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T O P I C R E V I E WCeridwenI looked at my ASC-Persona and DESC-Persona for the first time, and i was simply blown away! [/URL] [/URL]not only is my name asteroid EXACT on the ASC of my ASC-Persona, but also my ASC-Persona and DESC-Persona have an exact ASC-DESC-interchange (which is just a coincidence, it does not happen in all cases). Plus my natal Moon is on that axis as well!ASC-Persona ASC 17°52 LeoASC-Persona Kerstin 17°12 LeoDESC-Persona ASC 17°00 AquaDESC-Persona Spirit 16°26 Aquanatal Moon 17°06 AquaCeridwenYou know what is funny? Mr Law`s Persona chart is. ASC-Persona [/URL]DESC Persona [/URL]° my name in his ASC-Persona exactly conjunct my natal Moon° his ASC-Persona SPIRIT exact on my natal ASC° his ASC-Persona Sun exact on my Neptune-NN (of course it simply means his ASC conjuncts them )° his DESC-Persona Moon exact on my name asteroid in my natal chart (and falling into 7th house for him)° his DESC-Persona Spirit opposite my natal name° his DESC-Persona NN conjunct my n Venus-Isis-Osiris (on his natal Sun exact)° my name in his DESC-Persona conjunct my n Moon again, though this time in 4th house° his DESC-Prsona Vertex conjunct my n DESC and opp. my Mars° his DESC-Persona Sun-DNA conjunct my natal SN exact (we`ve been this road before?)I thought this was pretty mindblowing, maybe if we ever had contact with each other, he would pretty much see me like I am? At least in terms of my lunar personality?BTW his name in my ASC-Persona exact conjuncts ASC-Persona Moon on 24 Libra in 3rd house, widely conjunct Venus-Destinn. Additionally his name in my natal falls onto my ASC-Persona ASC-my name. That ASC-Persona Moon-his name also is conjunct his natal Moon by 3 degreesmy ASC Persona VX on his natal Sun (on my natal Venus-Isis-Osiris-Spirit-Guinevere exact opp. his n Lancelot )in my DESC-Persona his name EXACT falls onto the DESC on 17 Leo, op. my n MoonBTW my name in his chart is on 29°40 Sagittarius, I wonder why I was thinking of checking this particular chart just NOW, a day before 20th june. BTW my name in his natal chart falls onto his NN in his ASC-Persona (which is on the same degree as composite NN coincidentally)Anyway that was just a fun-check, so no need to comment on that. lol I am interested though if important people you feel close to, will have natal identity-objects, like Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, maybe name asteroids, or something like Karma, nodal axis, Spirit, Aura, DNA etc. conjunct your Persona charts. Curiously it seems that I am written into Mr Law`s chart quite strongly, which I am sure is a simple coincidence, but this axis on the mid Leo-Aqua really got my attention in my own Persona charts, and coincidentally he fell into there (though Mr Sags wife falls into there as well, as Mr Law`s and her name are conjunct or was it opposite? in my chart)VixenYay, persona charts! My favourite subject! Incredible findings, Ceri Hmm...I'm also pretty curious about MrSag I will soon check my Persona charts, compare them to the charts of people who are important to me and inform you, when I find something interesting Btw, I'm not into celebrity astrology but I couldn't help but notice how is his attractiveness showing in his ASC persona. That Venus-Mars-Uranus t-square! CeridwenWell, I occasionally check Mr Law`s chart, cause there seems to always be some unexpected result. And since I am going to see him again next year (on stage of course, well he is going to be on stage, I won`t). As for Mr Sag, well not that strongly written in there I guess, or maybe more to his ASC-Persona?his ASC-Persona with my natal [/URL]his dESC - Persona with my natal [/URL]EnnelineCEEERI I will take part in your project right away, could you help me to solve the riddle of that Player in my thread?Ennelineand WOW Ceri on your discovery you are just a great astrologer EnnelineOkay, I looked:First i need to add that neither my name nor the name of my past lovers are accurately to be found in that asteroid list, so i chose the most similar name.Asc persona:- wow, all names except 2 incl my name would fall in my 10 house. The one i am seeing and strangely i feel attracted to other guys with that name has his name asteroid conjunct my ICThe one i had been madly in love with and who rejected me, has his name in my 8h house that is ruled by piscesdesc persona:- all names are now in my 4th house. Wow-- the one i was mad about has his name asteroid conjunct my sun- the one i am seeing has now his name asteroid on my ascendantWOW, Ceri. Wow! CeridwenWow that is quite amazing. Seems namens are bekommen angular?CeridwenThough