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T O P I C R E V I E WCeridwenJust wanting to share this with you, Mir (and of course those interested as well). Well I had the idea yesterday to book for a "winterjam" in november, which Mr Sag will also attend, but it is going to be hosted by another musical actor, whom I also saw on the open air two years ago. Well he got my attention cause he reminded me sooo much of my university-days, in terms of looks and behaviour reminding me of the group I was spending most time with (the guys mostly being into heavy metal and gothic music, and well actually quite different to how I or my friend was, but I have really fond memories of our "monday-afternoon-philosophy-coffee-club" Well while waiting for the various buses or trains to come in, we solved the riddles of the world. and somehow that performer reminded me of those times). Nevertheles so I just had a curious peek, because I was bored (and because he under language-skills he put "Latin", who does that I mean even if someone has been taught that language, it is such a hated subject in school, who names it as language they speak? He JUST got really interesting for the Latin-teacher in me. ). Anyway so just having a peek at the progressed synastry for fun (no Moon nor angles for him though).his pMars trine my pMars 0.35ahis pJupiter square my pVErtex 0.06shis pSun conjunct my nVertex 1.09 a(and my n Sun/Moon-mp)his pVenus square my nUranus 1.26a( naturally)his pMars trine my nVenus 1.18ahis pMars square my nMars 0.26 ahis pMercury conjunct my nVertex 0.14amy pSun trine his nVenus 1.34amy pSun trine his nPluto 0.26 aAs I said just very random, but found it sort of funny and wanted to share. mir^ Wow some slow biggies~! Not one to forget I think. So, how shall we call this musical actor, Mr..? ;D You also picked up the need for some random progressed stuff as I took an unusual sideway into progressed phases yesterday. Focusing mainly on opposing (or the same) progessed phases in synastry. Not a la Cochrane as those opposing phases we can find in the progressed compo ofcourse. But the more astronomically tuned opposing phases a la the Lunar Phase where we start at the New Moon (the Sun/Moon conjunction) to then divide the phases and to finally end with the conjunction again. This we can also do with Venus and Mars. Venus conjunct Mars you then might call a 'New Venus'. Or with any pair of planets. Setting 'New' for the quicker mover planet. This usually not as a relationship starter ofcourse as those phases are pretty consistent in the progressed realm and you already might catch a glimpse of it when looking at the natal-synastry. But more to see which phases correlate on an entire life-path. To give an example of Federico Fellini and Giulietta Masina with Saturn/Moon (at their start although that's not the point here);Him;pMoon 3,5 SagpSaturn 9,5 VirgoHer;pMoon 13 GempSaturn 21 Virgo^ him 6 deg applying (waxing square)Her 8 deg applying (waning square)While if you look at their natals;Her;nMoon 2 VirgonSaturn 23 VirgoHis;nMoon 25 CapnSaturn 11 Virgo^ not so 'opposed' at all.This is really an interesting way of looking.But it takes some time to get it and you Always have to 'visualize' the phases. Like; the waxing quincunx is the opposing phase of the waning semi-sextile. And the waning trine of the waxing sextile etc. But you really get a feel for it finally.Not the time for more examples now. CeridwenI know what you mean, it is not the same, but I once got into the relationship-cycles-thing. Anyway those progressed phases are really interesting. As for the musical actor we could call him Mr-I-wish-I-had-hair-like-you. LOLI mean seriously no man should have such long smooth hair. Mr Gemini would be a possibility actually. His Sun is conjunct my SN in my 7th house exact after all. I did not develop a crush on him though, just thought he seemed cool, and well, he did a great job with the rocking version of "Can`t take my eyes off of you" back then. Ceridwen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swLVQe3b5Fo Mr Gemini is the second with the long brown hair. Well it baffles me though how I still prefer Mr Sag, given that our progressed synastry seems to lack all the usual ingredients. mir^ there must be some breeze on stage with his proud manes flying in it ;DI think I like the blue t-shirt better (although I've really always liked such heads of hair with a guy I always ended up with the bald ones hehe) quote:Well it baffles me though how I still prefer Mr Sag, given that our progressed synastry seems to lack all the usual ingredients.We really have to find out what that is indeed. I'll take a look at your progressed phase synastry soon. CeridwenYes, Mr Sag and the guitarist were making fun of Mr Gem because of the hair apparently (probably out of hair-envy ) - oh and I love the blue shirt, too- Anyway I would be thankful you could have a look, cause evidently it is not only me, but he`s been sort of very focused on me in recent occasions, too. Of course I look stunning nowadays. Just kidding of course. But seriously it should show astrologically and there is just none of the usual suspects, though our composite is heading towards a full moon. (january 2019), and I think pr composite Moon had just been opposite to composite Sun.But still I`d be thankful if you could have a look. What charts should I post here? mirCeri, I have you both on one of my countless astro accounts (I'll find you ;D) , so no need to post (unless u want ofcourse).Ceridwenoh you have us, we feel flattered. (well he would feel flattered, if he knew at least ). But can you also walk me through the process, so I can learn from how you do it? mirLol.. OKAY.Well, I have no idea how to make those complex mind steps clear here, butteuh.. let's try~!Step 1)Post the "SYNASTRY Additional Tables" (astro.com) of the MERIDIAN house system here. So: no wheel, just the tables. Add: h21, h22. (no asteroids).EDIT@Ow euh... wait a second!sorry, I MEANT (at least for now) the PROGRESSED synastry, ofcourse. It's also better to NOT post the table of the prog compo itself (can be confusing).CeridwenI try to figure out how to post tables. :;D CeridwenDo you mean like that?And well, honestly, I donīt see anything there. [/URL]mirOK, first some instructions how to find opposing phases. As a guideline keep in mind that these are "opposing phases";- Waxing trine & Waning sextile (and vice versa, so: waxing sextile and waning trine).- Waning semi-sextile & waxing quincunx (and vice versa)- opposition and conjunction- waxing square and waning squareAn example;We see in Ceri's progressed chart a semi-sextile between Sun and Mars;- pSun 7'57 Aqua- pMars 4'55 CapWe now look at Mr Sag's progressed chart to see if there's possibly a QUINCUNX between his Sun and Mars. Unfortunately! No quincunx. Suppose we had found one between his Sun/Mars, then the next step is seeing whether both aspects are waxing or waning. We can go on with the next..Let me know when you find one~!I have not yet taken a deeper look into it myself.mirOK, I just had a quick look (I have not the right focus at the moment so I leave the rest for later and I just HAD to find one as an example u know ;D) and ..tadaaaaaaaaa;Ceri and Mr Sag have a wonderful Lilith/Uranus opp. phase.