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T O P I C R E V I E WVoix_de_la_MerJust wondering if there are any knowflakes from Scotland on LL? I think there used to be some from UK, but I haven't noticed any in a while. Am I a lone kilt? PixieJaneI have heavy Scots-Irish ancestry from my dad's side, for what it's worth (and intend to visit one day as a result, but that's another topic).As it so happens, a question occurred to me recently that you could answer.A Scottish woman on YT (I saw this some time ago) claimed that Scottish schools didn't teach much in the way of Scottish history. This got me to wondering recently, how is British history taught in Scottish schools? (That is, a brief overview of Scottish history is given, but generally implied--but surely not said outright--that the Scottish weren't anything until made part of the UK. This could also include teaching more of British involvement in WW2 than Scottish.) Or is British history also considered unimportant? I've been thinking a lot about how different nations teach history in their schools and some common patterns are emerging that just made me wonder. So I'd be appreciative if you'd be willing to answer (if not, no big deal, I'm looking for other sources of info, maybe even attempt to get a textbook for Scottish schools through the library, if possible, once it's open again). Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:I have heavy Scots-Irish ancestry from my dad's side, for what it's worth (and intend to visit one day as a result, but that's another topic).As it so happens, a question occurred to me recently that you could answer.A Scottish woman on YT (I saw this some time ago) claimed that Scottish schools didn't teach much in the way of Scottish history. This got me to wondering recently, how is British history taught in Scottish schools? (That is, a brief overview of Scottish history is given, but generally implied--but surely not said outright--that the Scottish weren't anything until made part of the UK. This could also include teaching more of British involvement in WW2 than Scottish.) Or is British history also considered unimportant? I've been thinking a lot about how different nations teach history in their schools and some common patterns are emerging that just made me wonder. So I'd be appreciative if you'd be willing to answer (if not, no big deal, I'm looking for other sources of info, maybe even attempt to get a textbook for Scottish schools through the library, if possible, once it's open again). Hi Pixie, nice to hear from you!Well, what history you were taught might depend on whether you went to a catholic school or not, although all schools to my knowledge, all schools did teach history in general as a subject.I definitely got some Scottish history in both primary and high school with more of a cultural bent to it than pure history, and we would do projects on specific parts of history. I would say it was probably a bit sanitised, but maybe they were just making it 'age appropriate'. I remember them talking about the battle of Bannockburn, but not of the highland clearances, for example.By the time the devolved Scottish government was fully formed I had left school, so I wouldn't have noticed any changes there, but I suspect more Scottish history would have been taught after 1998.PixieJaneThank you!There are probably other factors...I don't know how Scottish schools work, but presumably some get more funding than others, and those with funding may choose to emphasize sports over academics, or maybe science and technology over the humanities if that's what's seen as necessary for the future. And maybe the YTer just wasn't paying attention (lots of people here in the USA barely recall high school, even after only a few years, I suspect recreational drug use including heavy drinking to be involved, assuming there was no trauma). And as you say, Catholic school is different. Here in the USA there are even atheists who will send children to Catholic school because they consider it safer (less school shootings, I can't think of one off hand but there have been so many here that I could easily have forgotten some) as well as higher quality education than the average American school (where many with high school diplomas have to take "bone head" classes to qualify for college as they can't pass the basic exam to get in, though maybe the obsession with testing these past 2 decades have impacted that), which to them make it worth overlooking the religious aspect...and that's saying something. MoonMystic My mother's Dad's side was Scots. Does that count? teaselI have a little bit of all of the UK in me, and grew up mostly in England, but haven't been home for years. I was really homesick the other night, after looking at pictures of London, and just revisiting things that I used to love, thanks to the internet. Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Thank you!There are probably other factors...I don't know how Scottish schools work, but presumably some get more funding than others, and those with funding may choose to emphasize sports over academics, or maybe science and technology over the humanities if that's what's seen as necessary for the future. And maybe the YTer just wasn't paying attention (lots of people here in the USA barely recall high school, even after only a few years, I suspect recreational drug use including heavy drinking to be involved, assuming there was no trauma). And as you say, Catholic school is different. Here in the USA there are even atheists who will send children to Catholic school because they consider it safer (less school shootings, I can't think of one off hand but there have been so many here that I could easily have forgotten some) as well as higher quality education than the average