while for Mr law and me this Seems to be the case I noticed an emphasis on fixen house with Mr sagOh and thanks for the compliment Enneline quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Wow that is quite amazing. Seems namens are bekommen angular?yes, absolutely.I have been involved with quite some Marks and Markus and Marcos and the similar names would all fall in the 10h of my asc persona and fall in my 4h of my des persona. Isn't that amazing? Also, the guy i am seeing right now: my name asteroid conjuncts his vertex in his asc persona and conjunct his desc in his desc persona Enneline quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Though while for Mr law and me this Seems to be the case I noticed an emphasis on fixen house with Mr sagOh and thanks for the compliment fixed houses? Oh....maybe the 2 of you are "fixiert" VixenCeri, when it comes to your natal-his ASC comparison, I love that ASC of his ASC persona is on your Sun-Merc. Do you look alike? Another aspect I like is your Juno on his ASCp Moon and ASCp Psyche on your IC.I see your Ceres is on his ASCp Mercury. Does his voice awake motherly feelings in you? An with your Valentine on his ASCp Uranus... do you love when he acts spontaneous? And his ASCp Valentine on your NN-Neptune is wow... but it would be even better if it was Valentine of Venus or Amor persona instead of ASC persona.And those are the aspects between your natal and his DSCp that caught my attention:your Moira on his pASC-Mars your ASC-Neptune-NN on his pValentine holy sh*t! your Venus on his pMoon your Moon on his Moira wow...your Neptune-NN trine his pVenusyour Psyche trine his pEros How wide orbs we should use when doing Persona-Persona or Persona-Natal coparison? Would antiscia-contrascia count?I'm thinking about making a thread about NN persona charts, because sh*t I've found in them is breathtaking. For example, when I was observing NN Persona of both me and Taurus and plugged in asteroid with number 111214 (the day we first met). We both have on 9th degree of Scorpio! Now that's creepy And Sabian is "A fellowship reunites old comrades". VERY interesting... on sabiansymbols.com I found this about that sabian: "Often with this degree, issues around food come up, whether it’s providing food and drink or sharing it with others." Which I find funny because I was sharing food with him that day! Plus in my Venus Persona, 111214 is conjunct Venus and Moon VixenI've looked up names of my loves in my ASC and DSC Persona and those are what I found:In ASC Persona:Name of LeoGuy and GeminiGuy conjunct each other and opposite CupidoName of LeoGuy antiscia SunName of first love conjunct NN, antiscia Psyche woah!Nickname of first love trine VestaWith Personas of angles the problem is that you MUST know EXACT birthtime. And I don't know if I was born on 17:25 or 17:27. But either way, names of Leo and Gemini would be on angles In DSC-Mars (i have conjunction in natal) persona:LeoGuy's name conjunct Amor, trine Chiron (and conjunct my natal SN) GeminiGuy's name square MoonFirst love's name conjunct Moon *shivers*I've also looked up those names in Personas of other important objects:Moon Persona:First love's name square Sun-Psyche, trine MCFirst love's nickname trine MarsLeo's name square CupidoGemini's name trine AphroditeVenus Persona:First love's name conjunct Venus-Moon , sextile MCFirst love's nickname trine PsycheLeo's name opposite Mars-CupidoGemini's name conjunct Uranus (ruler of that chart)NN PersonaFirst love's name and nickname conjunct MCGemini's and Leo's name conjunct each other again and opposite CupidoEros persona:Leo's name conjunct DSC, trine ErosValentine PersonaFirst Love's nickname conjunct Venus-ASCLeo's name trine SunGemini's name conjunct Neptune and UranusAmor Persona:First love's nickname conjunct DSCLeo's name makes t-square with Uranus and AphroditeWhen it comes to my current love, I wasn't able to find any proper name asteroid, not even English version of his name. Only asteroid that I COULD use as his name is one that is named after the village and in possessive form. FaithNever looked at a persona chart before... My (rectified) ASC persona chart has my name on the MC. Sun conjunct Saturn in the 8th. DSC persona has Pluto on the DSC (figures!) with the moon exactly on the MC @ 6 Cap, conjunct 2 Cap Venus.Unfortunately there is no name asteroid for my husband.ElysiaUmm.. Dumb question to ask, I suppose..But what does the Asc persona chart signify exactly?A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'? Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Enneline: yes, absolutely.I have been involved with quite some Marks and Markus and Marcos and the similar names would all fall in the 10h of my asc persona and fall in my 4h of my des persona. Isn't that amazing? Also, the guy i am seeing right now: my name asteroid conjuncts his vertex in his asc persona and conjunct his desc in his desc persona LOL Mr Lancelot`s name is Mark, it`s his concert tomorrow, if I ever going to make it there, that is. :sighs:natally "Marc" is in my 5th house conjunct my asteroid Actor, Eros/Psyche-mp and Part of Marriage. I don´t wanna talk about it. in my ASC Persona Marc is conjunct Pluto and square Eros-Valentine-Vertex in 5th house exactin my DESC Persona Marc is in Cancer in 5th house opposing my natal Venusand in my MARC-Persona MARC is conjunct Venus in Gemini in 7th house. lolbtw my natal Marc is conjunct Mr Sag`s Chiron exactly. lol(yeah I got the impression he does not quite like it if I show too much of an interest in him, but d`oh, he`s gotta come to terms with that. After all he`s the one getting married, I am free to look at whatever gentleman pleases my eyes. )as for you and your suitor, it seems you bring a lot of change and feelings of fated turning point to him. Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Elysia:A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'? Exactly.Vixen quote:Originally posted by Elysia:Umm.. Dumb question to ask, I suppose..But what does the Asc persona chart signify exactly?A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'? Yup, it should give you more info on first impression you make, how do you act, your appearance...If you have for example Mars square Pluto in Ascendant persona, you may come off as angry person and have bit**y resting face syndrome. Or if you have Venus conjunct Neptune there, you may posses ethereal beauty.I have Venus trine Saturn there and I have nice bone structure ElysiaThanks, Vixen & Ceri.. Me shall go check.. ETA: Cool stuff. Although I like my MC persona more. CeridwenVixen,I had written a long reply to you, but the screen froze and it got lost. Will get back to it eventually, but might take some time. Maybe even not today.CeridwenHow funny my ASC-Persona has a Leo - ASC. lolchartruler Sun exact conjunct Mercury in 4th house - seems to show my interest in communication especially at homeDESC-ruler Uranus right on the cusp of IC square SAturn in 12th (And trine Amor in 7th)-relationships might come as a surprise and encounters with others might hit me really deep (at the IC), and possibly restructuring my home completely, while they are being in conflict with my issues about security and a loner-attitude, as SAturn in 12th signfies (as ruler fo 6th house - possibly a recipe for depression or retreat, which would be shaken up by other people, representing Uranus on IC - interstingly my Mom`s Sun is on my IC-Uranus and she`s been always going on about how I should go out more often. )Moon conjunct Venus in Libra in 3rd house, loosely trine Mars in 11th and esp. Moon opposite Chiron in 9th - I guess I am more or less a softie on the inside, however my feminity also seems to be connected to some core issues and wounds that needs to be addressed and healed properlyin 5th house there is Vertex conjunct Valentine and Eros, though also square Pluto in 3rd.CeridwenALSO check how DNA is placed in the personas indicating a possible partner (like Venus for a man, or DESC, Juno, ruler of DESC-personas).Is it conjunct your name in their or your chart?Is it conjunct your Sun, Moon, Venus (when you are a woman), NN, Karma, ASC, MC/IC or ruler of ASC? ARE you in very physical/ genetic terms what their partnerprofile suggests? (in terms of Karma or nodal axis it might be that you evolve into that direction, but aren`t yet completely fitting the bill).CeridwenIn terms how Mr Sag fits my bill:my DESC-Persona----------------DNA in 8th conjuncts his Spirit exactmy Mercury-Persona (DESC-ruler)-------------------------------DNA in 7th conjuncts his Sun-Moon-MC exactmy Mars-Persona-------------------DNA in 3rd widely conjunct his DNA(opp his name in Mars-Persona exact)my Venus-Persona, my Eros-Persona, my Patrick-Persona----------------------------------------------DNA is very close on each of them despite Venus, Eros and Patrick being on different degrees natally (6 Cap, 21 Cancer, 13 Cap)23.28 LIbra23.39 Libra25.39 LIbranow, no he doesn`t have anything on that degree, however his DRACO ASC: 24°15 Libra
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not only is my name asteroid EXACT on the ASC of my ASC-Persona, but also my ASC-Persona and DESC-Persona have an exact ASC-DESC-interchange (which is just a coincidence, it does not happen in all cases).
