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missneptune
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posted April 05, 2006 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had issues with being shy, my whole life, can anyone tell me if anything in my chart could verify my shyness? http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=vaqfileQKD0d6-u1135752956

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boo
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posted April 05, 2006 08:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be cos your pisces moon wrestles with your leo sun. Your pisces moon wanting a chilled life and feeling guilty that the lion in you wants the opposite.

It could circumstances called for you to take responsibilty in your life and being shy is your excuse not to.

Whatever it may be try and visualise what it would be like if you had all the confidence in the world. Oh, how cool things would be.

Now accept that you are shy and get out of your own way. Do all the things you fear cos at the end of the day the worst thing that can happen is you go back to the way you were.

Believe me it is scary. For me the scariest thing was by far was taking responsibilty for my life in my hands. but I can imagine no other way for things to be now.

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wilsontc
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posted April 06, 2006 01:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune,

Since you have Saturn (duty, also restriction, structure, authority) focused in the first house (being, also action), you may feel restricted in your ability to take actions in some way. In addition, your Saturn opposes Venus (relationships) focused in the 7th house (relationships), indicating you could also feel restricted in relationships.

The challenge is to structure yourself and your actions, to take responsibility for your actions and work at structuring relationships with others. Not all relationships will be worth all this work, but some will be. As you get older and discover your maturity, you will most likely start to become an authority, first over yourself and then, over others.

It is normal for people with a strong Saturn to fell restricted when they are young. However, once they get older and more mature, they get to be the authority they always were!

Saturnally yours,

Tim

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Mannu
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posted April 06, 2006 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am no expert at charts. My opinion is your chart is awesome. You are undergoing a psychological problem more than anything I saw

Your north node seems to be in cancer (home loving, introvert, quiet)

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WaterNymph
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posted April 06, 2006 05:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I was gonna say, Saturn’s in your first

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missneptune
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posted April 06, 2006 05:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your advice, the saturn thing seems to be very true, and I am battling myself all the time, that pisces and leo combo, is quite difficult at times. I want to especially say thanks to Boo your advice helped alot!

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Blue M
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posted April 06, 2006 09:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
missneptune,

I was extremely shy, right up until even after college. I could not buy a candy bar at the store I was so shy. I would ask my friends to buy it for me. I almost never spoke unless I needed to around people I did not know. Everyone thought I was on valium.

After graduating college I started working with the public on a daily basis. Now I am an extrovert talking constantly to people one on one, not afraid of anything. Of course I was in sales and the job required me to get over my shyness.

At times I find myself extremely shy in a group. Almost pertified.

The late night talk show host Johnny Carson was very shy. He said he did not display his shyness on his show because that was the only time he was in control.

You are very young and I though I am not an astrologer and cannot give you any info regarding your aspects I do believe with your life experiences you will gain more confidence and become more extrovert. Not necessarily and extreme extrovert but I was the same way at your age.

I hope some of this helps.


Blue M

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jkxx
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posted April 06, 2006 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
missneptune,

you have the moon in pisces (very sensitive) sextiling neptune (yet more sensitivity) trining pluto (makes your feelings powerful so they seem to 'explode' inside you sending shrapnel all over the place at times..) - this combo shows that you're unconsciously terrified (to the point of feeling paralyzed) by the sheer intensity of your feelings and of the implied vulnerability you perceive.

Apart from this there is a 1st house saturn - 7th house venus opposition that doesn't play well with your sign placements (gemini venus would like to go out and have fun but saturn demands maturity and commitment). Can't say for sure, but for one reason or another not many relationships cross your path and you're never quite sure why.

I'd agree with Tim and blue; saturn loosens its influence as you get older. Trust me, once you're out of high school, the worst will be behind you. Once you're placed in a more mature environment you'll start feeling right at home and things will work out in all ways they have not been so far.

P.S. Have patience. Speed is not one of saturn's virtues

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astroleolady
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posted April 07, 2006 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Missneptune,

Neptune, Pisces and the 12th house rule shyness and the urge to escape.

You have Neptune in your first house, which makes a sextile to your Moon in Pisces in your 3rd house of how you communicate. Moon in Pisces further emphasizes your need to escape and to hide. The ruler of your 3rd is in your 1st, meaning you have a need to communicate, but you are hesitant to and possibly lack the confidence to do so.

Your Neptune and Moon are inconjunct your Sun/Mercury conjunction in Leo in your 8th house -- forming a Yod. This conjunction in the 8th makes you very deep, secretive and reserved -- intensely so. You like to and have a need to think, communicate and investigate, but you may hold back and keep too much to yourself.

