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T O P I C R E V I E WEmpty SpacesWhat is the the best: the geometrical patterns (kites/grand trines/yods) or more compacted composites?Reading some old threads I notice that there's some discordances about it.Some think geometrical figures are special while some think it does't matter cuz dispersedplanets in composite are BAD THING.The most lovely relationship that I had was an unrequited-love (well at least I never knew from his mouth he felt something for me but hey I didn't confess either ) Anyway we had sun-venus conjunction and a kite.I wonder what brought these cloud 9 type of feelings.The conjunction or the kite?Sun and venus are one of the most famous aspects (or the most famous) but can alone overcome a **** synastry? I think my example isn't the best cuz involve both things but I'm just sharing my experince.-What is yours with compacted and disperced composites?-what is the best: sun-moon or sun-venus?Ps:I'm sorry for the title guys.It feels like I'm going to explain the differences between them when I'm actually asking for your opinion.I wish that was the case but I don't have a formed opinion about it,I'm still learning.comdocHi ES. Two different animals. Depends on your birth chart and what you like. I was born under a Kite plus Bowl, and love pattern completion. My ideal match would be a synastry overlay with Grand Sextile and/or Grand Rectangle.Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals). Convergence of composite midpoints just places more focus on that particular Zodiac (Sign) or local Earth space (House) area. Composite mandala formations signify broad resonance with larger spheres of reality. Scattered placements without sacred geometry patterns present integration challenges.Sun-Moon and Sun-Venus interactions represent two sets of qualities. Which is best depends on which qualities you want more to be empowered and supported in the relationship. quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:What is the the best: the geometrical patterns (kites/grand trines/yods) or more compacted composites?Reading some old threads I notice that there's some discordances about it.Some think geometrical figures are special while some think it does't matter cuz dispersedplanets in composite are BAD THING.The most lovely relationship that I had was an unrequited-love (well at least I never knew from his mouth he felt something for me but hey I didn't confess either ) Anyway we had sun-venus conjunction and a kite.I wonder what brought these cloud 9 type of feelings.The conjunction or the kite?Sun and venus are one of the most famous aspects (or the most famous) but can alone overcome a **** synastry? I think my example isn't the best cuz involve both things but I'm just sharing my experince.-What is yours with compacted and disperced composites?-what is the best: sun-moon or sun-venus?ElysiaIME, Sun-Venus conjunctions in the composite are pretty common in relationships (not that that diminishes their value). Sun-Moon positive aspects are harder to come by. They lend a nice cohesion to the chart. Moon-Venus composite aspects are the sweetly romantic ones. Venus-Pluto are the *inevitable* ones.Depends on what you like. The geometries of kites and mystic rectangles are great, but their absence is not a deal-breaker. I've seen scattered composites work pretty well too, as long as there is some cohesion. Doesn't have to be *that* shape. The masculine and feminine planets being balanced in terms of aspects (for instance, positive moon-mars or moon-saturn if there's no moon-sun), is one common denominator. Haven't studied enough to account for any more. Oh and, stelliums in the composite can make you play out all shades of similar issues between yourselves. The good part is, you usually know where you stand with such relationships. (Not sure what your experiences have been..)The key is - how does it aspect your natal & his? Are any personal planets on the same degrees as your composite personal planets? Is only one of you anchored to the relationship or are both invested? Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by comdoc:Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals). But WITH the natals/ synastry, it really is being lit up. Ceridwen quote:Originally posted by Elysia:The key is - how does it aspect your natal & his? Are any personal planets on the same degrees as your composite personal planets? Is only one of you anchored to the relationship or are both invested? One thing I want to point out. With both, condensed natals/ synastries/ composites, they are sometimes giving an "All or Nothing" vibration. With that I don`t even mean passion or quality of connection, but the fact that condensed charts will go through times where nothing much happens, but when they are getting hit by outer planets transits, it seems everything is getting hit at the same time, and it really depends on your personality how well you can deal with that. Esp. if the outer planets in transits are forming squares or oppositions or ocnjunctions to each other. Just ask people with a condensed composite and planets on about 10 degrees of the mutable signs how they fared with the transiting Saturn-Neptune square last year. Currently the composites with an emphasis on 20 Libra-Aries (also Cap-Cancer probably) are under focus - though I prefer JupiterUranus anyday over Saturn-neptune. lol And I forgot where the Uranus-Pluto-square was happening, but that must have been a biggie, too. If the composite is not so condensed, there might be some areas of relief that are not so completely put through the shaker. Empty Spaces Comdoc Thanks a lot,very good information Synastry/composite fascinates me.There's so many curves,sometimes is hard to understand why people feel so connected but if we check deeply we may find.What do mean?if there's no good synastry,there's no good composite? Elysia Very very good,thanks for the explanation I didn't have many relationships and I don't fall in love easily so I don't have much composites to check,unfortunally.I think the Sun-venus in composite was the first time for me and was very,very lovely.I want again! I didn't even feel the saturn-venus/ saturn-mercury from synastry, it feels like all that disappeared.