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T O P I C R E V I E WAQUACap88Hey Graham ❤️Long time no chat. My birthday has just passed recently. I'm wondering if you could tell me what I can look forward to this year/things to be careful of/pay more attention to?Its a really special year for me since it's my Jupiter return and also Saturn enters my Sun sign/12th house GrahamI have seen this request AQUACap, but cannot respond to it for a couple of days or so.GrahamIn the meantime ... can you please post your "natal + 2021/22 Solar Return Chart, with houses"AQUACap88Thank you so much Graham ❤️Natal + Solar Return 2020 http://imgur.com/OuYpl2N Natal + Solar Return 2021 http://imgur.com/D8BU3LsWhat does last year look like for me? It was such a hard year... on an emotional levelGraham quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88:Thank you so much Graham ❤️Natal + Solar Return 2020 http://imgur.com/OuYpl2N Natal + Solar Return 2021 http://imgur.com/D8BU3LsWhat does last year look like for me? It was such a hard year... on an emotional levelLast year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".GrahamNatal + Solar Return 2021/22 http://imgur.com/D8BU3Ls SR Taurus Mars in SR5th/N3rd is square Natal Aquarius Sun in SR2nd/N12th ... SR Aquarius Jupiter in SR2nd/N12th is conjunct Natal Sun ... SR Capricorn Pluto is conjunct Natal Venus in SR1st/N11th ... SR Aries Chiron in SR4th/N2nd opposes Natal Libra Mars in SR10th/N8th ... SR Aquarius Saturn is conjunct Natal Aquarius Uranus in SR1st/N12th ... SR Capricorn Venus is conjunct Natal Capricorn Neptune in SR1st/N11th.SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).GrahamProgressed Chart for 2021/22Aries+Saturn and Libra+Mars are respectively intercepted in the 1st and 7th houses of this chart this chart - which has Gemini on the 3rd+4th house cusps; Sagittarius on the 9th + 10th house cusps and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... in 2021/22 ... an issue in the 3rd+8th houses will adversely affect the 4th+10th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from making the most effective use of the positive qualities of Aries, Libra, Mars and Saturn._________________________________________________________________Progressed Pisces Sun is almost exactly square Progressed Sagittarius Pluto in this chart ... which is difficult in itself, but will be made especially so whenever a planet/point (from a progression,transit or chart of another person) passes through 19Aquarius30 to 21Aquarius30 - because it will form a temporary Thor's Hammer with your progressed Sun-Pluto square._________________________________________________________________And ... in the same way ... temporary yods will be created from your progressed Moon-Mercury qcx and Uranus-Saturn + Uranus-Pluto sextiles.Moreover, any point/planet passing through 19Virgo27 to 22Virgo01 will combine with your progressed Sun-Saturn semisextile to form a temporary poleaxe figure. ... (So, note that progressed Moon actually did pass through those degrees from 23rd October 2020 to 9th January 2021.) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html GrahamThis data then has to be put into the context of what is "promised" in the natal chart.AQUACap88Hi Graham, thanks for all these. I will go through them properly and contemplate tomorrow (Friday or the day after). I have just been too busy. Be right back with you AQUACap88 quote:Originally posted by Graham: Last year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".Hi Graham, last year was a very hard year for me as you've known. I uncovered tons of my childhood wounds through a heart break and wallowed in deep dark depression over a period of a few months, struggling in every aspect of my life. I can't say for sure I know what I learned, because the things I learned are things I always knew (i.e going through a similar lesson of e.g abandonment when I was a child, only to forget what it felt like and the lessons I took from it then get reminded of it again last year after having what felt like my soul ripped out). Basically if I have to describe what I feel now, it would be I have once again found the child in me that is always crying, found myself again, (or maybe got placed back on the right path) and as I try to placate her, soothe myself, I feel I am finally "walking on" rather than slapping a plaster on something, pretend it doesn't exist and then lose myself completely. Afterall, it is our past that makes us who we are now right? Graham quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88: Hi Graham, last year was a very hard year for me as you've known. I uncovered tons of my childhood wounds through a heart break and wallowed in deep dark depression over a period of a few months, struggling in every aspect of my life. I can't say for sure I know what I learned, because the things I learned are things I always knew (i.e going through a similar lesson of