posted November 02, 2008 12:12 PM         

I'm Virgo with it in the 5th house. It trines my Midheaven, but that's about it - no Ptolemeic aspects.
I'm wondering if anyone else has any peregrine planets/luminaries, and what their experiences have been.

And I was also curious about synastry...I wonder how 'comfortable' a peregrine planet would feel when making an aspect (esp. a harder one) with someone else's in synastry.
I would imagine something like my Sun freaking out if something like Saturn were messing with it maybe? I wonder if it makes peregrine more sensitive to outer contact, or less sensitive....

I always thought my sun was in a way weaker because it was without aspects. Asides from the sun, I've got nothing else in Virgo in my chart. So Virgo feels very 'alien' to me sometimes, and I guess at times I kind of feel alien myself

posted November 02, 2008 12:57 PM         

Uranian theme seems to be dominant in my life

but I also have

Uranus in midpoint aspects:
conjunct Mercury/Ascendant - '36
oppose Mars/Saturn - '13
semisquare Venus/Jupiter - '15
sesquiquadrate Moon/Mars - '45

I have Uranus involved in an 11th harmonic syndrome with Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Ascendant.

Uranus Nodal Aspects
(Geocentric,Heliocentric)

Geocentric South Uranus Node in 12'04 Sagittarius in 4th:
conjunct my Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius/oppose Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini - '50
square Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo

Geocentric North Uranus Node in 15'46 Gemini in 10th
trine Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
trine Vertex in 14'58 Aquarius in 5th

I also have the Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 14'03 Gemini/Sagittarius:
square Ascendant - '36
trine/sextile Uranus - '14

so there is no telling that the unaspected Uranus theory holds true or not in my case because of my strong Uranus Nodal influence,Midpoint influence,11th harmonic Harmonic Syndrome

posted November 02, 2008 01:27 PM         

The orbs for aspects are hotly debated in Astrology. It can be very subjective

The orbs that I use for ptolemaic aspects

conjunction,opposition - 8 degrees
square,trine - 6 degrees
sextile - 4 degrees
with Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven, I'd consider adding 2 degrees.

also with the newest discoveries of other objects in our solar system, things can get complicated

I am considering giving Ceres just as much weight as Pluto...same with Eris

then there are the other dwarf planets,Haumea and Makemake, Sedna as well as even Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion
(all those are in the Kuiper Belt with Pluto and Eris)
I actually have those much stronger in my chart by aspect than Pluto.

the discovery of the Kuiper Belt which originated with the discovery of Pluto but the 2nd Kuiper Belt object discovered 60 years after that with whole flood of discoveries of objects in that region really opened up a can of worms...especially when Eris was discovered,and it was found to be larger than Pluto forcing the astronomers to debate what constitutes a planet and that of course led to Pluto and Ceres classed as dwarf planets along with Eris. Pluto was demoted and Ceres promoted - both equals now in Astronomy, but not in Astrology.

if the dwarf planets, Ceres and Eris were given as much weight as fellow dwarf planet,Pluto

then

Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th
sextile my Uranus in 15'17 Libra

Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in my 8th
oppose my Uranus in 15'17 Libra

then my Uranus wouldn't be peregrine

I am thinking of giving them as much weight as Pluto.

I don't count Chiron as anything major because there are over 40 other centaurs including over 10 that have names.

also midpoint configurations could account for aspects that are out of orb
for example...I have Venus conjunct Neptune with 10 degree orb, but I Mars square Venus/Neptune midpoint and Neptune square Venus/Midheaven midpoint

declinations can too - I have Venus parallel Neptune

its for the individual astrologer to decide what orbs to use. Like I said before, they are very subjective.

Keep in mind that Ptolemy used aspects by sign and not by geometrical angle like modern astrologers use now
Kepler opened up a can of worms when devising minor aspects with considering harmonics
the outerplanets weren't known during that time. Most Vedic Astrologers,Classical Astrologers,Rennaissance Astrologers don't even use outer planets.

Harmonic Astrologers use orbs in proportion to the harmonic.

I am getting more and more into focusing more on geometry and harmonics. I really like modern stuff.

posted November 02, 2008 01:53 PM         

Oh wonderful (being sarcastic here), a peregrine Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house with an exact quinkunx to Saturn in the 8th house, with a mutual housereception (Moon rules 8th house and is in 2nd house; SAturn rules 2nd house and is in 8th house).

posted November 02, 2008 03:39 PM         

I found this, though, about the degrees:
http://books.google.com.eg/books?id=Z0nnE2IP7A4C&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=peregrine+sun+astrology&source=bl&ots=Ir5Bn9Ffz7&sig=fVcfFZUTRx51pf3gfeQe8cucLfQ&hl=ar&sa=X&oi=book_result&resn um=2&ct=result

don't know if it helps.

posted November 02, 2008 03:58 PM         

Peregrine is actually a planet without any dignity as in in not exalted,at home,in detriment,nor in fall

but Noel Tyl applies that term just to ptolemaic unaspected planets and believe that run away with the horoscope.

Because the astrologers of the old times used aspects by sign and not geometrical angle, then Noel Tyl's view of peregrine wouldn't work.