources from law enforcement to addressing the “root causes” of crime, such as poverty, education, and mental health issues. http://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harri s-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record PhoenixRisingShe is Libra. wisdpm of the heavens. Plus Oct 20 born -- The judge. I am looking forward to it. What ever happens next election, she has some great destiny.DhyanaKamala Harris Has a Distinguished Career of Serving Injustice quote:Harris favored criminalizing truancy, raising cash bail fees and keeping prisoners locked up for cheap labor.“Harris’s prosecutorial record, however, is far from progressive.”Harris Tried to Whitewash Jail Informant Scandal in CaliforniaHarris Minimized “Outrageous Government Misconduct” Harris Opposed Attorney General Investigations of Police ShootingsMany of Harris’s prosecutorial actions disproportionately hurt people of color. As did Joe Biden who supported the 1994 Crime Bill, which led to the mass incarceration of black people.So, we have Democrats, running for president and vice president, who both have records that "disproportionately hurt people of color." http://www.blackagendareport.com/kamala-harris-has-distinguished-career-serving-injus tice Dhyana@Peter Schweizer quote:This is a powerful video from The Intercept, in which they interview abuse victims who Kamala Harris ignored in their efforts to seek justice. Warning: graphic content http://twitter.com/peterschweizer/status/1293743011403378688 Dhyana@Techno_Fog"As California AG...Kamala fought to preserve convictions against the innocent - to further her own political career.Disturbing allegations against Kamala by those who fight for the wrongly accused:" quote:She fiercely fought wrongful convictions. And was shamed by judges when she was district attorney in San Francisco…the George Gage case where her prosecutors hid evidence….Once she knew that there was evidence that was withheld from defense attorneys…she tried to protect those convictions. Why? Because she wanted to continue winning. She went to great lengths to try to block access to DNA for people that were accused of or convicted of felonies. Think about it. We’re talking about a $12 DNA test. She has constantly, in case after case, issue after issue. And look, the people that she hurts the most are people of color in this country. http://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1293280168157548544 RandallShe is a despicable human being.BelageAs they are aiming to win over independents and undecided, I think Kamala's achille heel will be those statements she made about Biden when she was running:That she believed the women who accused him of inappropriate touching. THat he is a bigoted racist -or something to that extent. etc...If she really believed what she was saying back then, then she has some splaining to do as to why she agreed to be on his ticket and throw her support behind him. So the independents and undecided will be asking themselves, is she genuine, or is she a phony? This is actually an important factor for the independent and undecided.Dhyana@mtracey quote:Tulsi's debate stage confrontation with Kamala was so effective because it was 100% substantive and informed by Tulsi's sincere beliefs on criminal justice policy. Kamala responded by smearing her with unrelated nonsense (Assad) -- she couldn't defend her record on the merits quote:Contrast this with Kamala's infamous ambush of Biden -- a pre-planned marketing stunt that Kamala later admitted was pure political opportunism. Had nothing to do with her sincere beliefs on policy http://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1293344513088421889 BelageWhen asked by Colbert how did she turn around to support Biden after coming down so hard on him and accusing him of various things, Kamala Harris replies: It was a debate!(laughing)It was a debate!(Laughing).It was a debate!(laughing some more) https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg teasel quote:Originally posted by Belage:When asked by Colbert how did she turn around to support Biden after coming down so hard on him and accusing him of various things, Kamala Harris replies: It was a debate!(laughing)It was a debate!(Laughing).It was a debate!(laughing some more) https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg What about all of the republicans who were against trump, until he won?RandallPractically everything out of her mouth is a lie. She barely got 1 percent in the primaries and dropped out before Iowa. Blacks didn’t like her and women didn’t like her. She has guaranteed another four years for you know who. Belage quote:Originally posted by teasel: What about all of the republicans who were against trump, until he won?Who cares about these republicans? They are not running for the VP/POTUS seat. To explain her turnaround stance, Kamala could have said something like:Biden reached out to me privately after the debates and we communicated at length many times. He explained to me his positions and clarified his records, and he won me over as I was able to look at the undeniable facts he gave me, such as...(great opportunity to enumerate Biden's strong record if he has any) and I changed my stance. I am happy to take back what I said about him, I was misguided.You know, something sensible like the above, that shows she has respect for people's intelligence...Instead, she showed she has no morals and no convictions, she laughed like a hyenna, and gave this weird explanation, IT WAS A DEBATE! That is why some people are calling her Kamala Chameleon! jwhop"Biden reached out to me privately after the debates and we communicated at length many times. He explained to me his positions and clarified his records, and he won me over as I was able to look at the undeniable facts he gave me, such as...(great opportunity to enumerate Biden's strong record if he has any) and I changed my stance. I am happy to take back what I said about him, I was misguided."Way better than what Harris said. You might have a bright future in politics. Dhyana quote:Originally posted by jwhop:"Biden reached out to me privately after the debates and we communicated at length many times. He explained to me his positions and clarified his records, and he won me over as I was able to look at the undeniable facts he gave me, such as...