(wasn't lilith a big theme in your relationship? wow! ;D)Mr Sag- Uranus 25 scorp- Lilith 27 Virgo^ a WANING sextile.Ceri- Uranus 2,5 Scorp- Lilith 4 Pisces^ a WAXING trine.THAT fits like yin ^ yang ~! Ok, I hope it's getting a bit clear now.. will look later for more. Yea it takes some time u know ---I looked at your natals and it's already an exact opposing phase there! By approx 4 deg applying both. I'm mentioning this ^ because in this case it's a bit difficult to set one or the other (progressed- or natal-synastry) on a pedestal as being more accurate. This in contrast to the Saturn/Moon case of fellini and giulietta which clearly gave a 1-0 for progressed synastry.mirTo get some feel for this method, I want to share one of the never mentioned astro secrets behind the connection Lennon & Yoko one. Synastry wise, there doesn't appear to be an outstanding Venus/Mars connection, or? Well, appearances can be deceiving...... Look at this;Her Venus 13'47 AquaHer Mars 15'07 VirgoHis Venus 3'12 VirgoHer Mars 2'40 Libra^ Wow! How fitting: a waning semi-sextile and a waxing quincunx. Ofcourse this example is a very obvious one. With a little exercise you're able to trace those at a glance, keeping my 'opposing guideline aspects' given above in mind: waning semi-sextile / waxing quincunx etc. More often it's not that obvious. Like..... another couple from my country, totally in love for many yearss;HimVenus 22'07 AquaMars 17'07 GemHerVenus 0'40 VirgoMars 26'21 Gem^ nothing special at 1st sight, but..- his' V/M in a separating WANING trine by 5 deg.- her V/M in a separating WAXING sextile by 4,5 deg.Very verry strong opposing phase. Both aspects Always have to be globally the same amount of degrees separating or applying when relying on the guideline aspects. Like, 15 deg ahead of the waxing quincunx and 15 deg ahead of the waning semi-sextile. Or: 26 deg before the waxing trine and 26 deg before the waning sextile. Currently this couple's Venus/Mars progressions are doing this;Hers a 3,5 deg separating waxing square.His' a 6 deg applying waning square.^ = an applying progressed composite Venus/Mars conjunction by 1 deg. -------Did you know that.....- those opposing beauties are often not traceable in the Composite? In the case of Yoko & Lennon it did become an exact V/M sextile but only because of his exact natal semi-sextile and her exact natal quincunx. In the other couple's case, it became an invisible composite quincunx of 5 deg.- Lennon had a totally unaspected Mars in their synastry? (her Moon didn't receive a thing either but that's not part of the game here haha)- I'm not looking for EXACT opposing phases and already glad to find it globally? ;DCeridwenThank you, Mir. And very interesting! Well, I wouldn`t call our connection a relationship, but yes it makes sense to me, though I donīt have such a negative view on Lilith, and it`s true, it`s been an ongoing pushing the boundaries (of my comfortzone, not sure about his).I wonder if the fact we both have the Uranus-Lilith-phasal aspect might make those progressions including Uranus or Lilith more important to us. I mean it just seems like Uranus-progressions are such a major factor in the recent years and even now, and Lilith has been increasingly more prominent as well (usually in relation to Moon or Venus though)Interestingly my parents each have a natal connection between Lilith and Uranus as well, though not in complementary phases(my Dad has the sextile at 0°27, my Mom has the conjunction at 0°57)I noticed that cause it is yet one more thing that is at least similiar, in some ways it`s like my synastry with mr Sag reflects several things coming up in the synastry of my parents as well, so maybe that does figure in for me, some sort of recognition of the energy. BTW what do you make of the same phases and complimentary aspects, as an example we haveMe: Juno 16°58 PiscesSaturn 16° 57 Cancer- a waning trine, right?Him: Juno 27°39 CancerSaturn 26°42 Virgo- a waning sextile I think. I wonder how you would interprete that?Actually I`ve always been intrigued with the set up of Saturn, Juno, Valentine and Vertex in our charts, but canīt really put my finger on why this is. Me---Saturn 16.57 CancerJuno 16.58 PiscesValentine 27.32 ScorpioVertex 21.28 Cancer Him--------Saturn 26.42 VirgoJuno 27.39 CancerValentine 19.35 ScorpioVertex 28°30 Virgomidpointsme----Saturn/Vertex 19°13 CancerSaturn/Juno 16°58 TaurusSaturn/Valentine 22°15 VirgoJuno/Vertex 19°13 TaurusValentine/Vertex 24°31 VirgoJuno/Valentine 22°15 TaurusHim----Saturn/Vertex 27°37 VirgoSaturn/Juno 27°11 Leosaturn/Valentine 23°09 LibraJuno/Vertex 28°05 LeoValentine/Vertex 24°03LibraJuno/Valentine 23°38 VirgoNo clue what I am looking at here, maybe nothing. In the composite: Juno 22°13 Taurus oppositeValentine 23°34 Scorpio squareSaturn 21°50 Leo Vertex 24°59 LeoI know it is asteroids (and you said no asteroids, but it just looked "funny" at me )EDITActually Moon seems to be part of it in the composite (Ceres, too), making a Cradle with the Juno-VAlentine-opposition and a Yod with Saturn, putting Saturn probably not only ont the Juno/Valentine-mp (due to the T-square) but also on the Moon/Ceres-midpoint (due to being at the apex of a Yod - sorry I am disgressing this has nothing to do with aspct phases I suppose. lol)Moon 22°52 CapCeres 23°20 PiscesNevertheless hmmm, Moon, I wonderhis Moon 28°30 Sagmy Moon 17°06 Aqua (my Moon being underwhelmingly aspected in our synastry which does not make ANY sense at all!)Could that be something?My Moon 17°06 Aquamy Juno 16°58 Pisces- a waning semisextile at 0°08 separatinghis Moon 28°39 Sagittariushis Juno 27°39 Cancer- a waxing quinkunx at 1°00 separatingOr would the orb be too large? But this is what you mean with opposite phases, right? If it is indeed something and not nothing and I am not just grasping for straws here then please let me take a moment to go about the mindboggling irony here of having a simultaneous Uranus-Lilith and Moon-Juno. LOL CeridwenI also checked my parent`s chart (with the addition of Ceres and Juno). There was only one of these opposite phases aspects, thisher Sun 3°33 Scorpioher Ceres 2°39 Pisceswaning trine, 0°54 separatinghis Sun 5°17 Aquariushis Ceres 3°53 Sagittariuswaxing sextile, 1°21 separatingonly one of those, however highly indicative of the basic theme of their relationship, as it centres a lot of caring and nurturing for each other but also for others, including children, relatives and parents. mir quote:his Moon 28°30 Sagmy Moon 17°06 Aqua (my Moon being underwhelmingly aspected in our synastry which does not make ANY sense at all!)Could that be something?My Moon 17°06 Aquamy Juno 16°58 Pisces- a waning semisextile at 0°08 separatinghis Moon 28°39 Sagittariushis Juno 27°39 Cancer- a waxing quinkunx at 1°00 separatingOr would the orb be too large? But this is what you mean with opposite phases, right? If it is indeed something and not nothing and I am not just grasping for straws here then please let me take a moment to go about the mindboggling irony here of having a simultaneous Uranus-Lilith and Moon-Juno. LOLSomething???Wow my gosh, that is *IT* ~! LOol.. really, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse. I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;- verrrry tight orbs (meant: phases exactly opposed)- exact natal aspects - Earthly points involved (moon and lilith / very personal) [but this has its basis in my ever existing doubt about "geo-OR-helio?"