e.g abandonment when I was a child, only to forget what it felt like and the lessons I took from it then get reminded of it again last year after having what felt like my soul ripped out). Basically if I have to describe what I feel now, it would be I have once again found the child in me that is always crying, found myself again, (or maybe got placed back on the right path) and as I try to placate her, soothe myself, I feel I am finally "walking on" rather than slapping a plaster on something, pretend it doesn't exist and then lose myself completely. Afterall, it is our past that makes us who we are now right? I have seen this, AQUACap ... and will reply asap tomorrow.AQUACap88 quote:Originally posted by Graham: I have seen this, AQUACap ... and will reply asap tomorrow.Alright Graham ❤️No hurry, as it is Monday and I foresee myself busy as well xx GrahamPosted earlier, by Graham :- quote:Last year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".The natal planets being activated by the SR Chart are Moon, Venus, Chiron and Neptune. ... So, it is the natal "promise" of those bodies that we need to look at to identify what the 2020/21 SR Chart was impelling you to learn.And in the natal chart, we see that Moon+Chiron is in a learning triangle with Jupiter + Saturn - and that triangle is modified by a Venus-Neptune conjunction (in Virgo/11th).So, the natal promise of that modified triangle was the focus of your 2020/21 SR Chart "lesson".__________________________________________________________________When analysing a learning triangle, the first thing to note is the direction in which the energy of the aspects flow ... starting at the blue/red corner; moving to the red/green corner; then to the green/blue corner and finally back to the blue/red corner. ... So, in your natal learning triangle, the aspect energy flow is Jupiter -> Moon/Chiron -> Saturn ->Jupiter - and its direction is clockwise (i.e.. backwards through the zodiac signs.)This tells us that the lesson of the triangle will take a long time (probably years) to learn ... whereas an anti-clockwise flow indicates that the lesson will be learned quickly (because progressions and transits to the natal planets occur in the "right"/natural activation sequence, of problem/square -> thinking/qcx -> solution/sextile.You should spend some time making sure that you understand this concept/theory of clockwise/anti-clockwise aspect energy flow, as it will help you to understand your natal chart (and its derivatives).For now though, you need only bear in mind that the lesson of your Jupiter/Moon+Chiron/Saturn triangle is likely to take a long time to learn.__________________________________________________________________ In your natal learning triangle :-1. the problem aspect is Jupiter in Aquarius/12th square (Chiron-wounded) Moon in Scorpio/8th. ... So, the "hidden psychological enemy" (12th) that prevents you from "enjoying social activity" (Aquarius Jupiter) is a focus upon "what others think" (8th) about your "emotional intensity" (Scorpio Moon) ... and that has been made worse by "feedback received from people during childhood" (Chiron).2. the thinking/solution-seeking aspect is the Moon+Chiron qcx to Saturn in Aries/1st. ... BUT, your natal Saturn is afflicted by its opposition to natal Mars in unassertive Libra/8th house - manifesting as a lack of confidence/belief in yourself (caused by events in childhood and producing symptoms of depression and ill-health). ... So, when this Saturn thinks about the Jupiter-Moon problem/square, its "solution" is to sink into depression. (Thus numbing the emotional pain of the Moon.)3. the solution-implementing aspect is the sextile from Saturn to Jupiter. ... But the "solution" being presented to Jupiter is "depression numbs the pain". And the 2020/21 SR Chart was impelling you to learn that "depression is NOT an option/solution". So, with all that in mind, note now how transformational natal Pluto - in optimistic/Jupiterian Sagittarius and 9th house of personal development - turns your Mars-Saturn aspect into an "easy" opposition, via a trine and sextile.AND THEN, note that ... 2021/22 SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).Graham quote:Originally posted by Graham:[b]Natal + Solar Return 2021/22 http://imgur.com/D8BU3Ls SR Taurus Mars in SR5th/N3rd is square Natal Aquarius Sun in SR2nd/N12th ... SR Aquarius Jupiter in SR2nd/N12th is conjunct Natal Sun ... SR Capricorn Pluto is conjunct Natal Venus in SR1st/N11th ... SR Aries Chiron in SR4th/N2nd opposes Natal Libra Mars in SR10th/N8th ... SR Aquarius Saturn is conjunct Natal Aquarius Uranus in SR1st/N12th ... SR Capricorn Venus is conjunct Natal Capricorn Neptune in SR1st/N11th.SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).