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T O P I C R E V I E WKarmicMoonI don't usually use composites but I have noticed a few things I'm not sure of...Some planets/asteroids are listed in retrograde. Is this considered? How is it calculated?My Nodes are direct, sometimes in the composite the Nodes are then listed as direct, sometimes not. Is this ever considered in the reading?What does ++opp. house mean? Thanks for the help!Vajra.VajradpKarmicMoonGood links Vajra, thanks. I'm not to sure about composites myself. I prefer synastry with composite used as additional info.Still curious about the first two.Ceridwencomposites are the summary of the aspectual relations of a synastry; for that reason they always need to be read in relation to the synastry and natal charts. However in doing that they are an invaluable tool for finding strong aspectual themes, either as common feature of the natals, or in terms of synastric aspects (Double whammies mostly). I suppose planets will only come up as retrograde in a composite chart if both people have that planet retrograde, but I am not sure. I am not too keen on the opposing-houses-thing astro.com does. composites are a midpoint chart, and showing the aspect gestalt of synastry, the patterns, and should be treated as such. They are NOT a real existing chart, and therefore,y es, Mercury CAN show up 150° off Sun. But if this is the near midpoint between Mercuries, than that is what it is. C `est tout. astra7Am I thinking correctly that if you have DW trines, it shows as oppositions or conjunction in composite? (e.g. Sun trine Pluto DW in synastry, Sun opp. Pluto in composite) But Sun trine Venus DW became, Sun conj. Venus. At least that's how it seems to have worked out in one of my charts. CeridwenIf you have DW trines in the opposite direction (one waxing, the other waning) then it will appear as conjunction or opposition in composite.If it is in the same phase (both waxing or waning), it will come up either as trine or sextile, provided the orbs are tight. Vajra.KarmicMoonThanks everyone. Here is the thing, I can't figure out how it is calculating it because it is all different.Examples...Composite with person one...I only have Neptune and Pallas retro, nodes directHe has Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, Vesta retroComposite Uranus, Neptune, Pluto retro, Nodes directPerson two with meMe sameHe has Jupiter, Chiron, Juno retroComp Chiron retro, node directPerson threeMe sameShe has Mercury, Saturn, Ceres retroComp nothing retro, nodes do not show directSo it doesn't seem to be related to both people having the retro. Plus, I am the only one of the three with direct nodes, so why would they be direct with the first two and not the third???If it's a case of it not being relevant, why list it?Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Vajra: I have basically the same view. Moreover, if it is purely a midpoint chart, why would retrograde or direct motion of the respective planets even matter? A midpoint is purely a mathematical point, and has by definition no motion of its own, so I do not quite see why a planetary midpoint should be assigned the label "retrograde" or "direct" at all…Perhaps it would be less confusing if the chart wheel of the composite were drawn differently from the natal chart wheel; for instance, rather than depicting planetary symbols like "Sun", it could mark these things as "Sun MP" or "Moon MP"…. (just spiraling here, obviously). I absolutely agree with you. I do not pay any attention at all to retrograde or direct motion in composite. It doesn`t matter. Not even in terms of progressions. cause we cannot progress a composite like we would a natal chart, because it is NOT a natal chart. What we can do however is take the progressed individual charts of two people and make a progressed composite of that.And yes it works, as well as transits. Why?Because within and underlying the combined midpoints of two people there are still the natal charts at work. CeridwenKarmic Moon,*I* think it is irrelevant. Astro.com however might not share my sentiments. But I have no clue how or why that happens. I just don`t hink it is significant. KarmicMoonWell Ceri, YOU are the expert IMO, so if you say ignore So a progressed composite is the midpoints of the progressed natals?Thanks for the help!Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by KarmicMoon:So a progressed composite is the midpoints of the progressed natals?Yes, it is.
Some planets/asteroids are listed in retrograde. Is this considered? How is it calculated?
My Nodes are direct, sometimes in the composite the Nodes are then listed as direct, sometimes not. Is this ever considered in the reading?
What does ++opp. house mean?
Thanks for the help!
Still curious about the first two.
I suppose planets will only come up as retrograde in a composite chart if both people have that planet retrograde, but I am not sure. I am not too keen on the opposing-houses-thing astro.com does. composites are a midpoint chart, and showing the aspect gestalt of synastry, the patterns, and should be treated as such. They are NOT a real existing chart, and therefore,y es, Mercury CAN show up 150° off Sun. But if this is the near midpoint between Mercuries, than that is what it is. C `est tout.
Here is the thing, I can't figure out how it is calculating it because it is all different.
Examples...Composite with person one...I only have Neptune and Pallas retro, nodes directHe has Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, Vesta retroComposite Uranus, Neptune, Pluto retro, Nodes direct
Person two with meMe sameHe has Jupiter, Chiron, Juno retroComp Chiron retro, node direct
Person threeMe sameShe has Mercury, Saturn, Ceres retroComp nothing retro, nodes do not show direct
So it doesn't seem to be related to both people having the retro. Plus, I am the only one of the three with direct nodes, so why would they be direct with the first two and not the third???
If it's a case of it not being relevant, why list it?
quote:Originally posted by Vajra: I have basically the same view. Moreover, if it is purely a midpoint chart, why would retrograde or direct motion of the respective planets even matter? A midpoint is purely a mathematical point, and has by definition no motion of its own, so I do not quite see why a planetary midpoint should be assigned the label "retrograde" or "direct" at all…Perhaps it would be less confusing if the chart wheel of the composite were drawn differently from the natal chart wheel; for instance, rather than depicting planetary symbols like "Sun", it could mark these things as "Sun MP" or "Moon MP"…. (just spiraling here, obviously).
Perhaps it would be less confusing if the chart wheel of the composite were drawn differently from the natal chart wheel; for instance, rather than depicting planetary symbols like "Sun", it could mark these things as "Sun MP" or "Moon MP"…. (just spiraling here, obviously).
I absolutely agree with you. I do not pay any attention at all to retrograde or direct motion in composite. It doesn`t matter. Not even in terms of progressions. cause we cannot progress a composite like we would a natal chart, because it is NOT a natal chart.
What we can do however is take the progressed individual charts of two people and make a progressed composite of that.And yes it works, as well as transits. Why?Because within and underlying the combined midpoints of two people there are still the natal charts at work.
*I* think it is irrelevant. Astro.com however might not share my sentiments. But I have no clue how or why that happens. I just don`t hink it is significant.
So a progressed composite is the midpoints of the progressed natals?
quote:Originally posted by KarmicMoon:So a progressed composite is the midpoints of the progressed natals?
Yes, it is.
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