/ I simply can't shake off the feeling that we miss a VERY essential thing when ignoring our helio chart, I think about this a lot with entire visualizations of our solar system]^ and I really don't expect it to be THAT strong. All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? I haven't looked deeper yet in your synastry. quote:BTW what do you make of the same phases and complimentary aspects, as an example we haveMe: Juno 16°58 PiscesSaturn 16° 57 Cancer- a waning trine, right?Him: Juno 27°39 CancerSaturn 26°42 Virgo- a waning sextile I think. I wonder how you would interprete that?Very interesting question.I see those a lot also. And yes they have to be significant too. Both natal aspects share the same distance from a waning OR waxing square then. Which results in a Composite square. In that case we Always see APPLYING and SEPARATING by the same amount of degrees (this in contrast to the opposing phase where it's both applying or both separating with the same amount), like with Burton and Taylor;(EDIT@ to be honest, I suspect to be thinking too much in terms of composite aspects here ^ / let me be lost for a moment / you're offering a new brainbreaker with both Saturn so intrinsically involved with moon/juno / there's at least a very verry interesting interplay between all + even lilith as already part of the Moon on it's turn connected to Uranus}Her;Sun 7 piscesMoon 16 scorpHis; 18 scorpSun 9 virgo^ both WANING.Hers a separating trine by 9 degree.His' an applying sextile by 9 degree.= an exact Composite Sun/Moon square. CeridwenMir, "Something???Wow my gosh, that is *IT* ~!" LOVE your reaction!"eally, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse."What do you mean? As in a great astrological discovery maybe? "I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;"I wouldn`t have thought anyone would think of Lilith/Uranus as a jewel except you and me. "- Earthly points involved (moon and lilith / very personal)"You`re right. did not think of it, but of course they are very closely related to the Earth. " [but this has its basis in my ever existing doubt about "geo-OR-helio?"/ I simply can't shake off the feeling that we miss a VERY essential thing when ignoring our helio chart,"I am going back and forth on this. Well the geo-chart definitely seems to work superbly, and if doing helio chart, all of the earthly personal points fall away (Moon, ASC, MC, Vertex, Lilith etc.)Subjectively speaking I think geo is absolutely accurate and valid, but the helio might contribute a different perspective, maybe more objective (whatever that is). I know about the esoteric interpretations of helio, but those do not hit the target for me, though I do not exactly know how to interprete it. And frankly I am not so thrilled with his pVenus applying to a square with my pEarth. lol Though I wonder if this Venus-Earth-square has the same implications as in the geocentric. or how the interpretation between helio and geo differ. CeridwenBut you made me check the progressed helio composite. And lol, what IS that? [/URL]direct midpoints:Pluto = Mercury/Venus 0°16 s Venus = Mars/Pluto 0°47 a (!)Mars = Venus/Ceres 0°16 a (man has children after all though no girls)Mars = Saturn/Neptune 0°49 s(and really glad this one is separating, it`s just such a gloomy and sad and isolated picture; somewhen in the past the isolation must have ended)Juno = Earth/Ceres 0°18 not sure, separating? Is Earth and Ceres together faster, right?Jupiter = Earth/Ceres 1°21This one is wide, but I suppose Jupiter is slower than the other two, soJupiter 14°27 GeminiEarth/Ceres 13°06 Gemini- might be applying, let`s talk next year or in two years about this. Also interestingly Jupiter=Mercury/Saturn 1°32 sanother rather difficult picture, as in a good way Mercury/Saturn could be about structured, serious communication, but I always fear it is more indicative of going mute around someone else, which let`s face it is what I often did in the past. But again some time ago that picture must have stopped being "active"Neptune = Mercury/Saturn 0°55 separatingyet ANOTHER picture highlighting high tension between the imaginative and spiritual and the real sphere of communication. I assume I can very much see my insecurity about what to believe and always assuming the worst possibility and being afraid of deluding myself; and it seems so at least, this happend to him, too. All of this started to "break open" (like a festering wound. lol) in june 2014, with this very long, almost startled and pained expression in his eyes when he as looking at me and singing about "the vision who was not quite real": I can sooo see the Neptune=MErcury/Saturn in this. lol And while I am all for deluding myself once again, its interesting that a friend I met on his fanmeeting was commenting on the concert back then, when this happened, and still remembered how he seemed to "have been lost in his own world", just following that short sequence I just mentioned and before blurting uot I was driving him crazy. lol It just seems fitting timing. I think I will have a look later what about these difficult midpoint pictures at THAT point; though it was only a gradual slow moving beyond the vagueness and muteness of before). CeridwenWell at THAT point, with that blubbering-to-the-surface (though I was not very responsive to that I fear, not that year at least). [/URL]not as composed as the present pr composite, but I notice that Venus was opposite Pluto, probably just having started and the peak of it was - LOL, that is just TOO rich. Well last year in june he announced the upcoming fanmeeting, I commented on it, but adding that I was probably not going to attend because I am a really shy person naturally, he told me to get there nevertheless. And well the day after that I saw him, and I remember that moment during a song we were looking at each other, and it was like he - maybe for the first time- understood and realized that my bizarre evasive behaviour really did not have anything to do with him (or as a negative reaction to him) but that I probably just didn`t know how to act around him because I am rather shy. It just felt like this might have taken place though, and I do remember, too, that big smile rising up on his face during this moment. Well at that day there was in the progressed helio chartVenus 13.44 AriesPluto 13.40 LibraWhat a timing! Anyway back to the concert a year before that (with the not so real vision which apparently was me). Mars = Saturn/Neptune 0°00!!!! That.Is.UNBELIEVABLE. It was THAT exact time. Wow, the man (Mars) going on about the vision (Neptune) who was -not- real (Saturn). Neptune = Venus/Saturn 0°31 separatingMaybe one of THE most depressing midpoint pictures when it comes to romantic associations, as this represents too often unrequited love, or at least the feeling as if feelings are unrequited, or if this is not it, just a big No in terms of sharing feelings (though technically it COULD be about solidifying feelings). This was separating at that time.That is the interpretation of Witte tot his: "VE/SA=NE To reject or repress affections. To be averse to love because of coldness. Betrayed love. A love union broken because of falsehood."It`s amazing I can trace those difficult midpoint pictures almost precisely to the day our communication broke down because of something. The last time it happened in november and resulted in me disappearing completely (and internally separating myself) for almost 2 months (and funny enough, with the first post I made again, he was instantly responding to this, as if he was even relieved I had not gone for good, despite any better judgement). That day in november when I took another hiatusNeptune 15°04 SagittariusMercury/Saturn 15°04 GeminiAGAIN ZERO orb at the precise day! I mean what is the probability of that happening? And not just once, but at least twice? Wow!Sorry I got distracted. "^ and I really don't expect it to be THAT strong."What do you mean? You donīt expect MOon-Juno to be strong? Or the helio chart? EDITBTW just in case you wonder - well I did- what about the exact timing of Neptune = Venus/Saturn, it is interesting to me that we reconnected (after some years) when this one was just 5 minutes separating. lol mir quote:"eally, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse."What do you mean? As in a great astrological discovery maybe?Yessss. quote:"I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;"I