-composite moon conjunct his natal venus -Composite NN conjunct my DSCThat's all we had.Ohhhh Elysia I did check his composite with my friend and look the amazing stellium they had: they also have a kite.Sun-venus (3)Sun-moon (6 )Venus-moon (9 wide I know)Mercury-moon (3)Isn't that far better than mine?We were all friends,the weird part is that I was much,much closer to him,than her.This kinda of stuff confuse me a lot.She had a better composite with him than me and much better than what she has with her husband now.Why she never felt that??Maybe is what Ceridwen said, it needs something to trigger it? Or maybe it just the fact that it has to be that way. Ceridwen Thanks a lot for putting your opinion here.It helps me to learn.Empty SpacesHow far a good synastry goes without good composite?Beautiful_Light quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:How far a good synastry goes without good composite?In my opinion, you need a good composite in order to have a happy long-term relationship.Elysia quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces: Elysia Very very good,thanks for the explanation I didn't have many relationships and I don't fall in love easily so I don't have much composites to check,unfortunally.I think the Sun-venus in composite was the first time for me and was very,very lovely.I want again! Yeah, me neither. I just check charts of people I know. quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:I didn't even feel the saturn-venus/ saturn-mercury from synastry, it feels like all that disappeared.-composite moon conjunct his natal venus -Composite NN conjunct my DSCThat's all we had.Ohhhh Elysia I did check his composite with my friend and look the amazing stellium they had: they also have a kite.Sun-venus (3)Sun-moon (6 )Venus-moon (9 wide I know)Mercury-moon (3)Isn't that far better than mine?We were all friends,the weird part is that I was much,much closer to him,than her.This kinda of stuff confuse me a lot.She had a better composite with him than me and much better than what she has with her husband now.Why she never felt that??Maybe is what Ceridwen said, it needs something to trigger it? Or maybe it just the fact that it has to be that way. Aah.. The composite NN on your DSC! And the moon on his Venus is also very sweet. As for their chart, don't stress yourself about it. A good composite can't manufacture feelings - it only shows how things might take shape once people have feelings and get together. Also - progressions are something I've recently started paying more attention to. Someone's progressed moon/venus aspecting your natal Sun or vice-versa - is a good "trigger" for something to start between the two of you. Transits to the composite personal planets also set things in motion. Mutual natal/progressed activation has a lot of impetus at the beginning though. P.S. Saturn-Venus in synastry doesn't have to be such a bad thing! You could post the synastry if you'd like to see it as a whole. FaithMy opinion, as given by others quote:Originally posted by comdoc:Depends on your birth chart and what you like. I was born under a Kite plus Bowl, and love pattern completion. My ideal match would be a synastry overlay with Grand Sextile and/or Grand Rectangle.Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals). Also, connections between natals and composite. quote:Originally posted by Elysia:The geometries of kites and mystic rectangles are great, but their absence is not a deal-breaker. I've seen scattered composites work pretty well too, as long as there is some cohesion. Doesn't have to be *that* shape. The masculine and feminine planets being balanced in terms of aspects (for instance, positive moon-mars or moon-saturn if there's no moon-sun), is one common denominator. Haven't studied enough to account for any more. quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:One thing I want to point out. With both, condensed natals/ synastries/ composites, they are sometimes giving an "All or Nothing" vibration. With that I don`t even mean passion or quality of connection, but the fact that condensed charts will go through times where nothing much happens, but when they are getting hit by outer planets transits, it seems everything is getting hit at the same time, and it really depends on your personality how well you can deal with that. Esp. if the outer planets in transits are forming squares or oppositions or ocnjunctions to each other. FaithAnd for what it's worth:If I have birth data, I check nodes and individual draconic charts.There is usually a theme based around the nodes. Sometimes the charts indicate that it will play out more favorably, or for a longer period of time, than in other cases. The pattern isn't geometrical so much as it's repetitive with planets and degrees.Faith quote:Originally posted by Elysia:A good composite can't manufacture feelings That's gold. Something to remember!ElysiaAww, Faith. That's great about Draconics btw. I'm not good at spotting themes there yet, or even the direction of influence (in natal-draconic interactions). But little by little, trying to piece the patterns together. It's amazing how sometimes the very same *degree* itself plays a role.