Plus my natal Moon is on that axis as well!
ASC-Persona ASC 17°52 LeoASC-Persona Kerstin 17°12 Leo
DESC-Persona ASC 17°00 AquaDESC-Persona Spirit 16°26 Aqua
natal Moon 17°06 Aqua
ASC-Persona [/URL]
DESC Persona [/URL]
° my name in his ASC-Persona exactly conjunct my natal Moon
° his ASC-Persona SPIRIT exact on my natal ASC
° his ASC-Persona Sun exact on my Neptune-NN (of course it simply means his ASC conjuncts them )
° his DESC-Persona Moon exact on my name asteroid in my natal chart (and falling into 7th house for him)
° his DESC-Persona Spirit opposite my natal name
° his DESC-Persona NN conjunct my n Venus-Isis-Osiris (on his natal Sun exact)
° my name in his DESC-Persona conjunct my n Moon again, though this time in 4th house
° his DESC-Prsona Vertex conjunct my n DESC and opp. my Mars
° his DESC-Persona Sun-DNA conjunct my natal SN exact (we`ve been this road before?)
I thought this was pretty mindblowing, maybe if we ever had contact with each other, he would pretty much see me like I am? At least in terms of my lunar personality?
BTW his name in my ASC-Persona exact conjuncts ASC-Persona Moon on 24 Libra in 3rd house, widely conjunct Venus-Destinn.
Additionally his name in my natal falls onto my ASC-Persona ASC-my name.
That ASC-Persona Moon-his name also is conjunct his natal Moon by 3 degrees
my ASC Persona VX on his natal Sun (on my natal Venus-Isis-Osiris-Spirit-Guinevere exact opp. his n Lancelot )
in my DESC-Persona his name EXACT falls onto the DESC on 17 Leo, op. my n Moon
BTW my name in his chart is on 29°40 Sagittarius, I wonder why I was thinking of checking this particular chart just NOW, a day before 20th june.
BTW my name in his natal chart falls onto his NN in his ASC-Persona (which is on the same degree as composite NN coincidentally)
Anyway that was just a fun-check, so no need to comment on that. lol
I am interested though if important people you feel close to, will have natal identity-objects, like Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, maybe name asteroids, or something like Karma, nodal axis, Spirit, Aura, DNA etc. conjunct your Persona charts.
Curiously it seems that I am written into Mr Law`s chart quite strongly, which I am sure is a simple coincidence, but this axis on the mid Leo-Aqua really got my attention in my own Persona charts, and coincidentally he fell into there (though Mr Sags wife falls into there as well, as Mr Law`s and her name are conjunct or was it opposite? in my chart)
Btw, I'm not into celebrity astrology but I couldn't help but notice how is his attractiveness showing in his ASC persona. That Venus-Mars-Uranus t-square!
As for Mr Sag, well not that strongly written in there I guess, or maybe more to his ASC-Persona?
his ASC-Persona with my natal
his dESC - Persona with my natal
First i need to add that neither my name nor the name of my past lovers are accurately to be found in that asteroid list, so i chose the most similar name.
