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a_cancer_to_us_all unregistered
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posted November 30, 2005 08:22 PM
Is there such an aspect as a double grand cross with 8 planets/asteroids/etc. forming perfect semisquares to each other. I ask because my chart has my - asc/venus/nnode, sun, moon, juno, saturn, neptune, jupiter, and part of fortune forming almost exact semisquares with each other. The exception saturn being a few degrees off but enough to notice its effects. any insights?------------------ - someday we will find our way................ someday - IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 997 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 30, 2005 08:56 PM
to the forum, a_cancer_to_us_all!Wow, what fascinating aspect pattern! I've never heard of this before, but I bet there might be a few people here with this..... You might try posting a thread to Tim Wilson, I bet he'd be interested in looking at your chart. Or try his forum at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreeAstrologicalChartConsultation/ 'Zala IP: Logged |
fayte.m unregistered
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posted November 30, 2005 09:19 PM
a_cancer_to_us_all!!! WELCOME! So what is your birthdate? And male or female?
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posted November 30, 2005 09:52 PM
i'm a dood. june twenty two, 85. how do i get in touch with this tim wilson guy?IP: Logged |
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posted November 30, 2005 09:53 PM
Thank you for the welcome star fayte =)------------------ - someday we will find our way................ someday - IP: Logged |
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posted November 30, 2005 10:54 PM
forgot... 2:58am pst for my birthtime. you kinda need that lol.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 997 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 01, 2005 07:27 AM
a_cancer ~To get in touch with Tim (he's wilsontc at this site) click the link in my post above, register at his forum, then you can post there 'Zala IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 10:55 AM
Cancer,Indeed I am interested in this chart...it sounds fascinating! For your reference, it is helpful to those who want to create the chart (personally, I have to see a chart to understand it...long lists of aspects simply confuse me!) to give your birth information in the format: Month Day, Year XX:XX AM/PM City County/Province State/Country From the information you give, it sounds like you have a Grand Semi-square aspect. All this means is that you have ONE aspect which links all the way around your chart (e.g., Grand Trine = linking trines, Grand Sextile = linking sextiles, Grand Square = linking squares, etc.). Personally, I don't use minor aspects, asteroids, or Part of Fortune, so I wouldn't look at this as an aspect pattern in your chart. But, since you do, it indicates that you can strongly "tap into" semi-square energy...whatever that is! In my analysis I would probably focus more on the Grand Square (presuming there is one formed WITHOUT Juno and the Part of Fortune), and see this as an intense FOCUS of energy on combining the four planetary energies involved in the Grand Square. It is also useful to see which houses are affected by the Grand Square. There are three types of houses: Action houses (1, 4, 7, 10) Security houses (2, 5, 8, 11) Learning houses (3, 6, 9, 12) (also called Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable, but I like the Action, Security, Learning terms better). Your Grand Square most likely falls into all Action, Security, or Learning houses. Whichever type of houses it falls into determines the type of challenge you need to accomplish with your energies. So if your Grand Square falls into Action houses you need to take action, in Security houses you need to build security, and in Learning houses you need to learn from your experiences. Final note, commonly in aspect patterns astrologers do NOT use the points (i.e., Asc, Desc, MH, Nadir, North node, South node). However, I have found that points can be used in aspect patterns, although this lessens the intensity of the aspect pattern. Hopefully that is enough to get you started on your astrological self-exploration! Explaining, Tim ------------------ For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc
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posted December 01, 2005 12:30 PM
lets see. i have venus, the moon, jupiter and saturn in one grand cross aspect. then i have the sun/mars, neptune, p of f, and juno in the other one. i have noticed both of these configurations having effects in my life with the former being a more external influence and the latter being a more internal influence. If that makes any sense?------------------ - someday we will find our way................ someday - IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 12:34 PM
Birth Info June 22, 1985 2:58am pst arcadia, ca usaIP: Logged |
Devilfish unregistered
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posted December 01, 2005 01:17 PM
i am interested in more info. on grand trines,crosses too.for me its hard to grasp the total meaning of it it all in regards to the right action to take. according to astro.com i have: T-Square from Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" Grand Cross with Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" to Plu: 5Lib45'19" to Grand Cross with Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Sat: 28Gem02'03" to Plu: 5Lib45'19" to T-Square from Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Eas: 2Cap10'14" Grand Trine with Mer: 29Aqu01'53" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Ura: 26Lib59'04" Grand Trine with Ven: 10Aqu30'38" and Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Plu: 5Lib45'19" Grand Trine with Ven: 10Aqu30'38" and Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Ves: 14Lib30'11" Stellium with Ven: 10Aqu30'38" and Cer: 18Aqu27'08" and Jun: 15Aqu16'51" Grand Trine with Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Plu: 5Lib45'19" and Jun: 15Aqu16'51" Grand Trine with Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Cer: 18Aqu27'08" and Ves: 14Lib30'11" Grand Trine with Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Jun: 15Aqu16'51" and Ves: 14Lib30'11" T-Square from Jup: 1Pis48'49" to Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Nep: 9Sag36'47" Grand Trine with Jup: 1Pis48'49" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Ura: 26Lib59'04" Grand Trine with Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Ura: 26Lib59'04" and Cer: 18Aqu27'08" T-Square from Ura: 26Lib59'04" to Pal: 28Cap21'21" and Ver: 29Can27'11" T-Square from Plu: 5Lib45'19" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" T-Square from Plu: 5Lib45'19" to Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Eas: 2Cap10'14" T-Square from For: 10Pis08'59" to Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Nep: 9Sag36'47"
