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T O P I C R E V I E Wflorencethank you ami anne. i hope this works. tries again.oh, my question! my question is: can you see why there would be an attraction to sociopathic types and how this occurs - which elements stand out, if any, that i can work on with this. my energies feel very confused (especially in terms of feeling self-destruction) and i think it will help to find focus in the chart. florencehere is the chart with sedna and medusa included Ami AnneHello Florence dear I have gotten busy with some projects but I will be back, as soon as I can!------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/florencei don't mind waiting until whenever you can do it, i am just happy to have someone who can do the blending and clarify the relevant bits. Ami AnneSweetie Do a chart with dejanira--- no 57.------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneI see you have Deja on there. OKI see a few important things. Did you have a dad who was a strong source of pain to you? Do you feel you have to fins your identity and ego in partners( sun conj DSC Chiron conj Sun------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami Annesaturn conj the MC--super , super hard on yourself about how you appear to others and your career/success in the world Are you a driven task master on yourself?------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneOh dear I see it Sedna conj Chiron conj the Sun Did you have terrible betrayal from a Dad which hit super close to your ego. On top of this, do you feel you find your identity through men? ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneAnswer these questions, Sweetie, and I will be back!------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/florenceami anne, ty, i was so excited to see replies. i feel a very strong bond with my dad, we are very close - in nature, i could discuss anything with him. so sun-chiron descriptions confused me at first until i got to the part where the father can also represent a guru - that made complete sense to me. i do feel my dads pain strongly though, although he is a very functional person, i feel some wistful, sadness in his nature and protective towards that. with my career, i can make most sense of that in these terms - in a regular job, i feel very conscientious of work done translating into money so i have always tried to be productive. i now, lately, i feel i can only pursue work i care about (i suppose i either care about the work i do or i have to do work i care about) and i push myself hard in that - i am self-critical, but i think working to objective goals. my work is semi-academic and as with when i studied, i have to reach something new, not just churn out the already-done. so i measure myself by those standards which has had its own battles. re- chiron. i don;t know if this is why but i do feel pain disproportionate to how others seem to. florencei saw some questions i missed.betrayal is an in-built fear of mine and has been on my mind in relationships but with my dad i feel no pain with that. he did have an affair and very recently i discovered when i was young, possibly ever since but i only feel a mild disappointment that he doesn't seem to have sifted it through his morals. even if he sifted it through his morals and it came out not mattering but he seemed in some denial about how it might have changed the meaning of his relationship. but, apart from that i didn't feel betrayed, i suppose i felt it was a self-betrayal but it was a brief conversation it emerged and only lacking in congruency did it surface in my mind. apart from that i feel he is the most loyal person in my life. but i do attract situations in which it seems imperative i work out whether someone is for or against me so it seems like something that didn't manifest in my dad. with relationships, i do often feel i need to fit in with people - only recently do i realise not everyone does this and it has first injured and then healed my understanding of relationships. even with some healing though i think i do find comfort in a more passive and reflective role. Ami AnneWell, let me say this. The chart never lies. My feeling ( and it is just a feeling based on myself and people I counsel with) is that you may not be facing the level of betrayal you feel. Sun conj Chiron is a core level betrayal. Sedna in there adds to it, a great deal. Think on this for awhile and tell me what you think ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/florencewell, reading back what i wrote -- i feel i sound so defensive of it, i don't feel i represented it well. my dad is very liberal and gave me great independence to grow. he was always there, it was a good family environment - stable but free. and i always felt if there was any disbalance he loved my mum just a little more than she loved him (although my mum was just contained so i don't think that now). his brief affair emerged when my mums did and he was basically set up to make a husband jealous - i suppose i partly felt sorry for him that his one moment of rebellion had consequences. now, a few stories emerge and i think he was a flirt but still committed and in love with my mum, but i guess once or maybe more having a brief sex-thing. it's hard to explain because i can't help but just see it as both my parents being whole people, for the most part very committed but a couple of brief 70's induced tangents. it never affected my life. what i do feel upset about, but only really searching for it ...1. a recent discovery (the second to the set-up) which sounds like a drunken tussle at a party with a family friend, i do feel it is double-standards in that i know my dad would be jealous and feel injured (but would also get over it soon, too) so it is almost like not doing as one would like done to them but only with expecting, and having coming to expect rigorous fairness in him, that doesn't make sense. but i really feel no hurt2. kind of related, although he is a compassionate person i've realised he can't feel compassion beyond what he knows subjectively. i know now that he does have weakness and it is only because he is so generally forgiving, loving and understanding that that kicks back a little. i really can't feel pain in relation to my dad. he has always been there for me and i feel he always will. apart from these above scenarios i feel he has always been put upon. i have recently questioned how much that is cultivated because my grandma has a very pisces-regal sacrificial type of aura and maybe that passed down and i experience the result of that in my dad. i will keep thinking because i release how defensive it seems but it just seems so contrary to my experience. the sedna - i looked it up after you requested it and it rings very true for me. this week, i feel very sedna energies - i even cut my finger whilst