Asc persona:- wow, all names except 2 incl my name would fall in my 10 house. The one i am seeing and strangely i feel attracted to other guys with that name has his name asteroid conjunct my ICThe one i had been madly in love with and who rejected me, has his name in my 8h house that is ruled by pisces
desc persona:- all names are now in my 4th house. Wow-- the one i was mad about has his name asteroid conjunct my sun- the one i am seeing has now his name asteroid on my ascendant
WOW, Ceri. Wow!
Oh and thanks for the compliment
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Wow that is quite amazing. Seems namens are bekommen angular?
yes, absolutely.
I have been involved with quite some Marks and Markus and Marcos and the similar names would all fall in the 10h of my asc persona and fall in my 4h of my des persona. Isn't that amazing?
Also, the guy i am seeing right now: my name asteroid conjuncts his vertex in his asc persona and conjunct his desc in his desc persona
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Though while for Mr law and me this Seems to be the case I noticed an emphasis on fixen house with Mr sagOh and thanks for the compliment
fixed houses? Oh....maybe the 2 of you are "fixiert"
And those are the aspects between your natal and his DSCp that caught my attention:your Moira on his pASC-Mars your ASC-Neptune-NN on his pValentine holy sh*t! your Venus on his pMoon your Moon on his Moira wow...your Neptune-NN trine his pVenusyour Psyche trine his pEros
How wide orbs we should use when doing Persona-Persona or Persona-Natal coparison? Would antiscia-contrascia count?
I'm thinking about making a thread about NN persona charts, because sh*t I've found in them is breathtaking. For example, when I was observing NN Persona of both me and Taurus and plugged in asteroid with number 111214 (the day we first met). We both have on 9th degree of Scorpio! Now that's creepy And Sabian is "A fellowship reunites old comrades". VERY interesting... on sabiansymbols.com I found this about that sabian: "Often with this degree, issues around food come up, whether it’s providing food and drink or sharing it with others." Which I find funny because I was sharing food with him that day! Plus in my Venus Persona, 111214 is conjunct Venus and Moon
In ASC Persona:Name of LeoGuy and GeminiGuy conjunct each other and opposite CupidoName of LeoGuy antiscia SunName of first love conjunct NN, antiscia Psyche woah!Nickname of first love trine Vesta
With Personas of angles the problem is that you MUST know EXACT birthtime. And I don't know if I was born on 17:25 or 17:27. But either way, names of Leo and Gemini would be on angles
In DSC-Mars (i have conjunction in natal) persona:LeoGuy's name conjunct Amor, trine Chiron (and conjunct my natal SN) GeminiGuy's name square MoonFirst love's name conjunct Moon *shivers*
I've also looked up those names in Personas of other important objects:
Moon Persona:First love's name square Sun-Psyche, trine MCFirst love's nickname trine MarsLeo's name square CupidoGemini's name trine Aphrodite
Venus Persona:First love's name conjunct Venus-Moon , sextile MCFirst love's nickname trine PsycheLeo's name opposite Mars-CupidoGemini's name conjunct Uranus (ruler of that chart)
NN PersonaFirst love's name and nickname conjunct MCGemini's and Leo's name conjunct each other again and opposite Cupido
Eros persona:Leo's name conjunct DSC, trine Eros
Valentine PersonaFirst Love's nickname conjunct Venus-ASCLeo's name trine SunGemini's name conjunct Neptune and Uranus
Amor Persona:First love's nickname conjunct DSCLeo's name makes t-square with Uranus and Aphrodite
When it comes to my current love, I wasn't able to find any proper name asteroid, not even English version of his name. Only asteroid that I COULD use as his name is one that is named after the village and in possessive form.
My (rectified) ASC persona chart has my name on the MC. Sun conjunct Saturn in the 8th.
DSC persona has Pluto on the DSC (figures!) with the moon exactly on the MC @ 6 Cap, conjunct 2 Cap Venus.
Unfortunately there is no name asteroid for my husband.
