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T O P I C R E V I E WVoix_de_la_MerHi Folks,I am analysing composite 12H Saturn opp. 6H Sun in my relationship, and seeking some insight from those more experienced in composites than I?From what I can gather, 12H Saturn can indicate an undefinable feeling of restriction. Restriction that cannot be pinned down to any one person, event or behaviours, as per the nature of the 12th.As well as difficulties in expressing commitment, even though it may actually be there.We are both Aqua Suns and Mercuries, so perhaps initially not discussing commitment would have been quite comfortable for us. HOWEVER, we bonded almost immediately and decided to be together monogamously within a couple of months. VERY unusual for our Suns and with Capricorn Venuses no less.What I am thinking is that the opposition to the 6H Sun may actually be a saving grace here. Like the Sun is drawing out the Saturn from the fog of the 12H, or shining a light into the darkness of the 12th, showing us our Saturn potential?That it may be a link to the sense of commitment that may otherwise have been dissolved by the 12th house.Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn.Sometimes the relationship itself feels like a project or a quest of self-knowledge through the mirror of the other.However it is a highly creative relationship with he and I being the founding members and engine of our band.I have read that Saturn in the 12H can doom a relationship, but this could not be further from the truth SO FAR (5 years) in this case.Does anyone have any thoughts on this configuration?FaithI have this natally, 6H Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Leo Saturn. If you consider Saturn as co-ruler of Aquarius, you two have a bit of mutual reception there, too? I'm no expert but maybe if I talk about my own aspect, it will obliquely shed a light on yours?In my life, I feel that my highest goals combine the spiritual and practical, the 12H and 6H. So, for instance, I thought of studying art, but that wasn't practical enough for me. I wanted to do gardening instead, because to me, gardens are beautiful (spiritual) and practical (growing food.)I say things to my husband like, "That is so functionally beautiful!" talking about a particular tool that is both visually appealing AND highly effective. 12H/6H balance.I would imagine that the music you create with your partner is healing in some way (functionally beautiful ). The 6H wants healing, and 12H Saturn kind of solidifies that which is ethereal, into usable "material" to work with, like the right notes for a song.The problem is, Saturn is chronically uncomfortable, just by nature...and in the 12H, Saturn is annoyed that it can never QUITE get to the heart of its surroundings (because Saturn and Neptune are so diametrically opposed.)So with 12H Saturn in composite, maybe there is a sense of, we need to carry this further and further, we aren't there yet, we need to keep going....And it could prolong the relationship if it's aspected right, and keep it interesting, but also be a little exhausting?Yet the 6H sun is perfectly happy having something to work on, something to find solutions for, so 12H Saturn "feeds" the sun and can drive it, inform it, develop its psychic reflexes. As you said, "Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn." It's cute how you talk about your partner. YanmorgAnything 12th house related spells trouble from my experience.1. I had a 6-month "therapy session" (it was a really just s self-destructive relationship) with someone and we had a 12th house stellium in Capricorn (Sun, mercury, Venus, Mars)2. I dated someone briefly where we had Saturn in the 12th square moon.The 1st guy was hell. I was ashamed of actually telling people we were dating. I was ashamed at myself for even being associated with him after awhile. Of course things didn't start out that way, but we had tight Venus/ Mercury Neptune/ Uranus squares in synastry so I saw what I wanted to see in the beginning. Anyway, it was obvious we had some major Karma to sort out and I couldn't make a break for it until it was cleared. He was a total weirdo who never had any type of experience with a woman at 30 years old. He was very emotionally disturbed and very unintelligent. He was the worst of the worst. He was very manipulative and his immaturity was annoying and suffocating. He spent a good amount of time in prison too which is one of the representations of the 12th house. I had some serious anger issues to work out at the time and he eventually became my punching bag. I had no respect for him and he had no respect for me, but we kept at it until I broke it off one day. I ran for the hills. He showed up at my job with a picture of me on his shirt trying to win me over. It was the worst relationship ever. He had a serious sexual problem too that I won't go into but our sex life was basically nonexistent. It felt like couple's therapy. We were rarely ever affection with each other too. I'd say after about 3 months, just looking at him disgusted me. Worst