[/B]So, that natal Venus-Neptune modification to the natal Learning Triangle is the focus of the 2021/22 SR Chart. ... And there is also a focus upon your natal Mars-Saturn-Uranus-Pluto bathtub figure. ... However, since Saturn is the only planet that is in both of these natal figures, my guess is that the SR events from your 24th to 25th birthdays will change the "solution" (to the Learning Triangle problem/square). that your Saturn has been habitually passing to Jupiter. Graham quote:Originally posted by Graham:[b]Progressed Chart for 2021/22Aries+Saturn and Libra+Mars are respectively intercepted in the 1st and 7th houses of this chart this chart - which has Gemini on the 3rd+4th house cusps; Sagittarius on the 9th + 10th house cusps and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... in 2021/22 ... an issue in the 3rd+8th houses will adversely affect the 4th+10th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from making the most effective use of the positive qualities of Aries, Libra, Mars and Saturn._________________________________________________________________Progressed Pisces Sun is almost exactly square Progressed Sagittarius Pluto in this chart ... which is difficult in itself, but will be made especially so whenever a planet/point (from a progression,transit or chart of another person) passes through 19Aquarius30 to 21Aquarius30 - because it will form a temporary Thor's Hammer with your progressed Sun-Pluto square._________________________________________________________________And ... in the same way ... temporary yods will be created from your progressed Moon-Mercury qcx and Uranus-Saturn + Uranus-Pluto sextiles.Moreover, any point/planet passing through 19Virgo27 to 22Virgo01 will combine with your progressed Sun-Saturn semisextile to form a temporary poleaxe figure. ... (So, note that progressed Moon actually did pass through those degrees from 23rd October 2020 to 9th January 2021.) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html [/B]From the pointers we have gleaned from the 2020/21 and 2021/22 SR Charts ... we can now see that these progressed chart interceptions and duplications relate to your natal Learning Triangle - bringing events that will transform the "solution" provided to Jupiter by Saturn.And how/why will that happen? ... Via the feedback you will receive from others when those temporary Yods, Thor's Hammer and Poleaxe configurations are activated.AQUACap88Hi Graham, I feel so attacked by this quote:1. the problem aspect is Jupiter in Aquarius/12th square (Chiron-wounded) Moon in Scorpio/8th. ... So, the "hidden psychological enemy" (12th) that prevents you from "enjoying social activity" (Aquarius Jupiter) is a focus upon "what others think" (8th) about your "emotional intensity" (Scorpio Moon) ... and that has been made worse by "feedback received from people during childhood" (Chiron).2. the thinking/solution-seeking aspect is the Moon+Chiron qcx to Saturn in Aries/1st. ... BUT, your natal Saturn is afflicted by its opposition to natal Mars in unassertive Libra/8th house - manifesting as a lack of confidence/belief in yourself (caused by events in childhood and producing symptoms of depression and ill-health). ... So, when this Saturn thinks about the Jupiter-Moon problem/square, its "solution" is to sink into depression. (Thus numbing the emotional pain of the Moon.)3. the solution-implementing aspect is the sextile from Saturn to Jupiter. ... But the "solution" being presented to Jupiter is "depression numbs the pain". You cannot be more right. In fact you succinctly and eloquently expressed my deep rooted issue, my coping mechanism and the reason why it works.Last year when I was facing problems with "losing myself" then "regaining myself" again along with myriad of issues such as my chronic feeling of being inadequate, sinking into depression has as a matter of fact, always been my go-to coping mechanism. Simply because it "numbs the pain".It has been my go-to coping mechanism for as long as I remember, I remember feeling melancholy even before I was 8. My real issues with depression was when that chronic feeling turned into apathy and total numbness. I was so numbed out emotionally, even physical sensations were rather dull. I resorted to classic signs/symptoms of people with depression e.g cutting, anorexia after I was 13+ since that was the only way for me to feel "human". Feel something, anything. (^ thats actually a very common cycle for me. When I turned legal - 18, a few months after recovering from my eating disorder, I drank every single day to numb the pain. Until I couldn't feel anything anymore. Some time when by and somehow I found myself desperately binge drinking just to FEEL something, anything. To feel depressed or to cry, I was so desperate. I just wanted to FEEL. Toxic cycle)Typing it out, I think my problem isEmotional pain -> hurt myself until I'm numb -> Too numb -> hurt myself again to un-numb myself -> try my best to reach equilibrium where I am numb enough that internally it doesn't hurt, but not too numb that I can't feel at all. With my 20-21 SR being focused on