American school (where many with high school diplomas have to take "bone head" classes to qualify for college as they can't pass the basic exam to get in, though maybe the obsession with testing these past 2 decades have impacted that), which to them make it worth overlooking the religious aspect...and that's saying something. That's interesting Pixie. Many catholic schools here have better academic outcomes and that can influence the decision to send children there. Even though we don't practice, I sent my youngest to catholic school because I wanted him to have the choice to choose or not choose the religion. If I'd sent him to protestant school he wouldn't have had the choice. He chose not to practice regardless, but at least it was an informed decision. I was always annoyed that I was baptised, done holy communion and confirmed without my informed consent. How can a baby consent?! Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by MoonMystic: My mother's Dad's side was Scots. Does that count? Of course it does! You must buy a kilt now Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by teasel:I have a little bit of all of the UK in me, and grew up mostly in England, but haven't been home for years. I was really homesick the other night, after looking at pictures of London, and just revisiting things that I used to love, thanks to the internet. Aww, I know I would miss Scotland if I ever moved. What made you move Teasel?mirage29I was a wanna-be for a while.Around the year 1981 I wanted to make a long-term visit to the Findhorn Village/Community in northern Scotland. Couldn't get a Visa to go through.When I was around 4 or 5 years old, in a protective way, I used to tell my mother that my real mother was from Scotland. They mixed me up at the hospital. I didn't want her to be 'too upset' when she came to get me! After too many times of saying this with all genuine believing, she harshly scolded me and said NEVER to say that again. oh my...Deeply identified with too many Shirley Temple movies? awwwww Scene from Wee Willy Winky {Shirley Temple, kilts}[1:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP0-8AlRf0 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Findhorn In Travel-Click feature of Astrodienst, ALL my planet lines gather-together in that general area of the world. Sweden/Scotland.GalacticCoreExplosion Visited Findhorn. Tis a cool/interesting place indeed. Got married in a kilt.Voix_de_la_Mer quote:Originally posted by mirage29:I was a wanna-be for a while.Around the year 1981 I wanted to make a long-term visit to the Findhorn Village/Community in northern Scotland. Couldn't get a Visa to go through.When I was around 4 or 5 years old, in a protective way, I used to tell my mother that my real mother was from Scotland. They mixed me up at the hospital. I didn't want her to be 'too upset' when she came to get me! After too many times of saying this with all genuine believing, she harshly scolded me and said NEVER to say that again. oh my...Deeply identified with too many Shirley Temple movies? awwwww Scene from Wee Willy Winky {Shirley Temple, kilts}[1:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP0-8AlRf0 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Findhorn In Travel-Click feature of Astrodienst, ALL my planet lines gather-together in that general area of the world. Sweden/Scotland.That's awesome about Astro Travel-click. I saw you speak of this the other day Mirage, and I checked mine out. I have some major lines through a land that I have never been to, but has always enchanted me - Iceland. We must follow our lines one day! I'm sure it was my NN that was indicated along with other planets, so I'm dying to go now.Ahhh good ole Findhorn. Yeah, I went with a Buddhist friend back in 2006. It was OK. I usually assess places with my stomach and it didn't come close to how much energy I felt from Samye Ling in Eskdalemuir(http://www.samyeling.org/)So you must see Samye Ling if you do come to Scotland, it is beautiful and the energy is invigorating. So much love has been worked into the land there.And I love your story about your mother. You sound like you were a magical child!Voix_de_la_MerAwww lovely wedding photo Galactic! You both look very happy together, and you suit the kilt with your red hair GalacticCoreExplosionTanks Luv.mirage29 (music) Scotland The Brave (Bagpipe marching bands, 2019)[4:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnG1oUkWBa8 (music) Special "Scotland The Brave" mix byScottish tribal band 'Clanadonia'for St Andrews Day 2019 in Perth[2:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdO1AOXLFs St Andrews Day Celebration November 30th - http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/20556587 National Anthem:Scotland - Flower of Scotland (Constituent Country of the United Kingdom, lyrics) [3:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YaHlR3jGFg Tune is very prettyI*Am* RajjiYou can Say I'm from Scotland of the East...Kind of... Named as OotyA Meeting with mySelf...A true Alice in a true Wonderland of the PresentA Recoonection with Mary, The Queen of Scots in a past Life.A French Gift of Statue of Liberty to the Americans...Both of WhichThe Future Unfolds...I*Am* RajjiStatue of Liberty, Pont de GrenelleParis, FranceFrance gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty in 1886; Americans gave Paris a smaller version of the same statue in 1889. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/statue-of-liberty-pont-de-grenelle mirage29Happy Birthday, Voix! (Feb 10) (music) Happy Birthday from the Caber Feidh Pipe Band [0:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N-ogA-aJYs (Link to Your LLC2.0 Birthday Thread)- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/005670.html RandallHappy Solar Return! RandallBump!