Neptune squares your Librian MC, possibly making you insecure. Mars in it's own sign of Aries squares your first house Neptune, adding fuel to the escapism fire. The Mars/MC opposition forms a Cardinal t-square with your Neptune in Capricorn on the corner of it.

Scorpio rules your 12th house adding intensity and secretiveness to your subconscious demeanor. You maybe your own worst enemy by not opening up to others and letting them into your life. The ruler of the 12th is in the 11th house of friends and hopes & wishes. This can bring in idealism, escapism and cloudiness into those areas of your life. With Pluto in the 11th, friendships are intense and deep for you. It's all or nothing. This attitude may push others away and leave you alone. This Pluto adds further intensity to your Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 8th by way of a square. You have a need to keep in control and to be secretive.

Saturn in your first can make you seem shy, standoffish and cool to others. It forms a tight opposition to your Venus in Gemini in your 7th house. You may seem shy, unaffectionate and distant in your face-to-face relationships with others - business partners and mates. Venus in Gemini can make you appear detached and fickle.

As you age and have your first Saturn return at approximately 28 to 30 years of age, you'll discover a maturity to help you overcome your shyness. I know beating shyness can be tough. I have a Moon/Neptune conjunction in Scorpio in my 6th. My Saturn in the only elevated planet in my chart and forms the pointer of a Yod and the handle of my fan pattern. Eventually, you'll find an inner strength you never knew you had.

Good luck to you!

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hot_ice
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posted April 07, 2006 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~SNIP!~

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hot_ice
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posted April 07, 2006 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah,I know how you feel,i was just too damn shy when I was a kid,you'll get over it,dont worry..yeah I got saturn in my first,venus in my 6th(almost seventh house,on the fringes) and they oppose each other too..

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missneptune
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posted April 07, 2006 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astroleolady pointed out something that I seem to have an issue with, being able to start up new friendships.But at the same time I feel I am adaptable with hanging out by myself, which used to really be a problem for me. My friends tend to blow me off, because I am such a one on one person, I hate hanging out in groups!I end up becoming invisible in large groups...

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CapGirl
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posted April 07, 2006 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow- MissNeptune and Tjkk, this is interesting stuff... as the guy I've been trying to win over for almost 2 years, has moon conjunct neptune AND sextile pluto, and neptune sextile pluto! I have known him to be shy but yet he's so goodlooking and charming too at times, that I just haven't always believed in his shyness. And the paralyzing fear as to vulnerability and rejection mentioned explains ALOT.

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Blue M
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posted April 07, 2006 07:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Missneptune,

Please don't feel badly. You will definitely blossom in your own time. I know exactly how you feel. Accept yourself as you are, be an individual, don't try to be like anyone else.

I so feel your pain. I too have a Moon in Pisces and a Venus in Gemini.

I am glad you have adapted to hanging out with yourself. You will be the best friend you will ever have. Remember that!

I used to be and I still am a one on one person. I don't really like talking in groups but I am better at it than when I was your age. I also feel invisible. It doesn't mean that you are.

Somethings you don't totally overcome but you adjust and learn to deal with them better.

Don't beat up on yourself. I hope I don't sound to preachy but this is something I can totally relate to. There is nothing wrong with you. You are unique. Shy people have so many talents, speaking may not be one of them but with alone time you can cultivate so much more.

I do a lot of reading and I am also a writer. Shy people are creative.

Celebrate your individuality. One thing I have embraced and that is the fact that I am different. Now that I am older I like it.

Take Care,
Blue M

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sd09
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posted April 07, 2006 08:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
have same issues too http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=cg7fileewNzZy-u1104297727 why?

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Kat
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posted April 08, 2006 12:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,
I agree with Mannu. With Sag rising and your upbeat Sun, I think this is more of a life's phase rather than a lifetime dilemma. How old are you? 18?? you're just starting out in life and so much is ahead of you that you have yet to experience. You are just starting to learn who you are and haven't had the opportunity to learn how you would react in certain situations - so shyness and lack of confidence clouds your brilliant reality. I don't see how any of the first house planets would contribute toward shyness. Rest assured that as you move forward in life and realize your strenghts your shyness will dissolve. shyness is just a false fear that you can easily overcome by taking small steps and easy risks. You think your shy but you really this is a false impression you have about yourself.