changing that solution, I see it too. What I said in my previous post, after falling into depression then finding myself yet remaining depressed but in a different way. In a way that is "home" to me, making me feel like myself again hence back on the right track. Regardless, that was still depression. I didn't do anything to get myself out of the situation, but I have to thank my lucky stars for still allowing me to land my dream job and somehow kept up my grades (it was so so so hard). I think my Jupiter return began the start of that change in solution. Feeling like that change is possibly sinking into depression -> finding a purpose and meaning in each day, in my life. I think my coping mechanism is changing from depression to workaholism since either ways it numbs. Maybe that is another issue. AQUACap88What are these? Thor's Hammer and Poleaxe configurationsGraham quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88:What are these? Thor's Hammer and Poleaxe configurationsThe Poleaxe is a triangular figure, with an apex planet that is 165 degrees from each of the two planets in the (semi-sextile) base. ... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html The Thor's Hammer is a triangular figure, with an apex planet that is 135 degrees from each of the two planets in the (square) base. ... http://aliceportman.com/thors-hammer/ GrahamOriginally posted by AQUACap88 :- quote:With my 20-21 SR being focused on changing that solution, I see it too. What I said in my previous post, after falling into depression then finding myself yet remaining depressed but in a different way. In a way that is "home" to me, making me feel like myself again hence back on the right track. Regardless, that was still depression. I didn't do anything to get myself out of the situation, but I have to thank my lucky stars for still allowing me to land my dream job and somehow kept up my grades (it was so so so hard). I think my Jupiter return began the start of that change in solution.Feeling like that change is possibly sinking into depression -> finding a purpose and meaning in each day, in my life.I think my coping mechanism is changing from depression to workaholism since either ways it numbs. Maybe that is another issue.The 2021/22 SR and Progressed Charts are active NOW. ... So, by monitoring the events created by them, you can identify "what needs to be done" to change the solution being given to natal Jupiter by natal Saturn.
Long time no chat. My birthday has just passed recently. I'm wondering if you could tell me what I can look forward to this year/things to be careful of/pay more attention to?
Its a really special year for me since it's my Jupiter return and also Saturn enters my Sun sign/12th house
Natal + Solar Return 2020 http://imgur.com/OuYpl2N
Natal + Solar Return 2021 http://imgur.com/D8BU3Ls
What does last year look like for me? It was such a hard year... on an emotional level
quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88:Thank you so much Graham ❤️Natal + Solar Return 2020 http://imgur.com/OuYpl2N Natal + Solar Return 2021 http://imgur.com/D8BU3LsWhat does last year look like for me? It was such a hard year... on an emotional level
Last year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).
This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.
But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".
SR Taurus Mars in SR5th/N3rd is square Natal Aquarius Sun in SR2nd/N12th ... SR Aquarius Jupiter in SR2nd/N12th is conjunct Natal Sun ... SR Capricorn Pluto is conjunct Natal Venus in SR1st/N11th ... SR Aries Chiron in SR4th/N2nd opposes Natal Libra Mars in SR10th/N8th ... SR Aquarius Saturn is conjunct Natal Aquarius Uranus in SR1st/N12th ... SR Capricorn Venus is conjunct Natal Capricorn Neptune in SR1st/N11th.
SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).
Aries+Saturn and Libra+Mars are respectively intercepted in the 1st and 7th houses of this chart this chart - which has Gemini on the 3rd+4th house cusps; Sagittarius on the 9th + 10th house cusps and Pluto in the 9th house.
So ... in 2021/22 ... an issue in the 3rd+8th houses will adversely affect the 4th+10th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from making the most effective use of the positive qualities of Aries, Libra, Mars and Saturn._________________________________________________________________
Progressed Pisces Sun is almost exactly square Progressed Sagittarius Pluto in this chart ... which is difficult in itself, but will be made especially so whenever a planet/point (from a progression,transit or chart of another person) passes through 19Aquarius30 to 21Aquarius30 - because it will form a temporary Thor's Hammer with your progressed Sun-Pluto square._________________________________________________________________
And ... in the same way ... temporary yods will be created from your progressed Moon-Mercury qcx and Uranus-Saturn + Uranus-Pluto sextiles.