wouldn`t have thought anyone would think of Lilith/Uranus as a jewel except you and me.Eeeey I have an exact Lilith/Uranus conjunction, like your mom~! ;D quote:Black Moon-Lilith and Uranus have a number of features in common: taste for independence, dislike of routines and anything which can perceived as enslaving constraints, affinity with original things, and a rebel (if not rebellious) nature. (In Kabbalistic mythology, Lilith was Adam's first wife. She rebelled and left him because she did not want to be subjected to his control.) On the lower mode, a major Uranus-Black Moon aspect can enhance the potential restlessness associated with Uranus and make it difficult for the native to stick to long term enterprises or follow any kind of discipline. On the higher mode, the sharpness and originality of Black Moon will reinforce the imagination and creativity of Uranus. On an even higher mode, the metaphysical depth of the Black Moon combines with Uranus in the chart of great visionaries such as Sri Aurobindo (Mars, Uranus, Black Moon conjunct in the 12th), or Edgar Cayce (opposition). Think also of the depth of vision of people such as John Kennedy (opposition), or Steven Spielberg (opposition). http://lilith.tribe.net/thread/7ea4d091-18ab-4aaa-80ee-40f3418a9f23 Interesting placements Helio wise~! Wowie.CeridwenI like Uranus-Lilith. I mean it is in Aquarius for me additionally and I think even on the antiscion of Uranus."All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? "I am not sure I understand what you mean?How do I find the hidden ones?"Which results in a Composite square. In that case we Always see APPLYING and SEPARATING by the same amount of degrees "Yes, like it happens with Saturn in our case that comes up squaring Juno-Valentine in composite.It happens with Venus-Pluto, too. Both in the waxing phase. His Venus is in a separating square (5 degrees) to Plutomy Venus in an applying square to Pluto (3 degrees), resulting in a composite square with an one degree orb. (well just under one degree)CeridwenHey, I was watching THIS video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g6NYP79E_E And he emphasized the importance to find a couple`s "special aspect" and simultaneously stressing the importance of the harmonious aspects with inclusion of the 9th and 18th harmonic (being sort of a semi-9th). Well I kind of did not include the 18th before, however, it belongs in the sequence. And while I was customizing my solar fire to ONLY show conjunction, opposition, trines, sextile, 9th and 18th harmonic aspects, what do you imagine I was stumbling across again?Moon-Juno. I thought i was watching a completely unrelated video, but it brought me back to exactly this topic. Why?Because apparently we have Moon aspecting Juno in the 9th harmonic MUTUALLY! They stem from the same harmonic family. And could be worse than 9th harmonic. though I never really noticed it because the orb are partially wider than what I usually use. my Moon Bnovile his Juno 1°40his Moon Qnovile my Juno 0°33I will have to have a closer look at this, because it looks like these are part of quite some synastric patterns, but just wanted to share this. (of course this is NOT our "special aspect").I guess Cochrane would consider as our "special aspect" his Sun Qnovile my Saturn 0°00his Sun Qnovile my DESC 0°03"his Sun Bnovile my Juno 0°00)Well he goes on about how major 9th harmonic aspects are though I guess he would consider these as important. BTW yes, it DOES mean that my natal has Saturn novile DESC with an orb of only 4 minutes, and yes, that puts HIS Sun on my Saturn/DESC-mp with a 2 minute-orb. (and btw my Sun is on HIS Saturn/ASC-mp, though in this case it is on the basis of a 4th harmonic pattern, with 14 - minutes of orb)Of course it reinforces my natal pattern, as I have Sun in 9th harmonic aspect to my Saturn and DESC myself, as our Suns are closely conjunct. However in my natal the orb is wider. For me Sun = Saturn/DESC with 1°03, so he makes it closer for me; my Saturn-DESC-novile is pretty exact with 3 minutes of orb, but my Sun is not entirely precisely aligned, for that I needed his Sun. mir quote:Because apparently we have Moon aspecting Juno in the 9th harmonic MUTUALLY! They stem from the same harmonic family. And could be worse than 9th harmonic. though I never really noticed it because the orb are partially wider than what I usually use. my Moon Bnovile his Juno 1°40his Moon Qnovile my Juno 0°33I will have to have a closer look at this, because it looks like these are part of quite some synastric patterns, but just wanted to share this. (of course this is NOT our "special aspect").I guess Cochrane would consider as our "special aspect" his Sun Qnovile my Saturn 0°00his Sun Qnovile my DESC 0°03"his Sun Bnovile my Juno 0°00)Wow! Interestingly enough our most special MAJOR aspect is at the same time from the novile family and even a DW with also most exact in 9th;- My Uranus trine (tri-novile) his Moon (0'04)- His Uranus novile my Moon (0'01)(although I consider our DW exact Sun/Neptune quincunx as the most special with a compo opp. of minutes)It's interesting that he puts those noviles so on a pedestal: similar like trines and sextiles, healing, nurturing, supporting, integrating.Well in fact, it can't be any better in that case with Moon/Uranus ;D (both need a lot of space)-----Back to the opposing phases;this is what we also have,MeSun/Uranus WANING sextile (3)himSun/Uranus WAXING trine (4)^ to cross-work;Sun/Uranus 160 deg <1 (novile fam.)Sun/Uranus 140 deg <1 (you might also call it one from the novile family if we consider the semi-novile with 20 deg an aspect)(becomes Sun/Uranus quincunx in compo)^ I think it's just a different/opposing way of dealing with the needed space. A way that doesn't bore. Keep things alive, as with any opopsing phase. ----I almost start to think there's a correlation between my discovered opposing phases and the 9th harmonic (20, 40, 80, 100, 140, 160 degrees) realm~! I'll find that out one day. @ no, ^ can't be the case.mir quote:"All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? "I am not sure I understand what you mean?How do I find the hidden ones?Well, not exactly a hidden one buteuh.. a BEAUTY at a glance~!(not to forget Moon/Juno)Moon/IC;Your pMoon 20'35 LeoYour pIC 17'42 TaurusHis pMoon 5'57 TaurusHis pIC 1'39 Leo^ the signs don't even matter here but the fact that these are opposing, so: simply FITTING, phases DOES. And I would call these EXACT opposing phases. - His pMoon in a 4 deg applying WANING square to his IC.- Your pMoon in a 3 deg applying WAXING square to your IC. Opposing phases are really like moths to a flame, no doubt about it. To make it a bit understandable with the basics;A natal Sun/Moon conjunction (or: NEW MOON) is magnetically attracted to a natal Sun/Moon opposition (or: FULL MOON).This ^ is the case for any pair of planets in that outfit (Venus/Mars or Moon/IC or Mars/Moon orrrr name it~!)[note: I talk about "globals" here, I am not looking for literally exact opposing phases / after all: it's all about certain phase energies that simply resonate]If those Full Mooners and New Mooners are so attracted then ofcourse there are many 'opposing phases' along the wheel, like the natal waxing square to the natal waning square OR the natal waxing semi-sextiles to natal waning quincunx etc. In the progressions ofcourse, these phases would become at the same time a New Moon and a Full Moon or: a "new Venus" and a "Full Venus" (similar like the lunar phase). To be honest, without visualizing the Lunar Phase wheel I'm sure I wouldn't get a thing either from all I'm saying here ;DOkay guys, if there are questions let me know~!
