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T O P I C R E V I E WPlutoInScorpioHello everyone! About Saturn Charts i've read they can be really important to show your life directions untill the next Saturn Return. In my Saturn Return Chart my Sun is tighly conjunct Saturn. This worries me a bit, because my Saturn Return resulted in a motorcycle accident that left me for 4 months without walking (after a surgery and many bones broken).So, is this Sun+Saturn too gloomy? And I was thinking i had enough of it through my natal Saturn opposite Moon :PThe Saturn Return Chart MC is conjuct my natal Moon, and ASC conjunct my natal MC as well. Moon conjunct my natal North Node and Uranus exact same degree as natal Jupiter.SAT Chart link: http://ibb.co/JRbB1vH SAT Return Chart + Natal Chart synastry http://ibb.co/Kz7Lvfw Natal Chart only http://ibb.co/Rz8NybT PlutoInScorpioAnswering athenegoddess from other thread:My natal SAturn is conjunct my ASC and Uranus (6 º orb).Opposite Moon and ChironTrine JupiterSquare MCGrahamAs athenegoddess stated on that other thread - Saturn Return Charts have an influence on the chart owner for some 30 years.Think of yourself as living to the age of 84 ... thus experiencing 83 Solar Returns, 2 Saturn returns and 1 Uranus Return - all of which are mapping/"timing" the (ideal) unfolding of the potential in the Natal Chart. ... None of us will achieve that ideal - but the charts provide us with a pattern which reveals "where we are coming from" (Natal Chart) and "where we are aiming/intending to go to" (Uranus Return) in our current lifetime.And, of course, an 84-year old will also experience 6 Jupiter Returns; 40+ Mars Returns; 83+ Venus Returns; 83+ Mercury Returns and more than 1000 Moon/Lunar Returns. ... Yet, despite the existence of all these signposts/milestones, most people will experience the life events created by these cycles as "a series of unconnected dots" rather than as patterns of unfoldment that were programmed at birth (via the natal chart). GrahamAstro.com calculations give returning Saturn as being at your natal position from 03:23:41am (UT) to 03:27:03am (UT). ... So, use the latest time for the chart of the next 30 year cycle. ... Also, for clarity, use only 3 degree orbs and leave out asteroids (other than Chiron). PlutoInScorpioThank you, Grahan!How would you interpret the Axis switchs between natal and SAT return chart? SAT chart ASC being close to natal MC? Could one says I will focus more in MC area of my life now onwards?Graham quote:Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:Thank you, Grahan!How would you interpret the Axis switchs between natal and SAT return chart? SAT chart ASC being close to natal MC? Could one says I will focus more in MC area of my life now onwards?Think of the Angles as being windows through which you interact with the people in your world/society ... Asc = strangers : IC = family : Dsc = intimates : MC = colleagues.The sign/filter/way of interacting for all of those windows has now changed. ... So, a change ion the way you will interact with others, rather than a change of focus.However, the presence of Solar Return Chiron on the SR Dsc (and natal IC) will bring a change of focus - and a different type of psychological wound for you (although the natal wound of Chiron in Gemini/6th will never go away). This new wound (in Pisces/7th) is likely to result in a fear of being hurt by intimate others/partners - but it's purpose is to increase your ability to love others unconditionally.GrahamWhat particularly stands out for me is the activation of the natal Sun-Neptune-Pluto Yod, by the Mercury-Neptune-NN SR Ambivalence Triangle (aka "Easy Opposition Triangle') ... as that puts a focus on the unfolding of the Yod during the next 30 year Saturn cycle. ... And, moreover, the involvement of Neptune links this to the SR Chiron wound in Pisces - perhaps indicating that the purpose/objective/"promise" of your natal Sun in Gemini/6th is to become a poster-child (within your everyday social society) for demonstrating unconditional love. [This would fit perfectly with the evolutionary task of your Capricorn Neptune/Scorpio