decision I ever made in my life. I hope this example gives you a better idea of the 12th house. Not necessarily Saturn in the 12th, but our stellium was in Capricorn in the 12th.As for guy number 2, very different scenario. I probably would be helplessly in love by now if he didn't make a run for it. This guy had his own Capricorn stellium in the 12th house natally along with a Capricorn Ascendant. He was ALL Capricorn down to his Uranus and Neptune. He pursued me effortlessly for months until I decided to see him. We talked for a few months until my emotions got involved. I displayed a little "crazy" and he ran for it. I didn't hear from him until months later and it was only a "Hey" message on Facebook. He wasn't weird or emotionally disturbed. He was very dutiful to his family and worked really hard. In our composite, we had Saturn in the 12th square moon though so I guess it just shows confusion on how and why the relationship ended. I'm still confused until this day. I know why he ran from me, but I don't understand his actions afterwards. A big ball of confusion. I'm actually glad it was short and to the point. I cried for a day then got over it.As far as the 6th house Sun.. Well I have a 6th house stellium natally and I was involved with someone where we had a 6th house stellium in composite. This house is hard to pinpoint in terms of description. Natally, it makes me obsessed with routine, work, organization, health, etc. In our composite, the guy had a lot of sexual issues as well as physical issues related to an accident he was in. So I'm guessing a 6th house Sun in composite would put a clear focus on anything 6yh house related. If badly aspected, be prepared for a lot of health issues. Lucia23What's the synastry like?Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by Faith:I have this natally, 6H Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Leo Saturn. If you consider Saturn as co-ruler of Aquarius, you two have a bit of mutual reception there, too? I'm no expert but maybe if I talk about my own aspect, it will obliquely shed a light on yours?In my life, I feel that my highest goals combine the spiritual and practical, the 12H and 6H. So, for instance, I thought of studying art, but that wasn't practical enough for me. I wanted to do gardening instead, because to me, gardens are beautiful (spiritual) and practical (growing food.)I say things to my husband like, "That is so functionally beautiful!" talking about a particular tool that is both visually appealing AND highly effective. 12H/6H balance.I would imagine that the music you create with your partner is healing in some way (functionally beautiful ). The 6H wants healing, and 12H Saturn kind of solidifies that which is ethereal, into usable "material" to work with, like the right notes for a song.The problem is, Saturn is chronically uncomfortable, just by nature...and in the 12H, Saturn is annoyed that it can never QUITE get to the heart of its surroundings (because Saturn and Neptune are so diametrically opposed.)So with 12H Saturn in composite, maybe there is a sense of, we need to carry this further and further, we aren't there yet, we need to keep going....And it could prolong the relationship if it's aspected right, and keep it interesting, but also be a little exhausting?Yet the 6H sun is perfectly happy having something to work on, something to find solutions for, so 12H Saturn "feeds" the sun and can drive it, inform it, develop its psychic reflexes. As you said, "Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn." It's cute how you talk about your partner. Faith,you hit the nail on the head with "functionally beautiful" (love that phrase btw) in reference to the music.It is indeed healing, at least for us.I am the main writer/composer at the moment, and I manage many of my emotions and conflicts through the songs I write.For us as a couple, by consequence this serves two purposes:1. I can understand how I am feeling through music, and make peace with issues I know are personal to me, that may initially look like a relationship issues, and so can avoid the pitfall of making my partner feel responsible for these2. It is a communication with him in a way that is less confrontational. Sometimes he will ask me of the origin of a song, what its inspiration was, and this can open up discussion in a non-confrontational way on difficult issues.We don't solely use music this way, our communication is of a high standard anyway, but I can go overboard with the "fixing" and my many theories behind why it needs done (Virgo Moon) and he can end up feeling confused and lost and while wanting the same thing as me, can't quite feel his way through what I am saying when I am so activated (Pisces Moon). So in these circumstances is is a brilliant communication support. He understands the abstract emotion in music virtually by osmosis and so can hear me this way.Haha, it is cute?? Have never thought of myself as cute in any way - how pleasant to consider this!Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by Yanmorg:Anything 12th house related spells trouble from my experience.1. I had a 6-month "therapy session" (it was a really just s self-destructive relationship) with someone and we had a 12th house stellium in Capricorn (Sun, mercury, Venus, Mars)2. I dated someone briefly where we had Saturn in the 12th square moon.The 1st guy was hell. I was ashamed of actually telling people we were dating. I was ashamed at myself for even being associated with him after awhile. Of course things didn't start out that way, but we had tight Venus/ Mercury Neptune/ Uranus squares in synastry so I saw what I wanted to see in the beginning. Anyway, it was obvious we had some major Karma to sort out and I couldn't make a break for it until it was cleared. He was a total weirdo who never had any type of experience with a woman at 30 years old. He was very emotionally disturbed and very unintelligent. He was the worst of the worst. He was very manipulative and his immaturity was annoying and suffocating. He spent a good amount of time in prison too which is one of the representations of the 12th house. I had some serious anger issues to work out at the time and he eventually became my punching bag. I had no respect for him and he had no respect for me, but we kept at it until I broke it off one day. I ran for the hills. He showed up at my job with a picture of me on his shirt trying to win me over. It was the worst relationship ever. He had a serious sexual problem too that I won't go into but our sex life was basically nonexistent. It felt like couple's therapy. We were rarely ever affection with each other too. I'd say after about 3 months, just looking at him disgusted me. Worst decision I ever made in my life. I hope this example gives you a better idea of the 12th house. Not necessarily Saturn in the 12th, but our stellium was in Capricorn in the 12th.As for guy number 2, very different scenario. I probably would be helplessly in love by now if he didn't make a run for it. This guy had his own Capricorn stellium in the 12th house natally along with a Capricorn Ascendant. He was ALL Capricorn down to his Uranus and Neptune. He pursued me effortlessly for months until I decided to see him. We talked for a few months until my emotions got involved. I displayed a little "crazy" and he ran for it. I didn't hear from him until months later and it was only a "Hey" message on Facebook. He wasn't weird or emotionally disturbed. He was very dutiful to his family and worked really hard. In our composite, we had Saturn in the 12th square moon though so I guess it just shows confusion on how and why the relationship ended. I'm still confused until this day. I know why he ran from me, but I don't understand his actions afterwards. A big ball of confusion. I'm actually glad it was short and to the point. I cried for a day then got over it.As far as the 6th house Sun.. Well I have a 6th house stellium natally and I was involved with someone where we had a 6th house stellium in composite. This house is hard to pinpoint in terms of description. Natally, it makes me obsessed with routine, work, organization, health, etc. In our composite, the guy had a lot of sexual issues as well as physical issues related to an accident he was in. So I'm guessing a 6th house Sun in composite would put a clear focus on anything 6yh house related. If badly aspected, be prepared for a lot of health issues. Yanmorg,I'm sorry your experiences were so negative.I think the 12th house has massive potential, however from what you have said, it seems that heavy 12th house activation, such as a stellium can be too much to handle.Thank for sharing the dangers of the 12th house, this is necessary for a full understanding of the pitfalls.And you have highlighted that natal familiarity with this house is also important, for good or ill. I guess the message is there must be a balance across charts in the ability and familiarity with issues raised by this house.Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by Lucia23:What's the synastry like?I'm not sure what we are looking for in the synastry, although the following may aid managing this configuration -----I have Mars and Saturn in 12th, trine his 11H Saturn.---His 12H ruler is Mercury, conjunct my Sun and trine my 12H Saturn.Our Mercuries are both Aquarius, so there is an understanding there.---My 12H ruler is Venus, we have a little cluster of planets involving it, around our angles:My Venus/Mercury/IC cj. his Jupiter/Venus/DC--- This cluster is squared by my 12H Saturn/MarsHere is the synastry bi-wheel: CeridwenI think it depends on the aspects, mainly, and how people deal with 12th house stuff individually. Here an example [/URL] [/URL]been together for over 10 years, moved in together after 5 or 6 years, recently moved into a house (but rented), and expecting their first baby. Both are well received by each other`s families and friends , no secrets, no cheating.EDITThey donīt have Saturn in 12th house though, but still quite an active 12th house for both of them. Voix_de_la_MerCeridwen,I see they both have 12H Suns, amongst other planets, but