Well I had the idea yesterday to book for a "winterjam" in november, which Mr Sag will also attend, but it is going to be hosted by another musical actor, whom I also saw on the open air two years ago. Well he got my attention cause he reminded me sooo much of my university-days, in terms of looks and behaviour reminding me of the group I was spending most time with (the guys mostly being into heavy metal and gothic music, and well actually quite different to how I or my friend was, but I have really fond memories of our "monday-afternoon-philosophy-coffee-club" Well while waiting for the various buses or trains to come in, we solved the riddles of the world. and somehow that performer reminded me of those times).
Nevertheles so I just had a curious peek, because I was bored (and because he under language-skills he put "Latin", who does that I mean even if someone has been taught that language, it is such a hated subject in school, who names it as language they speak? He JUST got really interesting for the Latin-teacher in me. ).
Anyway so just having a peek at the progressed synastry for fun (no Moon nor angles for him though).
his pMars trine my pMars 0.35ahis pJupiter square my pVErtex 0.06s
his pSun conjunct my nVertex 1.09 a(and my n Sun/Moon-mp)
his pVenus square my nUranus 1.26a( naturally)
his pMars trine my nVenus 1.18ahis pMars square my nMars 0.26 a
his pMercury conjunct my nVertex 0.14a
my pSun trine his nVenus 1.34amy pSun trine his nPluto 0.26 a
As I said just very random, but found it sort of funny and wanted to share.
You also picked up the need for some random progressed stuff as I took an unusual sideway into progressed phases yesterday. Focusing mainly on opposing (or the same) progessed phases in synastry. Not a la Cochrane as those opposing phases we can find in the progressed compo ofcourse. But the more astronomically tuned opposing phases a la the Lunar Phase where we start at the New Moon (the Sun/Moon conjunction) to then divide the phases and to finally end with the conjunction again. This we can also do with Venus and Mars. Venus conjunct Mars you then might call a 'New Venus'. Or with any pair of planets. Setting 'New' for the quicker mover planet.
This usually not as a relationship starter ofcourse as those phases are pretty consistent in the progressed realm and you already might catch a glimpse of it when looking at the natal-synastry. But more to see which phases correlate on an entire life-path.
To give an example of Federico Fellini and Giulietta Masina with Saturn/Moon (at their start although that's not the point here);
Him;pMoon 3,5 SagpSaturn 9,5 Virgo
Her;pMoon 13 GempSaturn 21 Virgo
^ him 6 deg applying (waxing square)Her 8 deg applying (waning square)
While if you look at their natals;
Her;nMoon 2 VirgonSaturn 23 Virgo
His;nMoon 25 CapnSaturn 11 Virgo
^ not so 'opposed' at all.
This is really an interesting way of looking.But it takes some time to get it and you Always have to 'visualize' the phases. Like; the waxing quincunx is the opposing phase of the waning semi-sextile. And the waning trine of the waxing sextile etc. But you really get a feel for it finally.Not the time for more examples now.
Anyway those progressed phases are really interesting.
As for the musical actor we could call him Mr-I-wish-I-had-hair-like-you. LOLI mean seriously no man should have such long smooth hair.
Mr Gemini would be a possibility actually. His Sun is conjunct my SN in my 7th house exact after all. I did not develop a crush on him though, just thought he seemed cool, and well, he did a great job with the rocking version of "Can`t take my eyes off of you" back then.
Mr Gemini is the second with the long brown hair.
Well it baffles me though how I still prefer Mr Sag, given that our progressed synastry seems to lack all the usual ingredients.
I think I like the blue t-shirt better (although I've really always liked such heads of hair with a guy I always ended up with the bald ones hehe)
quote:Well it baffles me though how I still prefer Mr Sag, given that our progressed synastry seems to lack all the usual ingredients.
We really have to find out what that is indeed. I'll take a look at your progressed phase synastry soon.
Anyway I would be thankful you could have a look, cause evidently it is not only me, but he`s been sort of very focused on me in recent occasions, too. Of course I look stunning nowadays. Just kidding of course.
But seriously it should show astrologically and there is just none of the usual suspects, though our composite is heading towards a full moon. (january 2019), and I think pr composite Moon had just been opposite to composite Sun.
But still I`d be thankful if you could have a look. What charts should I post here?
But can you also walk me through the process, so I can learn from how you do it?
OKAY.
Well, I have no idea how to make those complex mind steps clear here, butteuh.. let's try~!
Step 1)Post the "SYNASTRY Additional Tables" (astro.com) of the MERIDIAN house system here. So: no wheel, just the tables. Add: h21, h22. (no asteroids).
EDIT@Ow euh... wait a second!
sorry, I MEANT (at least for now) the PROGRESSED synastry, ofcourse.
It's also better to NOT post the table of the prog compo itself (can be confusing).
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As a guideline keep in mind that these are "opposing phases";
- Waxing trine & Waning sextile (and vice versa, so: waxing sextile and waning trine).- Waning semi-sextile & waxing quincunx (and vice versa)- opposition and conjunction- waxing square and waning square
An example;
We see in Ceri's progressed chart a semi-sextile between Sun and Mars;
- pSun 7'57 Aqua- pMars 4'55 Cap
We now look at Mr Sag's progressed chart to see if there's possibly a QUINCUNX between his Sun and Mars.
Unfortunately! No quincunx.
Suppose we had found one between his Sun/Mars, then the next step is seeing whether both aspects are waxing or waning.
We can go on with the next..
Let me know when you find one~!
I have not yet taken a deeper look into it myself.
tadaaaaaaaaa;
Ceri and Mr Sag have a wonderful Lilith/Uranus opp. phase.
(wasn't lilith a big theme in your relationship? wow! ;D)
Mr Sag- Uranus 25 scorp- Lilith 27 Virgo
^ a WANING sextile.
Ceri- Uranus 2,5 Scorp- Lilith 4 Pisces
^ a WAXING trine.
THAT fits like yin ^ yang ~!
Ok, I hope it's getting a bit clear now.. will look later for more. Yea it takes some time u know
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I looked at your natals and it's already an exact opposing phase there! By approx 4 deg applying both.
I'm mentioning this ^ because in this case it's a bit difficult to set one or the other (progressed- or natal-synastry) on a pedestal as being more accurate. This in contrast to the Saturn/Moon case of fellini and giulietta which clearly gave a 1-0 for progressed synastry.
Look at this;
Her Venus 13'47 AquaHer Mars 15'07 Virgo
His Venus 3'12 VirgoHer Mars 2'40 Libra
^ Wow! How fitting: a waning semi-sextile and a waxing quincunx.
Ofcourse this example is a very obvious one. With a little exercise you're able to trace those at a glance, keeping my 'opposing guideline aspects' given above in mind: waning semi-sextile / waxing quincunx etc.
More often it's not that obvious.
