posted June 21, 2005 12:47 PM            

Zala brought up a very interesting point concerning this summer solstice... secrets / walls and breaking down the barriers.

Has anyone experienced this situation over the past couple of days, especially with the Cancer now in the solar position and it's ruler, the Moon in Sagittarius conjuncting Pluto?

Personally, I had one of the best talks in the world with Mr. Taurus. While the Moon and Pluto are conjuncting my natal Sun / Venus in the 4th house, they are also conjuncting his Natal Neptune in his 7th house. We started our conversation while making dinner and it continued throughout the night. BUT, there was no anger, no hurt feelings, just this overall feeling of love and respect. We actually SHARED without our defensive walls going UP. That is sometimes hard for us to do.

Our secret fears or issues came to light, but we didn't feel vulnerable talking about them. I hardly slept, but I feel invigorated, like we passed this milestone.

Whereas some are afraid of breaking down those walls or structures, I wonder if the energy I am already familiar with from Pluto (connjunct my ASC) helped me maintain a control over emotions while being able to talk about my vulnerabilities?

Pluto on the Sun (Transit) from astro.com:

"During this time you can work to remove old outworn structures in your own life and in the lives of those around you, so that all of you can experience a new life. But you must observe two limitations. First, this influence gives tremendous drive and energy, but only for the elimination of the truly old and outworn, not for doing anything you want. And second, it is a transcendental influence. Therefore its energies are not easily harnessed to the purposes of unenlightened egotism. What you do with this influence should be for the eventual betterment of everyone around you, not just yourself. You are the steward of this energy, not the owner. If you use it for purely selfish ends, you will provoke such furious opposition that you will eventually be unable to do anything. You may even experience violence at the hands of others who desperately try to stop you. Similarly, if you use this energy to remove structures that are not yet ready to pass away, you will be unable to make progress. This influence signifies the need to replace an old, inferior state of being with a new and truly superior state. It does not just arbitrarily replace one with another. "

Did anyone else see this Pluto / Moon transit conjunction affect their communication / relationships?

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Better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
Andre Gide

"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted June 22, 2005 12:38 AM            

You're so articulate, your words really strike a chord in me whenever I read them (even in Choke the Sagittarians!).....

Thanks for sharing the experience of your building-blocks of trust with you and Mr. T (speaking of trust, did you read the Pluto in the 7th thread? And where's Mr. T's Pluto?). I find I have been pushing the envelope in conversations with my friends, but that's about the extent of it. No structures around me have collapsed or been remodeled, at least that I can see under the Cancerian shells/veils!

posted June 22, 2005 01:15 PM            

Thank you so much for the compliment. That means alot...especially since I have a ton of respect for you and always look forward to your posts.

Mr. T has his Pluto in Libra in his 5th house. It makes up one leg of his T-square with his Jupiter in Aries in the 12th house and his Venus / Saturn in cancer in his 2nd and 3rd house.

As if that was not enough, he is also a Taurus rising, so Venus is the ruler of his chart.... which in our synastry opposes my chart ruler, Mercury in Cappy in my first (I can honestly say... he completes me... or at least my T-square and I complete his T-square...Scary..LOL)

posted June 22, 2005 01:30 PM            

Thanks for your kind words.
One Pluto in the 5th comin' right up! Be a little while, have to run the software.....

posted June 23, 2005 04:04 PM            

I am happy for you and your family. Don't you hate the tension that arises when dealing with the fuedal issues? Sometimes you want to reach out and talk to the people that are considered "off limits" yet you are torn by loyalty.

I am sorry you have someone you love that is going through a sickness. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

posted June 23, 2005 07:06 PM              

I don't know what's come over my Taurus mother this week, but she's been a lot more vocal then she has been in years. She actually got angry at my Sag father and told him off which is totally out of character for her. My dad has transiting Pluto exactly conjunct his Sun!! So tPluto would also be opposite Uranus, trine Pluto and Saturn in his chart too. I really don't want to find out anything bad about him, but my mother is angry for some reason, is only just getting started because the accusations she's making don't make sense.