Pluto generation - which is to eliminate the taboos within society that are preventing humankind from becoming 'one nation'.]PlutoInScorpioWow, Graham,i'm really touched by your reading. Thank you! I'll be honest, I've been avoiding relationships and intimacy for a long long time. I always have had problems with that. It was always easier for me to rationalize and think that i didnt need this kind of experiences. But since the start of last year i changed my outlook entirely and started to date people with a purpose to be in a serious relationship. It was not an easy thing for me but i decided that i should go on no matter what.. So now i'm in love and dating someone, but it's a super uncomfortable situation for me, so different.. and the fear of being rejected is quite intense. I think my emotional bloquade has to do with Chiron conjuction Moon (as Saturn opposite it), natal Moon is House 8 ruler after all. I usually thought of natal Moon as being more in House 7 than in 6 though, because of the opposition to Uranus+ASC and conjuction to DSC and Mercury, but yes, not 3º orb.The Chiron in Saturn Return Chart fits my issues in relationships I guess.. and it squares Saturn+Sun+IC and MC as well.. I sense a great struggle looking a that.. especially knowing Chiron wounds never heal My YOD was always a mystery for me because I wasn't able to synthetize Neptune and Pluto significations with House 6 (interesting that Pluto trines my Mars (House 7) and Neptune trines my Venus (House 5) - though the orb is wide).Graham quote:I think my emotional bloquade has to do with Chiron conjuction Moon (as Saturn opposite it), natal Moon is House 8 ruler after all. I usually thought of natal Moon as being more in House 7 than in 6 though, because of the opposition to Uranus+ASC and conjuction to DSC and Mercury, but yes, not 3º orb.In the natal chart ... you have a 6th house Gemini Chiron-wounded-Moon (on 7th cusp) opposite a 12th house Sagittarius Saturn, making an Ambivalence Triangle with a 4th house Aries Jupiter (on cusp of 5th).I think of planets on the cusp of the next house as being akin to standing in the doorway between two adjoining rooms - about to leave (say) the dining room to (say) watch TV in the lounge, but having left a candle still burning in the dining room. So, in effect, there is unfinished business in the room/house which needs to be attended to before one can (safely) focus upon the business of the next room/house (although that is the business/activity where the person now wants to focus).So ... you were born with a Moon that wants to focus upon 7th house activities in the current lifetime, but has a 6th house matter that needs attending to before doing so ... And you were born with a Jupiter that wants to focus upon 5th house activities in the current lifetime, but has a 4th house matter that needs attending to before doing so. ... Chiron is telling you what that Moon-Jupiter matter is; Saturn is (responsibly) holding back Moon and Jupiter until the matter has been attended to; and all those SR aspects to the natal Moon/Chiron-Jupiter-Saturn are ensuring that the matter does indeed get attended to.PlutoInScorpioI like how clear and informative you are, Graham. I'm grateful!RandallThanks, Graham.RandallBump!RandallBump!RandallBump!RandallBump!
The Saturn Return Chart MC is conjuct my natal Moon, and ASC conjunct my natal MC as well. Moon conjunct my natal North Node and Uranus exact same degree as natal Jupiter.
SAT Chart link: http://ibb.co/JRbB1vH
SAT Return Chart + Natal Chart synastry http://ibb.co/Kz7Lvfw
Natal Chart only http://ibb.co/Rz8NybT
My natal SAturn is conjunct my ASC and Uranus (6 º orb).Opposite Moon and ChironTrine JupiterSquare MC
Think of yourself as living to the age of 84 ... thus experiencing 83 Solar Returns, 2 Saturn returns and 1 Uranus Return - all of which are mapping/"timing" the (ideal) unfolding of the potential in the Natal Chart. ... None of us will achieve that ideal - but the charts provide us with a pattern which reveals "where we are coming from" (Natal Chart) and "where we are aiming/intending to go to" (Uranus Return) in our current lifetime.