Like...
.. another couple from my country, totally in love for many yearss;
HimVenus 22'07 AquaMars 17'07 Gem
HerVenus 0'40 VirgoMars 26'21 Gem
^ nothing special at 1st sight, but..
- his' V/M in a separating WANING trine by 5 deg.- her V/M in a separating WAXING sextile by 4,5 deg.
Very verry strong opposing phase. Both aspects Always have to be globally the same amount of degrees separating or applying when relying on the guideline aspects. Like, 15 deg ahead of the waxing quincunx and 15 deg ahead of the waning semi-sextile. Or: 26 deg before the waxing trine and 26 deg before the waning sextile.
Currently this couple's Venus/Mars progressions are doing this;
Hers a 3,5 deg separating waxing square.His' a 6 deg applying waning square.
^ = an applying progressed composite Venus/Mars conjunction by 1 deg.
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Did you know that.....
- those opposing beauties are often not traceable in the Composite? In the case of Yoko & Lennon it did become an exact V/M sextile but only because of his exact natal semi-sextile and her exact natal quincunx. In the other couple's case, it became an invisible composite quincunx of 5 deg.
- Lennon had a totally unaspected Mars in their synastry? (her Moon didn't receive a thing either but that's not part of the game here haha)
- I'm not looking for EXACT opposing phases and already glad to find it globally? ;D
And very interesting!
Well, I wouldn`t call our connection a relationship, but yes it makes sense to me, though I donīt have such a negative view on Lilith, and it`s true, it`s been an ongoing pushing the boundaries (of my comfortzone, not sure about his).
I wonder if the fact we both have the Uranus-Lilith-phasal aspect might make those progressions including Uranus or Lilith more important to us. I mean it just seems like Uranus-progressions are such a major factor in the recent years and even now, and Lilith has been increasingly more prominent as well (usually in relation to Moon or Venus though)
Interestingly my parents each have a natal connection between Lilith and Uranus as well, though not in complementary phases
(my Dad has the sextile at 0°27, my Mom has the conjunction at 0°57)
I noticed that cause it is yet one more thing that is at least similiar, in some ways it`s like my synastry with mr Sag reflects several things coming up in the synastry of my parents as well, so maybe that does figure in for me, some sort of recognition of the energy.
BTW what do you make of the same phases and complimentary aspects, as an example we have
Me: Juno 16°58 PiscesSaturn 16° 57 Cancer
- a waning trine, right?
Him: Juno 27°39 CancerSaturn 26°42 Virgo
- a waning sextile I think.
I wonder how you would interprete that?
Actually I`ve always been intrigued with the set up of Saturn, Juno, Valentine and Vertex in our charts, but canīt really put my finger on why this is.
Me---Saturn 16.57 CancerJuno 16.58 PiscesValentine 27.32 ScorpioVertex 21.28 Cancer
Him--------Saturn 26.42 VirgoJuno 27.39 CancerValentine 19.35 ScorpioVertex 28°30 Virgo
midpoints
me----Saturn/Vertex 19°13 CancerSaturn/Juno 16°58 TaurusSaturn/Valentine 22°15 VirgoJuno/Vertex 19°13 TaurusValentine/Vertex 24°31 VirgoJuno/Valentine 22°15 Taurus
Him----Saturn/Vertex 27°37 VirgoSaturn/Juno 27°11 Leosaturn/Valentine 23°09 LibraJuno/Vertex 28°05 LeoValentine/Vertex 24°03LibraJuno/Valentine 23°38 Virgo
No clue what I am looking at here, maybe nothing.
In the composite:
Juno 22°13 Taurus oppositeValentine 23°34 Scorpio squareSaturn 21°50 Leo Vertex 24°59 Leo
I know it is asteroids (and you said no asteroids, but it just looked "funny" at me )
EDITActually Moon seems to be part of it in the composite (Ceres, too), making a Cradle with the Juno-VAlentine-opposition and a Yod with Saturn, putting Saturn probably not only ont the Juno/Valentine-mp (due to the T-square) but also on the Moon/Ceres-midpoint (due to being at the apex of a Yod - sorry I am disgressing this has nothing to do with aspct phases I suppose. lol)
Moon 22°52 CapCeres 23°20 Pisces
Nevertheless hmmm, Moon, I wonder
his Moon 28°30 Sagmy Moon 17°06 Aqua (my Moon being underwhelmingly aspected in our synastry which does not make ANY sense at all!)
Could that be something?
My Moon 17°06 Aquamy Juno 16°58 Pisces- a waning semisextile at 0°08 separating
his Moon 28°39 Sagittariushis Juno 27°39 Cancer- a waxing quinkunx at 1°00 separating
Or would the orb be too large?
But this is what you mean with opposite phases, right? If it is indeed something and not nothing and I am not just grasping for straws here then please let me take a moment to go about the mindboggling irony here of having a simultaneous Uranus-Lilith and Moon-Juno. LOL
There was only one of these opposite phases aspects, this
her Sun 3°33 Scorpioher Ceres 2°39 Pisceswaning trine, 0°54 separating
his Sun 5°17 Aquariushis Ceres 3°53 Sagittariuswaxing sextile, 1°21 separating
only one of those, however highly indicative of the basic theme of their relationship, as it centres a lot of caring and nurturing for each other but also for others, including children, relatives and parents.
quote:his Moon 28°30 Sagmy Moon 17°06 Aqua (my Moon being underwhelmingly aspected in our synastry which does not make ANY sense at all!)Could that be something?My Moon 17°06 Aquamy Juno 16°58 Pisces- a waning semisextile at 0°08 separatinghis Moon 28°39 Sagittariushis Juno 27°39 Cancer- a waxing quinkunx at 1°00 separatingOr would the orb be too large? But this is what you mean with opposite phases, right? If it is indeed something and not nothing and I am not just grasping for straws here then please let me take a moment to go about the mindboggling irony here of having a simultaneous Uranus-Lilith and Moon-Juno. LOL
Something???
Wow my gosh, that is *IT* ~!
LOol.. really, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse.
I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;- verrrry tight orbs (meant: phases exactly opposed)- exact natal aspects - Earthly points involved (moon and lilith / very personal) [but this has its basis in my ever existing doubt about "geo-OR-helio?"/ I simply can't shake off the feeling that we miss a VERY essential thing when ignoring our helio chart, I think about this a lot with entire visualizations of our solar system]
^ and I really don't expect it to be THAT strong.
All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? I haven't looked deeper yet in your synastry.
quote:BTW what do you make of the same phases and complimentary aspects, as an example we haveMe: Juno 16°58 PiscesSaturn 16° 57 Cancer- a waning trine, right?Him: Juno 27°39 CancerSaturn 26°42 Virgo- a waning sextile I think. I wonder how you would interprete that?
Very interesting question.