I just checked my mom's chart for the first time, and to my surprise she has an Aries moon, but it's opposite neptune, and square uranus. Transiting pluto is exactly trine her pluto, sextile her neptune, trine her moon...but opposite her jupiter..and should be exactly opposite later this year.

posted June 23, 2005 07:43 PM            

We had another long talk yesterday before he left for TX for his instructor school. I was apprehensive because when he was in NCO training for 3 months (Jan-March) it was horrible. I wasn't working, I was alone and he was buried. My problem was that he had weekends that he blew with his buddies and pretty much put me on the shelf. In his mind, I should have understood because of all the pressures in his situation. In my mind, he should have understood my position of being left in a town where I barely knew anyone and I was not working (and finally I found an excellent job...after he got back).

We almost starting to argue, it came out that I had planned on leaving him and went so far as to pack up my stuff. Then he said "Yeah, well, I thought I was going to break things off with you too". I am not sure how much of that is real or him saying it to just try to make me feel the hurt that he was feeling about me almost leaving. His statement led my already curious mind to ask lots of questions 'Why did you think about breaking up? Why didn't you? What made you change your mind? How could you not tell me?" He could have asked the same and I would have answered, his made no sense "You irritated me. I wanted to see how things went when I came back. I could not break things off with you because.... well, you stopped being do irritating". LMAO... I knew what he really wanted to say "No, I never wanted to break things off, you just hurt the hell out of me telling me that you thought about leaving. I could never break up with you because I love you so much" To which I would have said "I could not imagine me leaving you either because I love you so much..." Hug / cry...ewwwie mushpot heads LOL

Things are much different now. I am working my dream job, traveling and I have a nice core group of friends. It will bite with him gone, but it will pass quickly (I leave for Guadalajara before he gets back so we'll get to see each other again in August).

I find myself in a bit of a position like your mom - having to bite my tongue most of the time because he doesn't seem to see what he does, but he is quick to point out my little idiosynchrasies (which I was able to point out in our discussions).

Whatever the case with your parents, it sounds serious enough that your mom is throwing out accusations (they may not make sense now, but they are probably rooted in something substantial to her, but that Moon / Uranus thing often ends up confusing manners of communication.

posted June 23, 2005 09:39 PM              

She's been arguing that my father's ruined her life, that he's a tyrant, and that he belittles everything she does. This got my father's attention. He's become humbled by it, he's actually listening to her and taking her seriously. In the past any time she expressed her opinions or any signs of negative or even jealous emotions, he would ignore it, make light of it, or ask her if she needed to see a shrink. Unfortunately, I think my father learned this behaviour from my grandfather, bless his soul, he was a very wonderful, giving and hardworking man, but he didn't treat his wives with much respect, to say the least. The other day I was acting as a mediator, because the random accusations my mother was throwing out were totally off the wall. After their little tiff, things got better. Today my mother is in a better mood, and my father is more understanding.

I think this Pluto transit is going to be a positive thing for my father in the long run. My father who's been working a regular 5 day a week job, plus overtime for years, has a new and odd working schedule leaving him with more free time at home, to spend with his family. And he finally got a cell phone this year too ...even though he's an engineer, he's way behind in day to day technology. So now my mother can get ahold of him whenever she wants to . I read somewhere you're b-day is the 16th. My father is born the day before, on the 15th. and my mother is born on the 1st of May. When's your Mr. T's b-day?

posted June 23, 2005 10:50 PM            

What an inscrutable comment?!? Do you feel like expanding on it at all?

posted June 24, 2005 03:27 PM            

Mr. T's b-day is May 19th (He has a Virgo moon, Merc in Gemini, Saturn / Venus in Cancer).

I think the problem in your dad's ability to just shrug it off or advise to get a shrink is also a man thing. Mr. T has told me a few times that he feels helpless when he cannot find a solution to a problem. I have to remind him "Baby, I don't always need a solution. Sometimes I just need for you to hug me and tell me it's okay for me to feel a certain way".