The most lovely relationship that I had was an unrequited-love (well at least I never knew from his mouth he felt something for me but hey I didn't confess either ) Anyway we had sun-venus conjunction and a kite.I wonder what brought these cloud 9 type of feelings.The conjunction or the kite?Sun and venus are one of the most famous aspects (or the most famous) but can alone overcome a **** synastry? I think my example isn't the best cuz involve both things but I'm just sharing my experince.
-What is yours with compacted and disperced composites?
-what is the best: sun-moon or sun-venus?
Ps:I'm sorry for the title guys.It feels like I'm going to explain the differences between them when I'm actually asking for your opinion.I wish that was the case but I don't have a formed opinion about it,I'm still learning.
Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals). Convergence of composite midpoints just places more focus on that particular Zodiac (Sign) or local Earth space (House) area.
Composite mandala formations signify broad resonance with larger spheres of reality. Scattered placements without sacred geometry patterns present integration challenges.
Sun-Moon and Sun-Venus interactions represent two sets of qualities. Which is best depends on which qualities you want more to be empowered and supported in the relationship.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:What is the the best: the geometrical patterns (kites/grand trines/yods) or more compacted composites?Reading some old threads I notice that there's some discordances about it.Some think geometrical figures are special while some think it does't matter cuz dispersedplanets in composite are BAD THING.The most lovely relationship that I had was an unrequited-love (well at least I never knew from his mouth he felt something for me but hey I didn't confess either ) Anyway we had sun-venus conjunction and a kite.I wonder what brought these cloud 9 type of feelings.The conjunction or the kite?Sun and venus are one of the most famous aspects (or the most famous) but can alone overcome a **** synastry? I think my example isn't the best cuz involve both things but I'm just sharing my experince.-What is yours with compacted and disperced composites?-what is the best: sun-moon or sun-venus?
Sun-Moon positive aspects are harder to come by. They lend a nice cohesion to the chart. Moon-Venus composite aspects are the sweetly romantic ones. Venus-Pluto are the *inevitable* ones.Depends on what you like.
The geometries of kites and mystic rectangles are great, but their absence is not a deal-breaker. I've seen scattered composites work pretty well too, as long as there is some cohesion. Doesn't have to be *that* shape. The masculine and feminine planets being balanced in terms of aspects (for instance, positive moon-mars or moon-saturn if there's no moon-sun), is one common denominator. Haven't studied enough to account for any more. Oh and, stelliums in the composite can make you play out all shades of similar issues between yourselves. The good part is, you usually know where you stand with such relationships. (Not sure what your experiences have been..)
The key is - how does it aspect your natal & his? Are any personal planets on the same degrees as your composite personal planets? Is only one of you anchored to the relationship or are both invested?
quote:Originally posted by comdoc:Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals).
But WITH the natals/ synastry, it really is being lit up.
quote:Originally posted by Elysia:The key is - how does it aspect your natal & his? Are any personal planets on the same degrees as your composite personal planets? Is only one of you anchored to the relationship or are both invested?
One thing I want to point out. With both, condensed natals/ synastries/ composites, they are sometimes giving an "All or Nothing" vibration.
With that I don`t even mean passion or quality of connection, but the fact that condensed charts will go through times where nothing much happens, but when they are getting hit by outer planets transits, it seems everything is getting hit at the same time, and it really depends on your personality how well you can deal with that. Esp. if the outer planets in transits are forming squares or oppositions or ocnjunctions to each other.
Just ask people with a condensed composite and planets on about 10 degrees of the mutable signs how they fared with the transiting Saturn-Neptune square last year.
Currently the composites with an emphasis on 20 Libra-Aries (also Cap-Cancer probably) are under focus - though I prefer JupiterUranus anyday over Saturn-neptune. lol
And I forgot where the Uranus-Pluto-square was happening, but that must have been a biggie, too.
If the composite is not so condensed, there might be some areas of relief that are not so completely put through the shaker.
Thanks a lot,very good information Synastry/composite fascinates me.There's so many curves,sometimes is hard to understand why people feel so connected but if we check deeply we may find.
What do mean?if there's no good synastry,there's no good composite?