trying to dispose of EDIT a sentimental object relating to someone i feel a sedna-theme with. (then i worried i would lose my finger if it got infected)ah, sorry for this detail. it's hard to be concise from the other side. florenceok, i think i have it because it explains betrayals i feel fearful of lately. i feel scared that a liberal attitude is encouraged as a cover, that it is fraudulent, just to enact primal urges. that is possibly the betrayal i feel - not the affairs but the cheating of beliefs, that they are the lie. i do not feel it strongly in my dad but i suppose examining that i am carrying it forward and wary of it.Ami AnneSweet One You can take your time. This stuff is heavy as heck! It i so very, very, very hard to face. No one should have to *sigh*It is the fallen world.I understand how hard it is. I do charts but when someone does mine, I get all freaked out ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/florencethank you, that really does help. actually, i feel really bad so it must have touched on something. it might be other matters but i have a feeling they are related. i will come back tomorrow and see how it falls. xedit.. it's really other matters that i am feeling bad but it feels a bit like when an elevator goes faster than the body so i wonder if some truth is here to mine, that will help me with other things. florenceami anne, i really cannot think of a strong betrayal from my father but every relationship i have had with a man has had a theme of betrayal around it (in some cases i am not even sure the betrayal exists, which is part of it for me) and these are increasingly stronger. each time i am utterly plastered across the floor. entirely consumed by it, don't feel i will recover. that is definitely to the core because i feel a splintering of my beliefs and reality. i suppose some of that could have been forged growing up. but i wonder if these themes can be latent for a long time and almost, out of their absence, come to the surface with force. apart from that any betrayal from my dad will have to be very unconscious - in which case i can't access it, or not have happened yet. could a father be sometimes be viewed more abstracted like god because me and god have fallen out a lot and deep. thinking on the sedna story, from what i recall of it -- maybe the man who promises her things but it turns out to be fake, maybe in that story the pain is not around the poverty of goods but the pretense - maybe that is what she tries to escape from. maybe she tries to return to a belief system she knows but that is not there either and instead she has to give up belief, that's when she finds some peace. i feel very injured in matters right now and so many aspects of the sedna story seem to fit. so many peculiar aspects too. unfortunately i don't feel i can talk about this but i am going to see what transits are occurring as am sure some aspect must be forming. florencei don't understand the speed of planets so not sure how close these actually are. but nessus is near my IC, neptune & chiron are near my n.dejanira, sedna is fairly close to n.venus and dejanira seems to be moving near or from n.nessus. these make some sense to me because neptune - illusion/dreamy and chiron pain near the dejanira in a childhood place, i think it is truth/illusion which is hurting me and the flavour of natal sun/chiron/sedna. many thanks for your help. i think i am understanding what particular aspects i might be playing out in going for sociopath-types, or possibly those types as i still feel very unsure. i don't seem to have any dejanira aspects other than a dej trine asc and nessus trine asc. do you have experience of how this might play out. Ami Anne quote:Originally posted by florence:ami anne, i really cannot think of a strong betrayal from my father but every relationship i have had with a man has had a theme of betrayal around it (in some cases i am not even sure the betrayal exists, which is part of it for me) and these are increasingly stronger. each time i am utterly plastered across the floor. entirely consumed by it, don't feel i will recover. that is definitely to the core because i feel a splintering of my beliefs and reality. i suppose some of that could have been forged growing up. but i wonder if these themes can be latent for a long time and almost, out of their absence, come to the surface with force. apart from that any betrayal from my dad will have to be very unconscious - in which case i can't access it, or not have happened yet. could a father be sometimes be viewed more abstracted like god because me and god have fallen out a lot and deep. thinking on the sedna story, from what i recall of it -- maybe the man who promises her things but it turns out to be fake, maybe in that story the pain is not around the poverty of goods but the pretense - maybe that is what she tries to escape from. maybe she tries to return to a belief system she knows but that is not there either and instead she has to give up belief, that's when she finds some peace. I feel very injured in matters right now and so many aspects of the sedna story seem to fit. so many peculiar aspects too. unfortunately i don't feel i can talk about this but i am going to see what transits are occurring as am sure some aspect must be forming. YES, Study the story, Sweetheart. That is the way to learn about yourself. Meditate on it and make it your own.I have Echo conj Saturn and echo is a big one for me!------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneI will come back and study some more. I have an article on Sedna that I will put up for you. You are doing great. This stuff is very, very painful ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneYou have not been back I see. Just checking ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/florencehello ami anne i was waiting until you posted the sedna information before replying again . i might not be back for a little while as i am moving house but i will look back in the future in case it is here thx once again, it really helped to have that input and so warm too xxAmi AnneSorry about the Sedna. I forgot. I am having remodeling, so am kind of messed up, too. I will do it, today! Good luck with your move!------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Ami AnneSorry I keep forgetting Google Sedna, Sweetie I am having remodeling done in my house and it is hard for me to keep track of everything. Google her story and come back and we will talk about it ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
oh, my question! my question is: can you see why there would be an attraction to sociopathic types and how this occurs - which elements stand out, if any, that i can work on with this. my energies feel very confused (especially in terms of feeling self-destruction) and i think it will help to find focus in the chart.