that composite 12H and in Pisces no less! Although I guess it is like a reflection of their natal Pisces placements - they may already have developed the skills as individuals to navigate the 12H?I suppose I have direct knowledge RE Saturn in 12H due to my natal, my partner doesn't though, unless we include by association of his 12H ruler which may learn 12H stuff through my Venus sq. Saturn.CeridwenYes, maybe this is so. However I stumbled across quite some examples of composite Moon in 12thFor exampley my Parents have the Moon in 12th house (Cancer) in composite.my best friend and her husband have the Moon in 12th house (Pisces) square Neptune. my best friend and me have Moon in Pisces in 12th house widely square Neptune. Neither of us has Moon in 12th house (or Pisces) natally, and well, neither of these relationships has proved disastrous, and in fact all of them pretty longlasting so far (my parents 41 years, my best friend and her husband 16 years, and our friendship started approximately 25 or 26 years ago - we often joke that we have been friends longer than most marriages last. lol)Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yes, maybe this is so. However I stumbled across quite some examples of composite Moon in 12thFor exampley my Parents have the Moon in 12th house (Cancer) in composite.my best friend and her husband have the Moon in 12th house (Pisces) square Neptune. my best friend and me have Moon in Pisces in 12th house widely square Neptune. Neither of us has Moon in 12th house (or Pisces) natally, and well, neither of these relationships has proved disastrous, and in fact all of them pretty longlasting so far (my parents 41 years, my best friend and her husband 16 years, and our friendship started approximately 25 or 26 years ago - we often joke that we have been friends longer than most marriages last. lol)That's excellent news!I actually love the concept of the 12H.I recently wrote a journey of songs (our 1st set for when we are gigging) and the last song is kind of like the 12H.It deals with the shrugging off of the body and the release of the spirit, and the new found sight that comes with detaching and letting go of the material.I then describe a scene in which everything dissolves.I love doing this song! I guess I enjoy 12H stuff, maybe my passion for the concepts eases the path for my partner, and I really do believe that we communicate as much through music with each other as verbally, but it is an undefinable language, that leaves *impressions* rather than thoughts. Knowledge that is wordless, but simply just *known*.But I'm veering into airy-fairy now!
I am analysing composite 12H Saturn opp. 6H Sun in my relationship, and seeking some insight from those more experienced in composites than I?
From what I can gather, 12H Saturn can indicate an undefinable feeling of restriction. Restriction that cannot be pinned down to any one person, event or behaviours, as per the nature of the 12th.As well as difficulties in expressing commitment, even though it may actually be there.
We are both Aqua Suns and Mercuries, so perhaps initially not discussing commitment would have been quite comfortable for us. HOWEVER, we bonded almost immediately and decided to be together monogamously within a couple of months. VERY unusual for our Suns and with Capricorn Venuses no less.
What I am thinking is that the opposition to the 6H Sun may actually be a saving grace here. Like the Sun is drawing out the Saturn from the fog of the 12H, or shining a light into the darkness of the 12th, showing us our Saturn potential?That it may be a link to the sense of commitment that may otherwise have been dissolved by the 12th house.
Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn.
Sometimes the relationship itself feels like a project or a quest of self-knowledge through the mirror of the other.However it is a highly creative relationship with he and I being the founding members and engine of our band.
I have read that Saturn in the 12H can doom a relationship, but this could not be further from the truth SO FAR (5 years) in this case.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this configuration?
If you consider Saturn as co-ruler of Aquarius, you two have a bit of mutual reception there, too?
I'm no expert but maybe if I talk about my own aspect, it will obliquely shed a light on yours?
In my life, I feel that my highest goals combine the spiritual and practical, the 12H and 6H. So, for instance, I thought of studying art, but that wasn't practical enough for me. I wanted to do gardening instead, because to me, gardens are beautiful (spiritual) and practical (growing food.)
I say things to my husband like, "That is so functionally beautiful!" talking about a particular tool that is both visually appealing AND highly effective. 12H/6H balance.
I would imagine that the music you create with your partner is healing in some way (functionally beautiful ). The 6H wants healing, and 12H Saturn kind of solidifies that which is ethereal, into usable "material" to work with, like the right notes for a song.