Moreover, any point/planet passing through 19Virgo27 to 22Virgo01 will combine with your progressed Sun-Saturn semisextile to form a temporary poleaxe figure. ... (So, note that progressed Moon actually did pass through those degrees from 23rd October 2020 to 9th January 2021.) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html
Be right back with you
quote:Originally posted by Graham: Last year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".
Hi Graham, last year was a very hard year for me as you've known. I uncovered tons of my childhood wounds through a heart break and wallowed in deep dark depression over a period of a few months, struggling in every aspect of my life. I can't say for sure I know what I learned, because the things I learned are things I always knew (i.e going through a similar lesson of e.g abandonment when I was a child, only to forget what it felt like and the lessons I took from it then get reminded of it again last year after having what felt like my soul ripped out). Basically if I have to describe what I feel now, it would be I have once again found the child in me that is always crying, found myself again, (or maybe got placed back on the right path) and as I try to placate her, soothe myself, I feel I am finally "walking on" rather than slapping a plaster on something, pretend it doesn't exist and then lose myself completely. Afterall, it is our past that makes us who we are now right?
quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88: Hi Graham, last year was a very hard year for me as you've known. I uncovered tons of my childhood wounds through a heart break and wallowed in deep dark depression over a period of a few months, struggling in every aspect of my life. I can't say for sure I know what I learned, because the things I learned are things I always knew (i.e going through a similar lesson of e.g abandonment when I was a child, only to forget what it felt like and the lessons I took from it then get reminded of it again last year after having what felt like my soul ripped out). Basically if I have to describe what I feel now, it would be I have once again found the child in me that is always crying, found myself again, (or maybe got placed back on the right path) and as I try to placate her, soothe myself, I feel I am finally "walking on" rather than slapping a plaster on something, pretend it doesn't exist and then lose myself completely. Afterall, it is our past that makes us who we are now right?
I have seen this, AQUACap ... and will reply asap tomorrow.
quote:Originally posted by Graham: I have seen this, AQUACap ... and will reply asap tomorrow.
Alright Graham ❤️No hurry, as it is Monday and I foresee myself busy as well xx
quote:Last year ... SR Taurus Uranus in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) opposed Natal Scorpio Moon in SR 1st (+ natal 8th) ... And SR Aries Moon in SR 7th (+ natal 2nd) squared Natal Capricorn Venus in SR 4th (+ natal 11th).This was made even more difficult by SR Capricorn Saturn being conjunct natal Venus + SR Chiron being conjunct natal Saturn in Aries SR 6th (+ natal 1st). ... And it was not helped by SR Uranus opposing Natal Chiron and squaring Natal Jupiter.But ... given that the 2020/21 Solar Return is over ... the questions which you now need to ask/answer are "what was the 2020/21 SR impelling me to learn" and "what did I actually learn from the events created by the 2020/21 SR".
The natal planets being activated by the SR Chart are Moon, Venus, Chiron and Neptune. ... So, it is the natal "promise" of those bodies that we need to look at to identify what the 2020/21 SR Chart was impelling you to learn.
And in the natal chart, we see that Moon+Chiron is in a learning triangle with Jupiter + Saturn - and that triangle is modified by a Venus-Neptune conjunction (in Virgo/11th).
So, the natal promise of that modified triangle was the focus of your 2020/21 SR Chart "lesson".__________________________________________________________________
When analysing a learning triangle, the first thing to note is the direction in which the energy of the aspects flow ... starting at the blue/red corner; moving to the red/green corner; then to the green/blue corner and finally back to the blue/red corner. ... So, in your natal learning triangle, the aspect energy flow is Jupiter -> Moon/Chiron -> Saturn ->Jupiter - and its direction is clockwise (i.e.. backwards through the zodiac signs.)
This tells us that the lesson of the triangle will take a long time (probably years) to learn ... whereas an anti-clockwise flow indicates that the lesson will be learned quickly (because progressions and transits to the natal planets occur in the "right"/natural activation sequence, of problem/square -> thinking/qcx -> solution/sextile.
You should spend some time making sure that you understand this concept/theory of clockwise/anti-clockwise aspect energy flow, as it will help you to understand your natal chart (and its derivatives).
For now though, you need only bear in mind that the lesson of your Jupiter/Moon+Chiron/Saturn triangle is likely to take a long time to learn.__________________________________________________________________
In your natal learning triangle :-
1. the problem aspect is Jupiter in Aquarius/12th square (Chiron-wounded) Moon in Scorpio/8th. ... So, the "hidden psychological enemy" (12th) that prevents you from "enjoying social activity" (Aquarius Jupiter) is a focus upon "what others think" (8th) about your "emotional intensity" (Scorpio Moon) ... and that has been made worse by "feedback received from people during childhood" (Chiron).