Elysia
Very very good,thanks for the explanation I didn't have many relationships and I don't fall in love easily so I don't have much composites to check,unfortunally.I think the Sun-venus in composite was the first time for me and was very,very lovely.I want again! I didn't even feel the saturn-venus/ saturn-mercury from synastry, it feels like all that disappeared.
-composite moon conjunct his natal venus -Composite NN conjunct my DSCThat's all we had.
Ohhhh Elysia I did check his composite with my friend and look the amazing stellium they had: they also have a kite.
Sun-venus (3)Sun-moon (6 )Venus-moon (9 wide I know)Mercury-moon (3)
Isn't that far better than mine?We were all friends,the weird part is that I was much,much closer to him,than her.This kinda of stuff confuse me a lot.She had a better composite with him than me and much better than what she has with her husband now.Why she never felt that??Maybe is what Ceridwen said, it needs something to trigger it? Or maybe it just the fact that it has to be that way.
Ceridwen
Thanks a lot for putting your opinion here.It helps me to learn.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:How far a good synastry goes without good composite?
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces: Elysia Very very good,thanks for the explanation I didn't have many relationships and I don't fall in love easily so I don't have much composites to check,unfortunally.I think the Sun-venus in composite was the first time for me and was very,very lovely.I want again!
Very very good,thanks for the explanation I didn't have many relationships and I don't fall in love easily so I don't have much composites to check,unfortunally.I think the Sun-venus in composite was the first time for me and was very,very lovely.I want again!
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:I didn't even feel the saturn-venus/ saturn-mercury from synastry, it feels like all that disappeared.-composite moon conjunct his natal venus -Composite NN conjunct my DSCThat's all we had.Ohhhh Elysia I did check his composite with my friend and look the amazing stellium they had: they also have a kite.Sun-venus (3)Sun-moon (6 )Venus-moon (9 wide I know)Mercury-moon (3)Isn't that far better than mine?We were all friends,the weird part is that I was much,much closer to him,than her.This kinda of stuff confuse me a lot.She had a better composite with him than me and much better than what she has with her husband now.Why she never felt that??Maybe is what Ceridwen said, it needs something to trigger it? Or maybe it just the fact that it has to be that way.
Aah.. The composite NN on your DSC! And the moon on his Venus is also very sweet. As for their chart, don't stress yourself about it. A good composite can't manufacture feelings - it only shows how things might take shape once people have feelings and get together.
Also - progressions are something I've recently started paying more attention to. Someone's progressed moon/venus aspecting your natal Sun or vice-versa - is a good "trigger" for something to start between the two of you. Transits to the composite personal planets also set things in motion. Mutual natal/progressed activation has a lot of impetus at the beginning though.
P.S. Saturn-Venus in synastry doesn't have to be such a bad thing! You could post the synastry if you'd like to see it as a whole.
quote:Originally posted by comdoc:Depends on your birth chart and what you like. I was born under a Kite plus Bowl, and love pattern completion. My ideal match would be a synastry overlay with Grand Sextile and/or Grand Rectangle.Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals).
Midpoint composites mean nothing without a synastry foundation (natals).
Also, connections between natals and composite.
quote:Originally posted by Elysia:The geometries of kites and mystic rectangles are great, but their absence is not a deal-breaker. I've seen scattered composites work pretty well too, as long as there is some cohesion. Doesn't have to be *that* shape. The masculine and feminine planets being balanced in terms of aspects (for instance, positive moon-mars or moon-saturn if there's no moon-sun), is one common denominator. Haven't studied enough to account for any more.
quote:Originally posted by Ceridwen:One thing I want to point out. With both, condensed natals/ synastries/ composites, they are sometimes giving an "All or Nothing" vibration. With that I don`t even mean passion or quality of connection, but the fact that condensed charts will go through times where nothing much happens, but when they are getting hit by outer planets transits, it seems everything is getting hit at the same time, and it really depends on your personality how well you can deal with that. Esp. if the outer planets in transits are forming squares or oppositions or ocnjunctions to each other.
If I have birth data, I check nodes and individual draconic charts.
There is usually a theme based around the nodes. Sometimes the charts indicate that it will play out more favorably, or for a longer period of time, than in other cases. The pattern isn't geometrical so much as it's repetitive with planets and degrees.
quote:Originally posted by Elysia:A good composite can't manufacture feelings
That's gold. Something to remember!
That's great about Draconics btw. I'm not good at spotting themes there yet, or even the direction of influence (in natal-draconic interactions). But little by little, trying to piece the patterns together. It's amazing how sometimes the very same *degree* itself plays a role.
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