And, of course, an 84-year old will also experience 6 Jupiter Returns; 40+ Mars Returns; 83+ Venus Returns; 83+ Mercury Returns and more than 1000 Moon/Lunar Returns. ... Yet, despite the existence of all these signposts/milestones, most people will experience the life events created by these cycles as "a series of unconnected dots" rather than as patterns of unfoldment that were programmed at birth (via the natal chart).
How would you interpret the Axis switchs between natal and SAT return chart? SAT chart ASC being close to natal MC? Could one says I will focus more in MC area of my life now onwards?
quote:Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:Thank you, Grahan!How would you interpret the Axis switchs between natal and SAT return chart? SAT chart ASC being close to natal MC? Could one says I will focus more in MC area of my life now onwards?
The sign/filter/way of interacting for all of those windows has now changed. ... So, a change ion the way you will interact with others, rather than a change of focus.
However, the presence of Solar Return Chiron on the SR Dsc (and natal IC) will bring a change of focus - and a different type of psychological wound for you (although the natal wound of Chiron in Gemini/6th will never go away). This new wound (in Pisces/7th) is likely to result in a fear of being hurt by intimate others/partners - but it's purpose is to increase your ability to love others unconditionally.
i'm really touched by your reading. Thank you!
I'll be honest, I've been avoiding relationships and intimacy for a long long time. I always have had problems with that. It was always easier for me to rationalize and think that i didnt need this kind of experiences. But since the start of last year i changed my outlook entirely and started to date people with a purpose to be in a serious relationship. It was not an easy thing for me but i decided that i should go on no matter what.. So now i'm in love and dating someone, but it's a super uncomfortable situation for me, so different.. and the fear of being rejected is quite intense.
I think my emotional bloquade has to do with Chiron conjuction Moon (as Saturn opposite it), natal Moon is House 8 ruler after all. I usually thought of natal Moon as being more in House 7 than in 6 though, because of the opposition to Uranus+ASC and conjuction to DSC and Mercury, but yes, not 3º orb.
The Chiron in Saturn Return Chart fits my issues in relationships I guess.. and it squares Saturn+Sun+IC and MC as well.. I sense a great struggle looking a that.. especially knowing Chiron wounds never heal
My YOD was always a mystery for me because I wasn't able to synthetize Neptune and Pluto significations with House 6 (interesting that Pluto trines my Mars (House 7) and Neptune trines my Venus (House 5) - though the orb is wide).
quote:I think my emotional bloquade has to do with Chiron conjuction Moon (as Saturn opposite it), natal Moon is House 8 ruler after all. I usually thought of natal Moon as being more in House 7 than in 6 though, because of the opposition to Uranus+ASC and conjuction to DSC and Mercury, but yes, not 3º orb.
In the natal chart ... you have a 6th house Gemini Chiron-wounded-Moon (on 7th cusp) opposite a 12th house Sagittarius Saturn, making an Ambivalence Triangle with a 4th house Aries Jupiter (on cusp of 5th).
I think of planets on the cusp of the next house as being akin to standing in the doorway between two adjoining rooms - about to leave (say) the dining room to (say) watch TV in the lounge, but having left a candle still burning in the dining room. So, in effect, there is unfinished business in the room/house which needs to be attended to before one can (safely) focus upon the business of the next room/house (although that is the business/activity where the person now wants to focus).
So ... you were born with a Moon that wants to focus upon 7th house activities in the current lifetime, but has a 6th house matter that needs attending to before doing so ... And you were born with a Jupiter that wants to focus upon 5th house activities in the current lifetime, but has a 4th house matter that needs attending to before doing so. ... Chiron is telling you what that Moon-Jupiter matter is; Saturn is (responsibly) holding back Moon and Jupiter until the matter has been attended to; and all those SR aspects to the natal Moon/Chiron-Jupiter-Saturn are ensuring that the matter does indeed get attended to.
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