I see those a lot also. And yes they have to be significant too. Both natal aspects share the same distance from a waning OR waxing square then. Which results in a Composite square. In that case we Always see APPLYING and SEPARATING by the same amount of degrees (this in contrast to the opposing phase where it's both applying or both separating with the same amount), like with Burton and Taylor;
(EDIT@ to be honest, I suspect to be thinking too much in terms of composite aspects here ^ / let me be lost for a moment / you're offering a new brainbreaker with both Saturn so intrinsically involved with moon/juno / there's at least a very verry interesting interplay between all + even lilith as already part of the Moon on it's turn connected to Uranus}
Her;Sun 7 piscesMoon 16 scorp
His; 18 scorpSun 9 virgo
^ both WANING.
Hers a separating trine by 9 degree.His' an applying sextile by 9 degree.
= an exact Composite Sun/Moon square.
"Something???
Wow my gosh, that is *IT* ~!" LOVE your reaction!
"eally, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse."What do you mean? As in a great astrological discovery maybe?
"I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;"I wouldn`t have thought anyone would think of Lilith/Uranus as a jewel except you and me.
"- Earthly points involved (moon and lilith / very personal)"You`re right. did not think of it, but of course they are very closely related to the Earth.
" [but this has its basis in my ever existing doubt about "geo-OR-helio?"/ I simply can't shake off the feeling that we miss a VERY essential thing when ignoring our helio chart,"I am going back and forth on this. Well the geo-chart definitely seems to work superbly, and if doing helio chart, all of the earthly personal points fall away (Moon, ASC, MC, Vertex, Lilith etc.)Subjectively speaking I think geo is absolutely accurate and valid, but the helio might contribute a different perspective, maybe more objective (whatever that is). I know about the esoteric interpretations of helio, but those do not hit the target for me, though I do not exactly know how to interprete it.
And frankly I am not so thrilled with his pVenus applying to a square with my pEarth. lol Though I wonder if this Venus-Earth-square has the same implications as in the geocentric. or how the interpretation between helio and geo differ.
direct midpoints:
Pluto = Mercury/Venus 0°16 s
Venus = Mars/Pluto 0°47 a (!)
Mars = Venus/Ceres 0°16 a (man has children after all though no girls)
Mars = Saturn/Neptune 0°49 s(and really glad this one is separating, it`s just such a gloomy and sad and isolated picture; somewhen in the past the isolation must have ended)
Juno = Earth/Ceres 0°18 not sure, separating? Is Earth and Ceres together faster, right?
Jupiter = Earth/Ceres 1°21This one is wide, but I suppose Jupiter is slower than the other two, so
Jupiter 14°27 GeminiEarth/Ceres 13°06 Gemini- might be applying, let`s talk next year or in two years about this.
Also interestingly Jupiter=Mercury/Saturn 1°32 s
another rather difficult picture, as in a good way Mercury/Saturn could be about structured, serious communication, but I always fear it is more indicative of going mute around someone else, which let`s face it is what I often did in the past. But again some time ago that picture must have stopped being "active"
Neptune = Mercury/Saturn 0°55 separatingyet ANOTHER picture highlighting high tension between the imaginative and spiritual and the real sphere of communication. I assume I can very much see my insecurity about what to believe and always assuming the worst possibility and being afraid of deluding myself; and it seems so at least, this happend to him, too. All of this started to "break open" (like a festering wound. lol) in june 2014, with this very long, almost startled and pained expression in his eyes when he as looking at me and singing about "the vision who was not quite real": I can sooo see the Neptune=MErcury/Saturn in this. lol And while I am all for deluding myself once again, its interesting that a friend I met on his fanmeeting was commenting on the concert back then, when this happened, and still remembered how he seemed to "have been lost in his own world", just following that short sequence I just mentioned and before blurting uot I was driving him crazy. lol It just seems fitting timing. I think I will have a look later what about these difficult midpoint pictures at THAT point; though it was only a gradual slow moving beyond the vagueness and muteness of before).
not as composed as the present pr composite, but I notice that
Venus was opposite Pluto, probably just having started and the peak of it was - LOL, that is just TOO rich.
Well last year in june he announced the upcoming fanmeeting, I commented on it, but adding that I was probably not going to attend because I am a really shy person naturally, he told me to get there nevertheless. And well the day after that I saw him, and I remember that moment during a song we were looking at each other, and it was like he - maybe for the first time- understood and realized that my bizarre evasive behaviour really did not have anything to do with him (or as a negative reaction to him) but that I probably just didn`t know how to act around him because I am rather shy. It just felt like this might have taken place though, and I do remember, too, that big smile rising up on his face during this moment.
Well at that day there was in the progressed helio chart
Venus 13.44 AriesPluto 13.40 Libra
What a timing!
Anyway back to the concert a year before that (with the not so real vision which apparently was me).
Mars = Saturn/Neptune 0°00!!!!
That.Is.UNBELIEVABLE.
It was THAT exact time. Wow, the man (Mars) going on about the vision (Neptune) who was -not- real (Saturn).
Neptune = Venus/Saturn 0°31 separatingMaybe one of THE most depressing midpoint pictures when it comes to romantic associations, as this represents too often unrequited love, or at least the feeling as if feelings are unrequited, or if this is not it, just a big No in terms of sharing feelings (though technically it COULD be about solidifying feelings). This was separating at that time.
That is the interpretation of Witte tot his: "VE/SA=NE To reject or repress affections. To be averse to love because of coldness. Betrayed love. A love union broken because of falsehood."
It`s amazing I can trace those difficult midpoint pictures almost precisely to the day our communication broke down because of something. The last time it happened in november and resulted in me disappearing completely (and internally separating myself) for almost 2 months (and funny enough, with the first post I made again, he was instantly responding to this, as if he was even relieved I had not gone for good, despite any better judgement).
That day in november when I took another hiatus
Neptune 15°04 SagittariusMercury/Saturn 15°04 GeminiAGAIN ZERO orb at the precise day! I mean what is the probability of that happening? And not just once, but at least twice? Wow!
Sorry I got distracted.
"^ and I really don't expect it to be THAT strong."What do you mean? You donīt expect MOon-Juno to be strong? Or the helio chart?
EDITBTW just in case you wonder - well I did- what about the exact timing of Neptune = Venus/Saturn, it is interesting to me that we reconnected (after some years) when this one was just 5 minutes separating. lol
quote:"eally, we are at the beginning of something grrrreat, still in its infancy ofcourse."What do you mean? As in a great astrological discovery maybe?
Yessss.
quote:"I would call your Juno/Moon also (next to your lilith/Uranus) a jewel because of;"I wouldn`t have thought anyone would think of Lilith/Uranus as a jewel except you and me.
Eeeey I have an exact Lilith/Uranus conjunction, like your mom~! ;D
quote:Black Moon-Lilith and Uranus have a number of features in common: taste for independence, dislike of routines and anything which can perceived as enslaving constraints, affinity with original things, and a rebel (if not rebellious) nature. (In Kabbalistic mythology, Lilith was Adam's first wife. She rebelled and left him because she did not want to be subjected to his control.) On the lower mode, a major Uranus-Black Moon aspect can enhance the potential restlessness associated with Uranus and make it difficult for the native to stick to long term enterprises or follow any kind of discipline. On the higher mode, the sharpness and originality of Black Moon will reinforce the imagination and creativity of Uranus. On an even higher mode, the metaphysical depth of the Black Moon combines with Uranus in the chart of great visionaries such as Sri Aurobindo (Mars, Uranus, Black Moon conjunct in the 12th), or Edgar Cayce (opposition). Think also of the depth of vision of people such as John Kennedy (opposition), or Steven Spielberg (opposition).