Am I a lone kilt?
As it so happens, a question occurred to me recently that you could answer.
A Scottish woman on YT (I saw this some time ago) claimed that Scottish schools didn't teach much in the way of Scottish history. This got me to wondering recently, how is British history taught in Scottish schools? (That is, a brief overview of Scottish history is given, but generally implied--but surely not said outright--that the Scottish weren't anything until made part of the UK. This could also include teaching more of British involvement in WW2 than Scottish.) Or is British history also considered unimportant?
I've been thinking a lot about how different nations teach history in their schools and some common patterns are emerging that just made me wonder. So I'd be appreciative if you'd be willing to answer (if not, no big deal, I'm looking for other sources of info, maybe even attempt to get a textbook for Scottish schools through the library, if possible, once it's open again).
quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:I have heavy Scots-Irish ancestry from my dad's side, for what it's worth (and intend to visit one day as a result, but that's another topic).As it so happens, a question occurred to me recently that you could answer.A Scottish woman on YT (I saw this some time ago) claimed that Scottish schools didn't teach much in the way of Scottish history. This got me to wondering recently, how is British history taught in Scottish schools? (That is, a brief overview of Scottish history is given, but generally implied--but surely not said outright--that the Scottish weren't anything until made part of the UK. This could also include teaching more of British involvement in WW2 than Scottish.) Or is British history also considered unimportant? I've been thinking a lot about how different nations teach history in their schools and some common patterns are emerging that just made me wonder. So I'd be appreciative if you'd be willing to answer (if not, no big deal, I'm looking for other sources of info, maybe even attempt to get a textbook for Scottish schools through the library, if possible, once it's open again).
Hi Pixie, nice to hear from you!
Well, what history you were taught might depend on whether you went to a catholic school or not, although all schools to my knowledge, all schools did teach history in general as a subject.
I definitely got some Scottish history in both primary and high school with more of a cultural bent to it than pure history, and we would do projects on specific parts of history. I would say it was probably a bit sanitised, but maybe they were just making it 'age appropriate'. I remember them talking about the battle of Bannockburn, but not of the highland clearances, for example.
By the time the devolved Scottish government was fully formed I had left school, so I wouldn't have noticed any changes there, but I suspect more Scottish history would have been taught after 1998.
There are probably other factors...I don't know how Scottish schools work, but presumably some get more funding than others, and those with funding may choose to emphasize sports over academics, or maybe science and technology over the humanities if that's what's seen as necessary for the future.
And maybe the YTer just wasn't paying attention (lots of people here in the USA barely recall high school, even after only a few years, I suspect recreational drug use including heavy drinking to be involved, assuming there was no trauma).
And as you say, Catholic school is different. Here in the USA there are even atheists who will send children to Catholic school because they consider it safer (less school shootings, I can't think of one off hand but there have been so many here that I could easily have forgotten some) as well as higher quality education than the average American school (where many with high school diplomas have to take "bone head" classes to qualify for college as they can't pass the basic exam to get in, though maybe the obsession with testing these past 2 decades have impacted that), which to them make it worth overlooking the religious aspect...and that's saying something.
quote:Originally posted by PixieJane:Thank you!There are probably other factors...I don't know how Scottish schools work, but presumably some get more funding than others, and those with funding may choose to emphasize sports over academics, or maybe science and technology over the humanities if that's what's seen as necessary for the future. And maybe the YTer just wasn't paying attention (lots of people here in the USA barely recall high school, even after only a few years, I suspect recreational drug use including heavy drinking to be involved, assuming there was no trauma). And as you say, Catholic school is different. Here in the USA there are even atheists who will send children to Catholic school because they consider it safer (less school shootings, I can't think of one off hand but there have been so many here that I could easily have forgotten some) as well as higher quality education than the average American school (where many with high school diplomas have to take "bone head" classes to qualify for college as they can't pass the basic exam to get in, though maybe the obsession with testing these past 2 decades have impacted that), which to them make it worth overlooking the religious aspect...and that's saying something.