(great opportunity to enumerate Biden's strong record if he has any) and I changed my stance. I am happy to take back what I said about him, I was misguided."Way better than what Harris said. You might have a bright future in politics. Oh, I agree, although I've been wondering for awhile if Belage is a pro, maybe a political consultant. BelageLol. You couldn't pay me enough to be a politician. :nono:Though I could be enticed into being a political consultant. I can look at things dispassionately, and I have always had a strong fascination for political science and human psychology, which imo are the areas a political consultant draws from to formulate recommendations. However, I lack the academic qualifications for this field, I am largely self-taught.teaselPeople here have trouble with Kamala and others getting along with Biden, even though they weren't besties at the debates? But no problem with people like Lindsay Graham hating trump, until they realized that they could use him to push through whatever they wanted (or try to). Belage quote:Originally posted by teasel:People here have trouble with Kamala and others getting along with Biden, even though they weren't besties at the debates? But no problem with people like Lindsay Graham hating trump, until they realized that they could use him to push through whatever they wanted (or try to). Ask and ye shall receive. Here is a youtube video of Lindsay Graham explaining fully why he changed his mind on Trump, instead of laughing it off and saying IT WAS A DEBATE!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74jPU6pHwAo
Tulsi Gabbard:
quote:I want to bring the conversation back to the broken criminal justice system that is disproportionately negatively impacting black and brown people all across this country today. Now Senator Harris says she’s proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she’ll be a prosecutor president. But I’m deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite but she put 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the State of California. And she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.
Now Senator Harris says she’s proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she’ll be a prosecutor president. But I’m deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite but she put 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so.
She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the State of California.
And she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.
Harris threatened the parents of kids who didn’t go to school with prosecution.
quote:If you don’t go to school, I will put you and your parents in jail.
http://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/i92mq5/harris_if_you_dont_go_to_school_i_will_put_you/
Has Kamala Harris "evolved" in her positions on criminal justice or is she an ambitious opportunist who will say anything to get elected?
quote:Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) has earned the reputation of a rising star in the Democratic Party, most recently becoming former Vice President Joe Biden’s running mate in the presidential election. But Harris has also faced questions over her record on criminal justice issues — a record that’s led some critics to describe her not as a progressive reformer but as a relic of a “tough on crime” era going back to the 1990s and 2000s.A close examination of Harris’s record shows it’s filled with contradictions. She pushed for programs that helped people find jobs instead of putting them in prison, but also fought to keep people in prison even after they were proved innocent. She refused to pursue the death penalty against a man who killed a police officer, but also defended California’s death penalty system in court. She implemented training programs to address police officers’ racial biases, but also resisted calls to get her office to investigate certain police shootings.
A close examination of Harris’s record shows it’s filled with contradictions. She pushed for programs that helped people find jobs instead of putting them in prison, but also fought to keep people in prison even after they were proved innocent. She refused to pursue the death penalty against a man who killed a police officer, but also defended California’s death penalty system in court. She implemented training programs to address police officers’ racial biases, but also resisted calls to get her office to investigate certain police shootings.
Harris has reversed her position on bail:
quote:She introduced a bail reform bill with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) that would encourage states to reform or replace their bail systems. This is a big part of the criminal justice system: By most estimates, hundreds of thousands of people are in jail right now, before they’ve been convicted of a crime, just because they can’t afford to pay their bail. A lot of advocacy work is now dedicated to getting rid of money bail almost entirely, which some places, like Washington, DC, have done with success. But the bill hasn’t moved far in Congress — although it’s now part of Harris’s presidential campaign platform.Harris also voted for the [President's] First Step Act, the most significant federal criminal justice reform bill to get through Congress in decades — although she tweeted at length about the bill’s shortcomings. She signed on to Booker’s marijuana legalization bill, introduced her own bill to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, and voted to legalize hemp.
Harris also voted for the [President's] First Step Act, the most significant federal criminal justice reform bill to get through Congress in decades — although she tweeted at length about the bill’s shortcomings. She signed on to Booker’s marijuana legalization bill, introduced her own bill to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, and voted to legalize hemp.
Her rhetoric on defunding the police is in line with what we're currently hearing in cities like Portland, Minneapolis, and Seattle.
quote:After the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests over the Minneapolis police killing of George Floyd, Harris also backed more aggressive reforms to US policing, telling Meghan McCain on The View that the country is “reimagining how we do public safety in America” and speaking favorably of shifting resources from law enforcement to addressing the “root causes” of crime, such as poverty, education, and mental health issues.
http://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harri s-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record
quote:Harris favored criminalizing truancy, raising cash bail fees and keeping prisoners locked up for cheap labor.“Harris’s prosecutorial record, however, is far from progressive.”Harris Tried to Whitewash Jail Informant Scandal in CaliforniaHarris Minimized “Outrageous Government Misconduct” Harris Opposed Attorney General Investigations of Police ShootingsMany of Harris’s prosecutorial actions disproportionately hurt people of color.