The problem is, Saturn is chronically uncomfortable, just by nature...and in the 12H, Saturn is annoyed that it can never QUITE get to the heart of its surroundings (because Saturn and Neptune are so diametrically opposed.)
So with 12H Saturn in composite, maybe there is a sense of, we need to carry this further and further, we aren't there yet, we need to keep going....And it could prolong the relationship if it's aspected right, and keep it interesting, but also be a little exhausting?
Yet the 6H sun is perfectly happy having something to work on, something to find solutions for, so 12H Saturn "feeds" the sun and can drive it, inform it, develop its psychic reflexes. As you said, "Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn."
It's cute how you talk about your partner.
1. I had a 6-month "therapy session" (it was a really just s self-destructive relationship) with someone and we had a 12th house stellium in Capricorn (Sun, mercury, Venus, Mars)
2. I dated someone briefly where we had Saturn in the 12th square moon.
The 1st guy was hell. I was ashamed of actually telling people we were dating. I was ashamed at myself for even being associated with him after awhile. Of course things didn't start out that way, but we had tight Venus/ Mercury Neptune/ Uranus squares in synastry so I saw what I wanted to see in the beginning. Anyway, it was obvious we had some major Karma to sort out and I couldn't make a break for it until it was cleared. He was a total weirdo who never had any type of experience with a woman at 30 years old. He was very emotionally disturbed and very unintelligent. He was the worst of the worst. He was very manipulative and his immaturity was annoying and suffocating. He spent a good amount of time in prison too which is one of the representations of the 12th house. I had some serious anger issues to work out at the time and he eventually became my punching bag. I had no respect for him and he had no respect for me, but we kept at it until I broke it off one day. I ran for the hills. He showed up at my job with a picture of me on his shirt trying to win me over. It was the worst relationship ever. He had a serious sexual problem too that I won't go into but our sex life was basically nonexistent. It felt like couple's therapy. We were rarely ever affection with each other too. I'd say after about 3 months, just looking at him disgusted me. Worst decision I ever made in my life. I hope this example gives you a better idea of the 12th house. Not necessarily Saturn in the 12th, but our stellium was in Capricorn in the 12th.
As for guy number 2, very different scenario. I probably would be helplessly in love by now if he didn't make a run for it. This guy had his own Capricorn stellium in the 12th house natally along with a Capricorn Ascendant. He was ALL Capricorn down to his Uranus and Neptune. He pursued me effortlessly for months until I decided to see him. We talked for a few months until my emotions got involved. I displayed a little "crazy" and he ran for it. I didn't hear from him until months later and it was only a "Hey" message on Facebook. He wasn't weird or emotionally disturbed. He was very dutiful to his family and worked really hard. In our composite, we had Saturn in the 12th square moon though so I guess it just shows confusion on how and why the relationship ended. I'm still confused until this day. I know why he ran from me, but I don't understand his actions afterwards. A big ball of confusion. I'm actually glad it was short and to the point. I cried for a day then got over it.
As far as the 6th house Sun.. Well I have a 6th house stellium natally and I was involved with someone where we had a 6th house stellium in composite.
This house is hard to pinpoint in terms of description. Natally, it makes me obsessed with routine, work, organization, health, etc. In our composite, the guy had a lot of sexual issues as well as physical issues related to an accident he was in. So I'm guessing a 6th house Sun in composite would put a clear focus on anything 6yh house related. If badly aspected, be prepared for a lot of health issues.
