posted October 21, 2004 03:50 AM              

"Saturn in 12th House -

According to Paulus this was one of the better positions for Saturn if it was also a diurnal chart and in a masculine sign. Paulus states: 'And it will always make those who previal over their enemies and oppress them, and those who are proudly confident in their own work.'

At first, this seemed counter intuitive to me, thinking that Saturn here would make secret enemies powerful. But it then made sense to me that Saturn in the 12th house dignified and in sect exposes the evil of secret enemies. It does not allow them to scheme in darkness undetected because in the daytime there is none, and Saturns cold and dry (and dark) nature is turned into its opposite. There is also the issue of
'being proudly confident in their work'.

This can be explained by the principle of neglect that Saturn represents. This is because in a diurnal chart, neglect is minimized and becomes thoroughness. If Saturn also has strong dignity, it can mean a lifetime of service being rewarded by an increase in status. I would expect similar and better things to be the case if Saturn was lord of this place and/or dignified, and above the horizon.

Valens was not as positive about this position of Saturn, saying: '...will produce great injuries and calamities...'. Valens did not specify the chart sect. However, if Saturn is out of sect here (or debilitated and afflicted), it shows neglect, an avoidance of responsibility, and difficulty in budgeting time.

Some might suggest that this comes from a past lifetime of shirking some important responsibility or possibly an abuse of power. Depression, unreasonable phobias are likely possibilities, which could lead to abject circumstances if taken to the extreme."

"Saturn in Virgo -

Saturn is fairly well-placed in Virgo and the native can be expected to have an orderly, critical, and analytical mind. He will have an original and capable intellect, one that is suited to deal with profound subjects. He should be warned that the serious tendency in his nature may sometimes produce melancholy or gloom if it is not controlled.

There is a strong will power, considerable firmness of character and the native will not be easily swayed once his mind is made up."

"Ascendant in Virgo -

with a key phrase of: Efficiency.

One of your better qualities is your self-deprecating nature. You are often willing to put others first and are generally quite content to take on a low-profile role, in which you concentrate on getting everyday life to function smoothly for all concerned. You are both critical and self-critical, and may often feel that life is hard work - a never-ending stream of tasks waiting to be done. In contrast your partners seem to let things just flow along in a disorganised, even lazy manner. This is of course a natural consequence of your own over-diligent manner, in which you tend to take on the duties of others.