WITHOUT asteroids ect./ T-Square from Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" Grand Cross with Sun: 25Pis17'28" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" to Plu: 5Lib45'19" to Grand Trine with Mer: 29Aqu01'53" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Ura: 26Lib59'04" Grand Trine with Ven: 10Aqu30'38" and Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Plu: 5Lib45'19" T-Square from Jup: 1Pis48'49" to Mar: 9Gem28'41" and Nep: 9Sag36'47" Grand Trine with Jup: 1Pis48'49" and Sat: 28Gem02'03" and Ura: 26Lib59'04" T-Square from Plu: 5Lib45'19" to Moo: 0Cap24'12" and Sat: 28Gem02'03"
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posted December 01, 2005 01:55 PM
Cancer,Your Grand Cross falls mainly into Action houses, indicating that you are motivated to take action in your life, possibly as a leader of some sort. Using my system of only looking at planets and points, there is only one Grand Cross in your chart. I can also see an "internal" influence in your chart without needing to look for a second grand cross. Most of your energy is on the bottom of your chart, so you focus on your inner world more than the outer world. However, as mentioned, the Grand Cross will tend to force you to take action both in the inner and outer worlds. Charting, Tim ------------------ For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 02:06 PM
devilfish,It is difficult for me to see the chart patterns from this descriptive text. Please give your birth information in the format: Month Day, Year XX:XX AM/PM City County/Province State/Country and I will be able to get a better idea of your chart. Trying to help, Tim ------------------ For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 02:08 PM
*editedthanks! IP: Logged |
a_cancer_to_us_all unregistered
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posted December 01, 2005 02:35 PM
Thanks much Timmy =)------------------ - someday we will find our way................ someday - IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 03:45 PM
devilfish,You have two kite aspects, a Grand Square, and a T-Square. One kite is focused at Neptune (spirituality, also confusion) focused in the 12th house (spirituality, also confusion) and the other kite is focused at Moon (home, also emotions) focused in the 1rst house (being). The Grand Square is in or near Action houses. The T-square is focused on Jupiter (expansion) conjunct (energy is combined with) Mercury (thinking, also deatils) focused in the 3rd house (thinking, also details). The kites show the importance of connecting in spiritually and personally with your emotions, although this may be confusing. The Grand Square is a motivator for taking action in your life. The T-square focuses you on trying to get as many details as possible, although sometimes you may gather many more details than you actually need or can use. With Sagittarius (expansion, also wisdom) modifying North node (future goals) focused in the 1rst house (being), the life challenge is to learn as much about yourself as you can. Charting, Tim ------------------ For information on basic astrological chart interpretation see: http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc IP: Logged |
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posted December 01, 2005 06:08 PM
wow!Thank you so much Tim! i never realized i had two kites alotta food for thought what interest me also is that im a pisces sun with a sag asc. and my neptune and jupiter are in mutual recep. im sure that makes those aspects even more intense ,huh? im very spiritual, and confused about it too, lol i feel like driftwood. i have a hard time tryin to sythesize what all this means. i want to find balance/peace within.i cant seem to realize an approppriate outlet for my energies.if that makes any kinda sense. IP: Logged |
a_cancer_to_us_all unregistered
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posted December 01, 2005 10:44 PM
try using that energy in art. i know i would.------------------ - someday we will find our way................ someday - IP: Logged |
Devilfish unregistered
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posted December 02, 2005 08:27 AM
Thanks for the suggestion cancer.i have dabbled in art a little and i enjoyed it. how do you focus the energy in your grand cross? IP: Logged |
a_cancer_to_us_all unregistered
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posted December 02, 2005 12:43 PM
Through music. I play alot of different instruments, write, draw. That could be from my sun opp neptune though.IP: Logged |
Devilfish unregistered
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posted December 02, 2005 09:10 PM
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funkyaquarianpixie unregistered
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posted December 03, 2005 12:44 PM
i have found jewellery making to be a good way to channel thru the hard parts of having a t square with venus opposition saturn, venus square a fire singleton neptune (groans) and that same neptune squaring Saturn. Its one of the few artforms I do which actually pleases the Virgo stellium. (where saturn is a part) Pixie IP: Logged |
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posted December 09, 2005 09:47 AM
thats cool funky. i keep thinkin about this thread ......... i think my passion is knowledge, i love it. i can study for hours upon hours if it has to do with science,health, the mind or the spirit. the irony? i never even graduated high school....... and i homeschool my kids too............... eccentric, huh?IP: Logged | |