2. the thinking/solution-seeking aspect is the Moon+Chiron qcx to Saturn in Aries/1st. ... BUT, your natal Saturn is afflicted by its opposition to natal Mars in unassertive Libra/8th house - manifesting as a lack of confidence/belief in yourself (caused by events in childhood and producing symptoms of depression and ill-health). ... So, when this Saturn thinks about the Jupiter-Moon problem/square, its "solution" is to sink into depression. (Thus numbing the emotional pain of the Moon.)
3. the solution-implementing aspect is the sextile from Saturn to Jupiter. ... But the "solution" being presented to Jupiter is "depression numbs the pain".
And the 2020/21 SR Chart was impelling you to learn that "depression is NOT an option/solution".
So, with all that in mind, note now how transformational natal Pluto - in optimistic/Jupiterian Sagittarius and 9th house of personal development - turns your Mars-Saturn aspect into an "easy" opposition, via a trine and sextile.
AND THEN, note that ... 2021/22 SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).
quote:Originally posted by Graham:[b]Natal + Solar Return 2021/22 http://imgur.com/D8BU3Ls SR Taurus Mars in SR5th/N3rd is square Natal Aquarius Sun in SR2nd/N12th ... SR Aquarius Jupiter in SR2nd/N12th is conjunct Natal Sun ... SR Capricorn Pluto is conjunct Natal Venus in SR1st/N11th ... SR Aries Chiron in SR4th/N2nd opposes Natal Libra Mars in SR10th/N8th ... SR Aquarius Saturn is conjunct Natal Aquarius Uranus in SR1st/N12th ... SR Capricorn Venus is conjunct Natal Capricorn Neptune in SR1st/N11th.SR Saturn is trine Natal Mars, and sextile Natal Sagittarius Pluto in SR11th/N9th (but on cusps of SR12th/N10th).[/B]
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So, that natal Venus-Neptune modification to the natal Learning Triangle is the focus of the 2021/22 SR Chart. ... And there is also a focus upon your natal Mars-Saturn-Uranus-Pluto bathtub figure. ... However, since Saturn is the only planet that is in both of these natal figures, my guess is that the SR events from your 24th to 25th birthdays will change the "solution" (to the Learning Triangle problem/square). that your Saturn has been habitually passing to Jupiter.
quote:Originally posted by Graham:[b]Progressed Chart for 2021/22Aries+Saturn and Libra+Mars are respectively intercepted in the 1st and 7th houses of this chart this chart - which has Gemini on the 3rd+4th house cusps; Sagittarius on the 9th + 10th house cusps and Pluto in the 9th house.So ... in 2021/22 ... an issue in the 3rd+8th houses will adversely affect the 4th+10th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent you from making the most effective use of the positive qualities of Aries, Libra, Mars and Saturn._________________________________________________________________Progressed Pisces Sun is almost exactly square Progressed Sagittarius Pluto in this chart ... which is difficult in itself, but will be made especially so whenever a planet/point (from a progression,transit or chart of another person) passes through 19Aquarius30 to 21Aquarius30 - because it will form a temporary Thor's Hammer with your progressed Sun-Pluto square._________________________________________________________________And ... in the same way ... temporary yods will be created from your progressed Moon-Mercury qcx and Uranus-Saturn + Uranus-Pluto sextiles.Moreover, any point/planet passing through 19Virgo27 to 22Virgo01 will combine with your progressed Sun-Saturn semisextile to form a temporary poleaxe figure. ... (So, note that progressed Moon actually did pass through those degrees from 23rd October 2020 to 9th January 2021.) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html [/B]
Moreover, any point/planet passing through 19Virgo27 to 22Virgo01 will combine with your progressed Sun-Saturn semisextile to form a temporary poleaxe figure. ... (So, note that progressed Moon actually did pass through those degrees from 23rd October 2020 to 9th January 2021.) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html [/B]
From the pointers we have gleaned from the 2020/21 and 2021/22 SR Charts ... we can now see that these progressed chart interceptions and duplications relate to your natal Learning Triangle - bringing events that will transform the "solution" provided to Jupiter by Saturn.