“Harris’s prosecutorial record, however, is far from progressive.”
Harris Tried to Whitewash Jail Informant Scandal in California
Harris Minimized “Outrageous Government Misconduct”
Harris Opposed Attorney General Investigations of Police Shootings
Many of Harris’s prosecutorial actions disproportionately hurt people of color.
As did Joe Biden who supported the 1994 Crime Bill, which led to the mass incarceration of black people.
So, we have Democrats, running for president and vice president, who both have records that "disproportionately hurt people of color."
http://www.blackagendareport.com/kamala-harris-has-distinguished-career-serving-injus tice
quote:This is a powerful video from The Intercept, in which they interview abuse victims who Kamala Harris ignored in their efforts to seek justice. Warning: graphic content
http://twitter.com/peterschweizer/status/1293743011403378688
"As California AG...
Kamala fought to preserve convictions against the innocent - to further her own political career.
Disturbing allegations against Kamala by those who fight for the wrongly accused:"
quote:She fiercely fought wrongful convictions. And was shamed by judges when she was district attorney in San Francisco…the George Gage case where her prosecutors hid evidence….Once she knew that there was evidence that was withheld from defense attorneys…she tried to protect those convictions. Why? Because she wanted to continue winning. She went to great lengths to try to block access to DNA for people that were accused of or convicted of felonies. Think about it. We’re talking about a $12 DNA test. She has constantly, in case after case, issue after issue. And look, the people that she hurts the most are people of color in this country.
She went to great lengths to try to block access to DNA for people that were accused of or convicted of felonies. Think about it. We’re talking about a $12 DNA test. She has constantly, in case after case, issue after issue. And look, the people that she hurts the most are people of color in this country.
http://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1293280168157548544
That she believed the women who accused him of inappropriate touching. THat he is a bigoted racist -or something to that extent. etc...
If she really believed what she was saying back then, then she has some splaining to do as to why she agreed to be on his ticket and throw her support behind him. So the independents and undecided will be asking themselves, is she genuine, or is she a phony? This is actually an important factor for the independent and undecided.
quote:Tulsi's debate stage confrontation with Kamala was so effective because it was 100% substantive and informed by Tulsi's sincere beliefs on criminal justice policy. Kamala responded by smearing her with unrelated nonsense (Assad) -- she couldn't defend her record on the merits
quote:Contrast this with Kamala's infamous ambush of Biden -- a pre-planned marketing stunt that Kamala later admitted was pure political opportunism. Had nothing to do with her sincere beliefs on policy
http://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1293344513088421889
It was a debate!(laughing)It was a debate!(Laughing).It was a debate!(laughing some more)
https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg
quote:Originally posted by Belage:When asked by Colbert how did she turn around to support Biden after coming down so hard on him and accusing him of various things, Kamala Harris replies: It was a debate!(laughing)It was a debate!(Laughing).It was a debate!(laughing some more) https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg
What about all of the republicans who were against trump, until he won?
quote:Originally posted by teasel: What about all of the republicans who were against trump, until he won?
Who cares about these republicans? They are not running for the VP/POTUS seat. To explain her turnaround stance, Kamala could have said something like:
Biden reached out to me privately after the debates and we communicated at length many times. He explained to me his positions and clarified his records, and he won me over as I was able to look at the undeniable facts he gave me, such as...(great opportunity to enumerate Biden's strong record if he has any) and I changed my stance. I am happy to take back what I said about him, I was misguided.
You know, something sensible like the above, that shows she has respect for people's intelligence...Instead, she showed she has no morals and no convictions, she laughed like a hyenna, and gave this weird explanation, IT WAS A DEBATE!
That is why some people are calling her Kamala Chameleon!
Way better than what Harris said. You might have a bright future in politics.
quote:Originally posted by jwhop:"Biden reached out to me privately after the debates and we communicated at length many times. He explained to me his positions and clarified his records, and he won me over as I was able to look at the undeniable facts he gave me, such as...(great opportunity to enumerate Biden's strong record if he has any) and I changed my stance. I am happy to take back what I said about him, I was misguided."Way better than what Harris said. You might have a bright future in politics.
Oh, I agree, although I've been wondering for awhile if Belage is a pro, maybe a political consultant.
Though I could be enticed into being a political consultant. I can look at things dispassionately, and I have always had a strong fascination for political science and human psychology, which imo are the areas a political consultant draws from to formulate recommendations. However, I lack the academic qualifications for this field, I am largely self-taught.
quote:Originally posted by teasel:People here have trouble with Kamala and others getting along with Biden, even though they weren't besties at the debates? But no problem with people like Lindsay Graham hating trump, until they realized that they could use him to push through whatever they wanted (or try to).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74jPU6pHwAo
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