------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
I see a few important things. Did you have a dad who was a strong source of pain to you? Do you feel you have to fins your identity and ego in partners( sun conj DSC Chiron conj Sun
Are you a driven task master on yourself?
ty, i was so excited to see replies.
i feel a very strong bond with my dad, we are very close - in nature, i could discuss anything with him. so sun-chiron descriptions confused me at first until i got to the part where the father can also represent a guru - that made complete sense to me. i do feel my dads pain strongly though, although he is a very functional person, i feel some wistful, sadness in his nature and protective towards that.
with my career, i can make most sense of that in these terms - in a regular job, i feel very conscientious of work done translating into money so i have always tried to be productive. i now, lately, i feel i can only pursue work i care about (i suppose i either care about the work i do or i have to do work i care about) and i push myself hard in that - i am self-critical, but i think working to objective goals. my work is semi-academic and as with when i studied, i have to reach something new, not just churn out the already-done. so i measure myself by those standards which has had its own battles.
re- chiron. i don;t know if this is why but i do feel pain disproportionate to how others seem to.
betrayal is an in-built fear of mine and has been on my mind in relationships but with my dad i feel no pain with that. he did have an affair and very recently i discovered when i was young, possibly ever since but i only feel a mild disappointment that he doesn't seem to have sifted it through his morals. even if he sifted it through his morals and it came out not mattering but he seemed in some denial about how it might have changed the meaning of his relationship. but, apart from that i didn't feel betrayed, i suppose i felt it was a self-betrayal but it was a brief conversation it emerged and only lacking in congruency did it surface in my mind. apart from that i feel he is the most loyal person in my life. but i do attract situations in which it seems imperative i work out whether someone is for or against me so it seems like something that didn't manifest in my dad.
with relationships, i do often feel i need to fit in with people - only recently do i realise not everyone does this and it has first injured and then healed my understanding of relationships. even with some healing though i think i do find comfort in a more passive and reflective role.
my dad is very liberal and gave me great independence to grow. he was always there, it was a good family environment - stable but free. and i always felt if there was any disbalance he loved my mum just a little more than she loved him (although my mum was just contained so i don't think that now). his brief affair emerged when my mums did and he was basically set up to make a husband jealous - i suppose i partly felt sorry for him that his one moment of rebellion had consequences. now, a few stories emerge and i think he was a flirt but still committed and in love with my mum, but i guess once or maybe more having a brief sex-thing. it's hard to explain because i can't help but just see it as both my parents being whole people, for the most part very committed but a couple of brief 70's induced tangents. it never affected my life. what i do feel upset about, but only really searching for it ...