That's interesting Pixie. Many catholic schools here have better academic outcomes and that can influence the decision to send children there. Even though we don't practice, I sent my youngest to catholic school because I wanted him to have the choice to choose or not choose the religion. If I'd sent him to protestant school he wouldn't have had the choice.
He chose not to practice regardless, but at least it was an informed decision. I was always annoyed that I was baptised, done holy communion and confirmed without my informed consent. How can a baby consent?!
quote:Originally posted by MoonMystic: My mother's Dad's side was Scots. Does that count?
Of course it does! You must buy a kilt now
quote:Originally posted by teasel:I have a little bit of all of the UK in me, and grew up mostly in England, but haven't been home for years. I was really homesick the other night, after looking at pictures of London, and just revisiting things that I used to love, thanks to the internet.
Aww, I know I would miss Scotland if I ever moved. What made you move Teasel?
Around the year 1981 I wanted to make a long-term visit to the Findhorn Village/Community in northern Scotland. Couldn't get a Visa to go through.
When I was around 4 or 5 years old, in a protective way, I used to tell my mother that my real mother was from Scotland. They mixed me up at the hospital. I didn't want her to be 'too upset' when she came to get me! After too many times of saying this with all genuine believing, she harshly scolded me and said NEVER to say that again. oh my...
Deeply identified with too many Shirley Temple movies? awwwww
Scene from Wee Willy Winky {Shirley Temple, kilts}[1:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP0-8AlRf0
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Findhorn
In Travel-Click feature of Astrodienst, ALL my planet lines gather-together in that general area of the world. Sweden/Scotland.
Got married in a kilt.
quote:Originally posted by mirage29:I was a wanna-be for a while.Around the year 1981 I wanted to make a long-term visit to the Findhorn Village/Community in northern Scotland. Couldn't get a Visa to go through.When I was around 4 or 5 years old, in a protective way, I used to tell my mother that my real mother was from Scotland. They mixed me up at the hospital. I didn't want her to be 'too upset' when she came to get me! After too many times of saying this with all genuine believing, she harshly scolded me and said NEVER to say that again. oh my...Deeply identified with too many Shirley Temple movies? awwwww Scene from Wee Willy Winky {Shirley Temple, kilts}[1:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP0-8AlRf0 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Findhorn In Travel-Click feature of Astrodienst, ALL my planet lines gather-together in that general area of the world. Sweden/Scotland.
That's awesome about Astro Travel-click. I saw you speak of this the other day Mirage, and I checked mine out. I have some major lines through a land that I have never been to, but has always enchanted me - Iceland. We must follow our lines one day! I'm sure it was my NN that was indicated along with other planets, so I'm dying to go now.
Ahhh good ole Findhorn. Yeah, I went with a Buddhist friend back in 2006. It was OK. I usually assess places with my stomach and it didn't come close to how much energy I felt from Samye Ling in Eskdalemuir
(http://www.samyeling.org/)
So you must see Samye Ling if you do come to Scotland, it is beautiful and the energy is invigorating. So much love has been worked into the land there.
And I love your story about your mother. You sound like you were a magical child!
(music) Scotland The Brave (Bagpipe marching bands, 2019)[4:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnG1oUkWBa8
(music) Special "Scotland The Brave" mix byScottish tribal band 'Clanadonia'for St Andrews Day 2019 in Perth[2:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdO1AOXLFs
St Andrews Day Celebration November 30th - http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/20556587
National Anthem:Scotland - Flower of Scotland (Constituent Country of the United Kingdom, lyrics) [3:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YaHlR3jGFg
Tune is very pretty
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/statue-of-liberty-pont-de-grenelle
(music) Happy Birthday from the Caber Feidh Pipe Band [0:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N-ogA-aJYs
(Link to Your LLC2.0 Birthday Thread)- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/005670.html
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