On the lower mode, a major Uranus-Black Moon aspect can enhance the potential restlessness associated with Uranus and make it difficult for the native to stick to long term enterprises or follow any kind of discipline.
On the higher mode, the sharpness and originality of Black Moon will reinforce the imagination and creativity of Uranus.
On an even higher mode, the metaphysical depth of the Black Moon combines with Uranus in the chart of great visionaries such as Sri Aurobindo (Mars, Uranus, Black Moon conjunct in the 12th), or Edgar Cayce (opposition). Think also of the depth of vision of people such as John Kennedy (opposition), or Steven Spielberg (opposition).
Interesting placements Helio wise~! Wowie.
"All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? "I am not sure I understand what you mean?How do I find the hidden ones?
"Which results in a Composite square. In that case we Always see APPLYING and SEPARATING by the same amount of degrees "Yes, like it happens with Saturn in our case that comes up squaring Juno-Valentine in composite.
It happens with Venus-Pluto, too.
Both in the waxing phase. His Venus is in a separating square (5 degrees) to Plutomy Venus in an applying square to Pluto (3 degrees), resulting in a composite square with an one degree orb. (well just under one degree)
I was watching THIS video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g6NYP79E_E
And he emphasized the importance to find a couple`s "special aspect" and simultaneously stressing the importance of the harmonious aspects with inclusion of the 9th and 18th harmonic (being sort of a semi-9th). Well I kind of did not include the 18th before, however, it belongs in the sequence.
And while I was customizing my solar fire to ONLY show conjunction, opposition, trines, sextile, 9th and 18th harmonic aspects, what do you imagine I was stumbling across again?
Moon-Juno.
I thought i was watching a completely unrelated video, but it brought me back to exactly this topic.
Why?
Because apparently we have Moon aspecting Juno in the 9th harmonic MUTUALLY! They stem from the same harmonic family. And could be worse than 9th harmonic. though I never really noticed it because the orb are partially wider than what I usually use.
my Moon Bnovile his Juno 1°40his Moon Qnovile my Juno 0°33
I will have to have a closer look at this, because it looks like these are part of quite some synastric patterns, but just wanted to share this. (of course this is NOT our "special aspect").
I guess Cochrane would consider as our "special aspect" his Sun Qnovile my Saturn 0°00his Sun Qnovile my DESC 0°03"his Sun Bnovile my Juno 0°00)
Well he goes on about how major 9th harmonic aspects are though I guess he would consider these as important.
BTW yes, it DOES mean that my natal has Saturn novile DESC with an orb of only 4 minutes, and yes, that puts HIS Sun on my Saturn/DESC-mp with a 2 minute-orb. (and btw my Sun is on HIS Saturn/ASC-mp, though in this case it is on the basis of a 4th harmonic pattern, with 14 - minutes of orb)
Of course it reinforces my natal pattern, as I have Sun in 9th harmonic aspect to my Saturn and DESC myself, as our Suns are closely conjunct. However in my natal the orb is wider. For me Sun = Saturn/DESC with 1°03, so he makes it closer for me; my Saturn-DESC-novile is pretty exact with 3 minutes of orb, but my Sun is not entirely precisely aligned, for that I needed his Sun.
quote:Because apparently we have Moon aspecting Juno in the 9th harmonic MUTUALLY! They stem from the same harmonic family. And could be worse than 9th harmonic. though I never really noticed it because the orb are partially wider than what I usually use. my Moon Bnovile his Juno 1°40his Moon Qnovile my Juno 0°33I will have to have a closer look at this, because it looks like these are part of quite some synastric patterns, but just wanted to share this. (of course this is NOT our "special aspect").I guess Cochrane would consider as our "special aspect" his Sun Qnovile my Saturn 0°00his Sun Qnovile my DESC 0°03"his Sun Bnovile my Juno 0°00)
Wow!
Interestingly enough our most special MAJOR aspect is at the same time from the novile family and even a DW with also most exact in 9th;
- My Uranus trine (tri-novile) his Moon (0'04)- His Uranus novile my Moon (0'01)
(although I consider our DW exact Sun/Neptune quincunx as the most special with a compo opp. of minutes)
It's interesting that he puts those noviles so on a pedestal: similar like trines and sextiles, healing, nurturing, supporting, integrating.
Well in fact, it can't be any better in that case with Moon/Uranus ;D (both need a lot of space)
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Back to the opposing phases;
this is what we also have,
MeSun/Uranus WANING sextile (3)
himSun/Uranus WAXING trine (4)
^ to cross-work;Sun/Uranus 160 deg <1 (novile fam.)Sun/Uranus 140 deg <1 (you might also call it one from the novile family if we consider the semi-novile with 20 deg an aspect)
(becomes Sun/Uranus quincunx in compo)
^ I think it's just a different/opposing way of dealing with the needed space. A way that doesn't bore. Keep things alive, as with any opopsing phase.
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I almost start to think there's a correlation between my discovered opposing phases and the 9th harmonic (20, 40, 80, 100, 140, 160 degrees) realm~! I'll find that out one day.
@ no, ^ can't be the case.
quote:"All your examples have exact natal aspects, are you sure you have traced ALL opposing phases in your synastry, also the more hidden ones without such natal aspects? "I am not sure I understand what you mean?How do I find the hidden ones?
Well, not exactly a hidden one buteuh.. a BEAUTY at a glance~!
(not to forget Moon/Juno)
Moon/IC;
Your pMoon 20'35 LeoYour pIC 17'42 Taurus
His pMoon 5'57 TaurusHis pIC 1'39 Leo
^ the signs don't even matter here but the fact that these are opposing, so: simply FITTING, phases DOES.
And I would call these EXACT opposing phases.
- His pMoon in a 4 deg applying WANING square to his IC.- Your pMoon in a 3 deg applying WAXING square to your IC.
Opposing phases are really like moths to a flame, no doubt about it.
To make it a bit understandable with the basics;A natal Sun/Moon conjunction (or: NEW MOON) is magnetically attracted to a natal Sun/Moon opposition (or: FULL MOON).
This ^ is the case for any pair of planets in that outfit (Venus/Mars or Moon/IC or Mars/Moon orrrr name it~!)
[note: I talk about "globals" here, I am not looking for literally exact opposing phases / after all: it's all about certain phase energies that simply resonate]
If those Full Mooners and New Mooners are so attracted then ofcourse there are many 'opposing phases' along the wheel, like the natal waxing square to the natal waning square OR the natal waxing semi-sextiles to natal waning quincunx etc. In the progressions ofcourse, these phases would become at the same time a New Moon and a Full Moon or: a "new Venus" and a "Full Venus" (similar like the lunar phase).
To be honest, without visualizing the Lunar Phase wheel I'm sure I wouldn't get a thing either from all I'm saying here ;D
Okay guys, if there are questions let me know~!
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