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astroleolady
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posted April 08, 2006 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astroleolady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some Astrological links on shyness:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/astrology/shyastr1.htm

Astrologers on Shyness

Even success, if it is too much too fast, can be harmful to Virgo, who needs to keep his scale small and simple; he can get out of his depth when things get too grand, too opulent, too highly charged with emotion. It is like trying to grow a shy, shadow-loving plant in the full glare of the sun. - Dennis Elwell, Aquarius

A retrograde planet often leaves the speck of an individual's personality tinged with shyness or backwardness... Such a planetary function often possesses extraordinary depth and sensitivity. Retrogradation above all leads to independence.... planet is a gold mine of fresh ideas, but they are buried deeply. - Steven Forrest

Saturn on the other hand appears to be fearful, timid and shy. It is a matter of temperament. The Saturnian influence causes a nervous tension and a tendency towards restraint and reserve which looks like fear; but after the first shock the Saturnian man will pull himself together and stand his ground quite fearlessly. - Alan Leo, Leo

Pisces in particular has a tendency to emotional extreme. Pisces can be self-deprecating, self-pitying, or a self-denying martyr. But it is also compassionate, with an instinctive empathy with outcasts and underdogs. It is a sign that invariably forgives. There can be a shy, passive, retiring nature, it values solitude more than any other sign. - Paul Wright

http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/astrology/shyceo1.htm

On Shyness
~ Interpretations by C.E.O. Carter ~

Shyness is a form of Sensitiveness and is to some extent connected with too pronounced a consciousness of the self. It is also to some degree analogous with suspicion and timidity.
Astrologically the usual indications are Saturnian-lunar afflictions in some form or other, and a lack of the positive elements in the map. Cancer is especially shy, and just as the lunar influence is strongest in childhood and then grows weaker, so adults usually grow out of their shyness. Besides Cancer, Virgo is often extremely shy, and the same is sometimes found in Scorpio or Pisces children.
- C.E.O. Carter in An Encyclopaedia of Psychological Astrology

http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/astrology/shykw1.htm

Sensitivity & Shyness
~ Related Astrological Keywords ~
In the Rulership Book Rex E. Bills gives following keywords for sensitivity, shyness and related concepts:

embarrassment: (Saturn, Moon)
hermitages: Pisces
hermits: Saturn
impressionability: Moon, Neptune, Mercury
isolation: Saturn
loneliness: Saturn, XII
receptivity: Moon
sensibility: Neptune
sensitivity, those highly sensitive: Neptune, Pisces (Moon, Cancer, Aquarius)
sensitivity: Neptune, Pisces (Moon, Cancer, Aquarius)
sensitization: (Neptune)
shame: (Saturn)
shyness: Saturn
solitaire: Venus, Saturn
solitude, enforced: Neptune
solitude, places of: Saturn, XII
timidity Moon: (Saturn)

http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/astrology/mayo71.htm

The Planet of Sensitivity
~ Jeff Mayo on Neptune ~

We look especially to Neptune in the birth-chart for the key to necessary sensitivity and potential subtlety and fineness of feeling, taste, or thought. This is the function within the psyche through which man may develop a sensitiveness that can contribute to his experiencing rare moments of inspiration, and through which he will feel the need to elevate himself in thought and behaviour - what some might term "spiritual upliftment". Neptune symbolizes the archetype of perfection.

Neptune symbolizes a sensitively impressionable, emotionally-charged part of man. ... [Neptune's] primary function: Refinement. Definitions: To achieve refinement in terms of sensitivity of feeling and subtlety of behaviour, aesthetic appreciation, creative fulfilment, based on spiritual and humane values as opposed to materialistic values ...

A need through the sensory mechanisms and the most sensitive perceptive faculties to seek experience beyond and detached from all material form and structure ... tending to be very impressionable and susceptible to environmental influences ... A need to bring oneself and one's environmental conditions to a more perfect state; to develop culture, subtlety, and to be free from rudeness, coarseness, or vulgarity.

The Neptunian type of sensitivity can only be creative and usefully applied if the individual is allowed freedom to recognize and to develop his own unique potential through this function. The Neptunian-sensitive person ... [is] vulnerable ... to environmental pressures and conflicts that can precipitate disorganization, chaos, confusion, and abnormal states of anxiety and neuroses. It is no exaggeration when it is said that the division between genius and madness is a fearfully narrow and fragile boundary; and genius and madness are typical manifestations of archetypal activity symbolized by Neptune.

- Jeff Mayo's thoughts picked up from The Planets and Human Behaviour, 1972

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