quote:Originally posted by Faith:I have this natally, 6H Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Leo Saturn. If you consider Saturn as co-ruler of Aquarius, you two have a bit of mutual reception there, too? I'm no expert but maybe if I talk about my own aspect, it will obliquely shed a light on yours?In my life, I feel that my highest goals combine the spiritual and practical, the 12H and 6H. So, for instance, I thought of studying art, but that wasn't practical enough for me. I wanted to do gardening instead, because to me, gardens are beautiful (spiritual) and practical (growing food.)I say things to my husband like, "That is so functionally beautiful!" talking about a particular tool that is both visually appealing AND highly effective. 12H/6H balance.I would imagine that the music you create with your partner is healing in some way (functionally beautiful ). The 6H wants healing, and 12H Saturn kind of solidifies that which is ethereal, into usable "material" to work with, like the right notes for a song.The problem is, Saturn is chronically uncomfortable, just by nature...and in the 12H, Saturn is annoyed that it can never QUITE get to the heart of its surroundings (because Saturn and Neptune are so diametrically opposed.)So with 12H Saturn in composite, maybe there is a sense of, we need to carry this further and further, we aren't there yet, we need to keep going....And it could prolong the relationship if it's aspected right, and keep it interesting, but also be a little exhausting?Yet the 6H sun is perfectly happy having something to work on, something to find solutions for, so 12H Saturn "feeds" the sun and can drive it, inform it, develop its psychic reflexes. As you said, "Also with the 6H Sun, I feel there is a need to be working together as a daily dynamic, with bigger projects indicated by the 12H Saturn." It's cute how you talk about your partner.
Faith,you hit the nail on the head with "functionally beautiful" (love that phrase btw) in reference to the music.It is indeed healing, at least for us.I am the main writer/composer at the moment, and I manage many of my emotions and conflicts through the songs I write.For us as a couple, by consequence this serves two purposes:
1. I can understand how I am feeling through music, and make peace with issues I know are personal to me, that may initially look like a relationship issues, and so can avoid the pitfall of making my partner feel responsible for these
2. It is a communication with him in a way that is less confrontational. Sometimes he will ask me of the origin of a song, what its inspiration was, and this can open up discussion in a non-confrontational way on difficult issues.
We don't solely use music this way, our communication is of a high standard anyway, but I can go overboard with the "fixing" and my many theories behind why it needs done (Virgo Moon) and he can end up feeling confused and lost and while wanting the same thing as me, can't quite feel his way through what I am saying when I am so activated (Pisces Moon). So in these circumstances is is a brilliant communication support. He understands the abstract emotion in music virtually by osmosis and so can hear me this way.
Haha, it is cute?? Have never thought of myself as cute in any way - how pleasant to consider this!
quote:Originally posted by Yanmorg:Anything 12th house related spells trouble from my experience.1. I had a 6-month "therapy session" (it was a really just s self-destructive relationship) with someone and we had a 12th house stellium in Capricorn (Sun, mercury, Venus, Mars)2. I dated someone briefly where we had Saturn in the 12th square moon.The 1st guy was hell. I was ashamed of actually telling people we were dating. I was ashamed at myself for even being associated with him after awhile. Of course things didn't start out that way, but we had tight Venus/ Mercury Neptune/ Uranus squares in synastry so I saw what I wanted to see in the beginning. Anyway, it was obvious we had some major Karma to sort out and I couldn't make a break for it until it was cleared. He was a total weirdo who never had any type of experience with a woman at 30 years old. He was very emotionally disturbed and very unintelligent. He was the worst of the worst. He was very manipulative and his immaturity was annoying and suffocating. He spent a good amount of time in prison too which is one of the representations of the 12th house. I had some serious anger issues to work out at the time and he eventually became my punching bag. I had no respect for him and he had no respect for me, but we kept at it until I broke it off one day. I ran for the hills. He showed up at my job with a picture of me on his shirt trying to win me over. It was the worst relationship ever. He had a serious sexual problem too that I won't go into but our sex life was basically nonexistent. It felt like couple's therapy. We were rarely ever affection with each other too. I'd say after about 3 months, just looking at him disgusted me. Worst decision I ever made in my life. I hope this example gives you a better idea of the 12th house. Not necessarily Saturn in the 12th, but our stellium was in Capricorn in the 12th.As for guy number 2, very different scenario. I probably would be helplessly in love by now if he didn't make a run for it. This guy had his own Capricorn stellium in the 12th house natally along with a Capricorn Ascendant. He was ALL Capricorn down to his Uranus and Neptune. He pursued me effortlessly for months until I decided to see him. We talked for a few months until my emotions got involved. I displayed a little "crazy" and he ran for it. I didn't hear from him until months later and it was only a "Hey" message on Facebook. He wasn't weird or emotionally disturbed. He was very dutiful to his family and worked really hard. In our composite, we had Saturn in the 12th square moon though so I guess it just shows confusion on how and why the relationship ended. I'm still confused until this day. I know why he ran from me, but I don't understand his actions afterwards. A big ball of confusion. I'm actually glad it was short and to the point. I cried for a day then got over it.As far as the 6th house Sun.. Well I have a 6th house stellium natally and I was involved with someone where we had a 6th house stellium in composite. This house is hard to pinpoint in terms of description. Natally, it makes me obsessed with routine, work, organization, health, etc. In our composite, the guy had a lot of sexual issues as well as physical issues related to an accident he was in. So I'm guessing a 6th house Sun in composite would put a clear focus on anything 6yh house related. If badly aspected, be prepared for a lot of health issues.