1. a recent discovery (the second to the set-up) which sounds like a drunken tussle at a party with a family friend, i do feel it is double-standards in that i know my dad would be jealous and feel injured (but would also get over it soon, too) so it is almost like not doing as one would like done to them but only with expecting, and having coming to expect rigorous fairness in him, that doesn't make sense. but i really feel no hurt
2. kind of related, although he is a compassionate person i've realised he can't feel compassion beyond what he knows subjectively. i know now that he does have weakness and it is only because he is so generally forgiving, loving and understanding that that kicks back a little.
i really can't feel pain in relation to my dad. he has always been there for me and i feel he always will. apart from these above scenarios i feel he has always been put upon. i have recently questioned how much that is cultivated because my grandma has a very pisces-regal sacrificial type of aura and maybe that passed down and i experience the result of that in my dad.
i will keep thinking because i release how defensive it seems but it just seems so contrary to my experience.
the sedna - i looked it up after you requested it and it rings very true for me. this week, i feel very sedna energies - i even cut my finger whilst trying to dispose of EDIT a sentimental object relating to someone i feel a sedna-theme with. (then i worried i would lose my finger if it got infected)
ah, sorry for this detail. it's hard to be concise from the other side.
i feel scared that a liberal attitude is encouraged as a cover, that it is fraudulent, just to enact primal urges. that is possibly the betrayal i feel - not the affairs but the cheating of beliefs, that they are the lie. i do not feel it strongly in my dad but i suppose examining that i am carrying it forward and wary of it.
actually, i feel really bad so it must have touched on something. it might be other matters but i have a feeling they are related. i will come back tomorrow and see how it falls.
x
edit.. it's really other matters that i am feeling bad but it feels a bit like when an elevator goes faster than the body so i wonder if some truth is here to mine, that will help me with other things.
i really cannot think of a strong betrayal from my father but every relationship i have had with a man has had a theme of betrayal around it (in some cases i am not even sure the betrayal exists, which is part of it for me) and these are increasingly stronger. each time i am utterly plastered across the floor. entirely consumed by it, don't feel i will recover. that is definitely to the core because i feel a splintering of my beliefs and reality. i suppose some of that could have been forged growing up. but i wonder if these themes can be latent for a long time and almost, out of their absence, come to the surface with force. apart from that any betrayal from my dad will have to be very unconscious - in which case i can't access it, or not have happened yet. could a father be sometimes be viewed more abstracted like god because me and god have fallen out a lot and deep.
thinking on the sedna story, from what i recall of it -- maybe the man who promises her things but it turns out to be fake, maybe in that story the pain is not around the poverty of goods but the pretense - maybe that is what she tries to escape from. maybe she tries to return to a belief system she knows but that is not there either and instead she has to give up belief, that's when she finds some peace.
i feel very injured in matters right now and so many aspects of the sedna story seem to fit. so many peculiar aspects too. unfortunately i don't feel i can talk about this but i am going to see what transits are occurring as am sure some aspect must be forming.
many thanks for your help. i think i am understanding what particular aspects i might be playing out in going for sociopath-types, or possibly those types as i still feel very unsure.
i don't seem to have any dejanira aspects other than a dej trine asc and nessus trine asc. do you have experience of how this might play out.
quote:Originally posted by florence:ami anne, i really cannot think of a strong betrayal from my father but every relationship i have had with a man has had a theme of betrayal around it (in some cases i am not even sure the betrayal exists, which is part of it for me) and these are increasingly stronger. each time i am utterly plastered across the floor. entirely consumed by it, don't feel i will recover. that is definitely to the core because i feel a splintering of my beliefs and reality. i suppose some of that could have been forged growing up. but i wonder if these themes can be latent for a long time and almost, out of their absence, come to the surface with force. apart from that any betrayal from my dad will have to be very unconscious - in which case i can't access it, or not have happened yet. could a father be sometimes be viewed more abstracted like god because me and god have fallen out a lot and deep. thinking on the sedna story, from what i recall of it -- maybe the man who promises her things but it turns out to be fake, maybe in that story the pain is not around the poverty of goods but the pretense - maybe that is what she tries to escape from. maybe she tries to return to a belief system she knows but that is not there either and instead she has to give up belief, that's when she finds some peace. I feel very injured in matters right now and so many aspects of the sedna story seem to fit. so many peculiar aspects too. unfortunately i don't feel i can talk about this but i am going to see what transits are occurring as am sure some aspect must be forming.
I feel very injured in matters right now and so many aspects of the sedna story seem to fit. so many peculiar aspects too. unfortunately i don't feel i can talk about this but i am going to see what transits are occurring as am sure some aspect must be forming.
YES, Study the story, Sweetheart. That is the way to learn about yourself. Meditate on it and make it your own.
I have Echo conj Saturn and echo is a big one for me!
i was waiting until you posted the sedna information before replying again . i might not be back for a little while as i am moving house but i will look back in the future in case it is here
thx once again, it really helped to have that input and so warm too xx
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