A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'?
quote:Originally posted by Enneline: yes, absolutely.I have been involved with quite some Marks and Markus and Marcos and the similar names would all fall in the 10h of my asc persona and fall in my 4h of my des persona. Isn't that amazing? Also, the guy i am seeing right now: my name asteroid conjuncts his vertex in his asc persona and conjunct his desc in his desc persona
LOL Mr Lancelot`s name is Mark, it`s his concert tomorrow, if I ever going to make it there, that is. :sighs:
natally "Marc" is in my 5th house conjunct my asteroid Actor, Eros/Psyche-mp and Part of Marriage. I don´t wanna talk about it.
in my ASC Persona Marc is conjunct Pluto and square Eros-Valentine-Vertex in 5th house exact
in my DESC Persona Marc is in Cancer in 5th house opposing my natal Venus
and in my MARC-Persona MARC is conjunct Venus in Gemini in 7th house. lol
btw my natal Marc is conjunct Mr Sag`s Chiron exactly. lol(yeah I got the impression he does not quite like it if I show too much of an interest in him, but d`oh, he`s gotta come to terms with that. After all he`s the one getting married, I am free to look at whatever gentleman pleases my eyes. )
as for you and your suitor, it seems you bring a lot of change and feelings of fated turning point to him.
quote:Originally posted by Elysia:A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'?
Exactly.
quote:Originally posted by Elysia:Umm.. Dumb question to ask, I suppose..But what does the Asc persona chart signify exactly?A full-blown, minute look at our Ascendant 'personality'?
Yup, it should give you more info on first impression you make, how do you act, your appearance...If you have for example Mars square Pluto in Ascendant persona, you may come off as angry person and have bit**y resting face syndrome. Or if you have Venus conjunct Neptune there, you may posses ethereal beauty.I have Venus trine Saturn there and I have nice bone structure
Me shall go check..
ETA: Cool stuff.
Although I like my MC persona more.
I had written a long reply to you, but the screen froze and it got lost. Will get back to it eventually, but might take some time. Maybe even not today.
chartruler Sun exact conjunct Mercury in 4th house - seems to show my interest in communication especially at home
DESC-ruler Uranus right on the cusp of IC square SAturn in 12th (And trine Amor in 7th)-relationships might come as a surprise and encounters with others might hit me really deep (at the IC), and possibly restructuring my home completely, while they are being in conflict with my issues about security and a loner-attitude, as SAturn in 12th signfies (as ruler fo 6th house - possibly a recipe for depression or retreat, which would be shaken up by other people, representing Uranus on IC - interstingly my Mom`s Sun is on my IC-Uranus and she`s been always going on about how I should go out more often. )
Moon conjunct Venus in Libra in 3rd house, loosely trine Mars in 11th and esp. Moon opposite Chiron in 9th - I guess I am more or less a softie on the inside, however my feminity also seems to be connected to some core issues and wounds that needs to be addressed and healed properly
in 5th house there is Vertex conjunct Valentine and Eros, though also square Pluto in 3rd.
Is it conjunct your name in their or your chart?Is it conjunct your Sun, Moon, Venus (when you are a woman), NN, Karma, ASC, MC/IC or ruler of ASC?
ARE you in very physical/ genetic terms what their partnerprofile suggests? (in terms of Karma or nodal axis it might be that you evolve into that direction, but aren`t yet completely fitting the bill).
my DESC-Persona----------------DNA in 8th conjuncts his Spirit exact
my Mercury-Persona (DESC-ruler)-------------------------------DNA in 7th conjuncts his Sun-Moon-MC exact
my Mars-Persona-------------------DNA in 3rd widely conjunct his DNA(opp his name in Mars-Persona exact)
my Venus-Persona, my Eros-Persona, my Patrick-Persona----------------------------------------------DNA is very close on each of them despite Venus, Eros and Patrick being on different degrees natally (6 Cap, 21 Cancer, 13 Cap)
23.28 LIbra23.39 Libra25.39 LIbra
now, no he doesn`t have anything on that degree, however his DRACO ASC: 24°15 Libra
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