Yanmorg,I'm sorry your experiences were so negative.I think the 12th house has massive potential, however from what you have said, it seems that heavy 12th house activation, such as a stellium can be too much to handle.Thank for sharing the dangers of the 12th house, this is necessary for a full understanding of the pitfalls.And you have highlighted that natal familiarity with this house is also important, for good or ill. I guess the message is there must be a balance across charts in the ability and familiarity with issues raised by this house.
quote:Originally posted by Lucia23:What's the synastry like?
I'm not sure what we are looking for in the synastry, although the following may aid managing this configuration --
---I have Mars and Saturn in 12th, trine his 11H Saturn.---His 12H ruler is Mercury, conjunct my Sun and trine my 12H Saturn.Our Mercuries are both Aquarius, so there is an understanding there.---My 12H ruler is Venus, we have a little cluster of planets involving it, around our angles:My Venus/Mercury/IC cj. his Jupiter/Venus/DC--- This cluster is squared by my 12H Saturn/Mars
Here is the synastry bi-wheel:
Here an example
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been together for over 10 years, moved in together after 5 or 6 years, recently moved into a house (but rented), and expecting their first baby.
Both are well received by each other`s families and friends , no secrets, no cheating.
EDITThey donīt have Saturn in 12th house though, but still quite an active 12th house for both of them.
I see they both have 12H Suns, amongst other planets, but that composite 12H and in Pisces no less! Although I guess it is like a reflection of their natal Pisces placements - they may already have developed the skills as individuals to navigate the 12H?
I suppose I have direct knowledge RE Saturn in 12H due to my natal, my partner doesn't though, unless we include by association of his 12H ruler which may learn 12H stuff through my Venus sq. Saturn.
However I stumbled across quite some examples of composite Moon in 12th
For exampley my Parents have the Moon in 12th house (Cancer) in composite.my best friend and her husband have the Moon in 12th house (Pisces) square Neptune. my best friend and me have Moon in Pisces in 12th house widely square Neptune.
Neither of us has Moon in 12th house (or Pisces) natally, and well, neither of these relationships has proved disastrous, and in fact all of them pretty longlasting so far (my parents 41 years, my best friend and her husband 16 years, and our friendship started approximately 25 or 26 years ago - we often joke that we have been friends longer than most marriages last. lol)
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:Yes, maybe this is so. However I stumbled across quite some examples of composite Moon in 12thFor exampley my Parents have the Moon in 12th house (Cancer) in composite.my best friend and her husband have the Moon in 12th house (Pisces) square Neptune. my best friend and me have Moon in Pisces in 12th house widely square Neptune. Neither of us has Moon in 12th house (or Pisces) natally, and well, neither of these relationships has proved disastrous, and in fact all of them pretty longlasting so far (my parents 41 years, my best friend and her husband 16 years, and our friendship started approximately 25 or 26 years ago - we often joke that we have been friends longer than most marriages last. lol)
That's excellent news!I actually love the concept of the 12H.I recently wrote a journey of songs (our 1st set for when we are gigging) and the last song is kind of like the 12H.It deals with the shrugging off of the body and the release of the spirit, and the new found sight that comes with detaching and letting go of the material.I then describe a scene in which everything dissolves.I love doing this song! I guess I enjoy 12H stuff, maybe my passion for the concepts eases the path for my partner, and I really do believe that we communicate as much through music with each other as verbally, but it is an undefinable language, that leaves *impressions* rather than thoughts. Knowledge that is wordless, but simply just *known*.
But I'm veering into airy-fairy now!
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