And how/why will that happen? ... Via the feedback you will receive from others when those temporary Yods, Thor's Hammer and Poleaxe configurations are activated.
quote:1. the problem aspect is Jupiter in Aquarius/12th square (Chiron-wounded) Moon in Scorpio/8th. ... So, the "hidden psychological enemy" (12th) that prevents you from "enjoying social activity" (Aquarius Jupiter) is a focus upon "what others think" (8th) about your "emotional intensity" (Scorpio Moon) ... and that has been made worse by "feedback received from people during childhood" (Chiron).2. the thinking/solution-seeking aspect is the Moon+Chiron qcx to Saturn in Aries/1st. ... BUT, your natal Saturn is afflicted by its opposition to natal Mars in unassertive Libra/8th house - manifesting as a lack of confidence/belief in yourself (caused by events in childhood and producing symptoms of depression and ill-health). ... So, when this Saturn thinks about the Jupiter-Moon problem/square, its "solution" is to sink into depression. (Thus numbing the emotional pain of the Moon.)3. the solution-implementing aspect is the sextile from Saturn to Jupiter. ... But the "solution" being presented to Jupiter is "depression numbs the pain".
You cannot be more right. In fact you succinctly and eloquently expressed my deep rooted issue, my coping mechanism and the reason why it works.Last year when I was facing problems with "losing myself" then "regaining myself" again along with myriad of issues such as my chronic feeling of being inadequate, sinking into depression has as a matter of fact, always been my go-to coping mechanism. Simply because it "numbs the pain".It has been my go-to coping mechanism for as long as I remember, I remember feeling melancholy even before I was 8. My real issues with depression was when that chronic feeling turned into apathy and total numbness. I was so numbed out emotionally, even physical sensations were rather dull. I resorted to classic signs/symptoms of people with depression e.g cutting, anorexia after I was 13+ since that was the only way for me to feel "human". Feel something, anything.
(^ thats actually a very common cycle for me. When I turned legal - 18, a few months after recovering from my eating disorder, I drank every single day to numb the pain. Until I couldn't feel anything anymore. Some time when by and somehow I found myself desperately binge drinking just to FEEL something, anything. To feel depressed or to cry, I was so desperate. I just wanted to FEEL. Toxic cycle)
Typing it out, I think my problem isEmotional pain -> hurt myself until I'm numb -> Too numb -> hurt myself again to un-numb myself -> try my best to reach equilibrium where I am numb enough that internally it doesn't hurt, but not too numb that I can't feel at all.
With my 20-21 SR being focused on changing that solution, I see it too. What I said in my previous post, after falling into depression then finding myself yet remaining depressed but in a different way. In a way that is "home" to me, making me feel like myself again hence back on the right track. Regardless, that was still depression. I didn't do anything to get myself out of the situation, but I have to thank my lucky stars for still allowing me to land my dream job and somehow kept up my grades (it was so so so hard). I think my Jupiter return began the start of that change in solution.
Feeling like that change is possibly sinking into depression -> finding a purpose and meaning in each day, in my life.
I think my coping mechanism is changing from depression to workaholism since either ways it numbs. Maybe that is another issue.
quote:Originally posted by AQUACap88:What are these? Thor's Hammer and Poleaxe configurations
The Poleaxe is a triangular figure, with an apex planet that is 165 degrees from each of the two planets in the (semi-sextile) base. ... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241788.html
The Thor's Hammer is a triangular figure, with an apex planet that is 135 degrees from each of the two planets in the (square) base. ... http://aliceportman.com/thors-hammer/
quote:With my 20-21 SR being focused on changing that solution, I see it too. What I said in my previous post, after falling into depression then finding myself yet remaining depressed but in a different way. In a way that is "home" to me, making me feel like myself again hence back on the right track. Regardless, that was still depression. I didn't do anything to get myself out of the situation, but I have to thank my lucky stars for still allowing me to land my dream job and somehow kept up my grades (it was so so so hard). I think my Jupiter return began the start of that change in solution.Feeling like that change is possibly sinking into depression -> finding a purpose and meaning in each day, in my life.I think my coping mechanism is changing from depression to workaholism since either ways it numbs. Maybe that is another issue.
The 2021/22 SR and Progressed Charts are active NOW. ... So, by monitoring the events created by them, you can identify "what needs to be done" to change the solution being given to natal Jupiter by natal Saturn.
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