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Topic: Keanu Reeves and Dyslexia
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2006 02:20 PM
HiI read about Keanu Reeves being Dyslexic which really does interest me. After all, I am Dyslexic myself. I am literate because of special education help including auditory, phonological,phonemic awareness,and phonics training. I used to turn words arounds when I heard them. I had problems with speech because of that. I just mixed up words. I still have poor memory for what I read and hear. I am a Dysphonetic Dyslexic which is an auditory,phonological problem. I am not a Dyseidetic Dyslexic which has to do with visual problems. I don't see words and letters incorrectly. Dyslexics don't see words backwards either,and that is one of the myths of Dyslexia. I can tell you that sometimes I will misread stuff even though I see it correctly because I get letters jumbled up in my head. Most Dyslexics are Dysphonetic and not Dyseidetic. Unfortunately,lay people only seem to only know about the Dyseidetic Dyslexia and the myths. Dyslexia is mainly difficulty with words and a rightbrained thinking and learning style. Dys means difficulty with ,and lexia means words. There can be disorientation and confusion according to THE GIFT OF DYSLEXIA by Ronald Davis. It is rightbrained thinking style that involves thinking mainly in pictures, intuition,3-D visualization ability,and thinking outside the box. They have vivid imaginations. Being misunderstood is often common with Dyslexics. They are often being mistaken for being stupid, retarded or lazy. A lot of them are diagnosed AD/HD which could be a misdiagnosis. I was diagnosed inattentive type ADHD at the age of 32 years old in 2004. Although Dyslexia affects 10 to 15 percent of the population, only 5 out of every 100 people with Dyslexia are recognized and receive assistance. This makes me think of Mercury-Neptune. I have 5 Mercury-Neptune connections including Neptune in 3rd, Mercury parallel Neptune with 33 minutes of arc, Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc,Mars square Mercury/Neptune midpoint with 50 minutes of arc,and 3rd house ruler(Pluto)sextile Neptune with 57 minutes of arc. Here are the indicators that I feel might have to do with Keanu's Dyslexia. They are not all Mercury-Neptune connections. Some are listed because they might indicate problems. Please remember that not one single indicator shows his Dyslexia. It's a combination of more than one factor. There are also people with 1 or 2 strong Mercury-Neptune connections that don't have Dyslexia but just be creative and artistic types but could be in danger of being diagnosed with AD/HD and end up on medication. Some educators believe that, like Dyslexia, AD/HD stems from a predominantly rightbrained learning style. Like Dyslexia, giftedness and creativity are also found in people with AD/HD as well as Dyslexia. Neptune in 3rd - nonlinear,imaginative,receptive mind,thinking......thinking in pictures....collective unconscious thinking....possible unclear communications. Mercury in 12th - thinking,communications linked to collective unconscious.....can indicate hidden intelligence......like intelligence being misunderstood...nonlinear thinking Neptune square Mercury/Mars midpoint - nonlinear imaginative,receptive mind,thinking....thinking in pictures...capable of sensory overload....creativity...possible unclear communications Mercury retrograde - reflective thinking...thinking over things before saying something....miscommunications,misunderstandings but it can also indicate it can also indicate delays in communications Sun conjunct Mercury with 16 minutes of arc(cazimi) - self expression,ego and communications,thinking highly connected...overactive mind....mental burnout is possible...can be high strung Mercury conjunct Uranus with 16 minutes of arc - innovative,unconventional mind,thinking....thinking outside the box...can be high strung.....alternative learner Mercury conjunct Sun/Uranus midpoint with 5 minutes of arc - innovative,unconventional mind.....mind and innovative self expression is very connected...can be high strung...alternative learner Keanu Reeves Sept 2 1964 Beirut Lebanon, 5:40 AM 33 N 53 35 E 30 Tropical PLACIDUS Standard time observed GMT: 03:40:00 Time Zone: 2 hours East http://www.tribute.ca/Tribute/0901/keanu_reeves.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_dyslexia http://www.dyslexia.com/ http://www.dys-add.com/define.html IP: Logged |
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posted August 05, 2006 05:24 PM
I did not know that Keanu Reeves had been formally dx'd with a LD.River Phoenix - who had known and costarred with Keanu - also was dx'd with dyslexia. His data is: Aug 23, 1970, 12:10 AM, Madras, OR. IP: Logged |
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posted August 08, 2006 06:29 PM
Many dyslexics or people with learning disorders are left handed...IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4416 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2006 06:53 PM
Many actors are left-handed.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2006 07:23 PM
Not this one. I am righthanded but I am both left ear and left eye dominant. Left ear and left eye are wired to the right hemisphere. Therefore I have cross dominance which is common in many Dyslexics and other learning disabled. I had fine motor skills therapy when I was a kid. I have a maternal grandfather that was lefthanded and a maternal uncle that is lefthanded.I don't believe in the myth of righthanded people are leftbrained and that lefthanded are rightbrained of course either. I am righthanded but I am rightbrained with my Dyslexia. A lot of righthanded people are rightbrained too. I wonder if it's because they are cross dominant like me. There are many lefthanded people that aren't dyslexic or learning disabled. A lot of Dyslexics are righthanded. Here is stuff on cross dominance as well as dyslexia http://www.newindpress.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?id=SEU20060518090609&eTitle=Utilities&rLink=0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambidextrous http://www.answers.com/topic/cross-dominance http://pages.prodigy.net/unohu/dominance.htm http://www.dyslexia-at-bay.com/edupsy.htm http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Quick+Links/Publications/Magazine/Volume+84/Number+1/Articles/Dyslexia+The+Least+Known+Most+Common+Learning+Disability.htm http://www.ericdigests.org/pre-922/dyslexia.htm http://www.dyslexia-teacher.com/t61.html http://www.ldrc.ca/contents/view_article/212/ http://www.dyslexiatalk.com/messages/5/435.shtml?1028121111 http://www.theswap.com/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=178&forum=ForumSpec&viewmode=all http://www.icando.org/article-16.html
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SilverFairy Knowflake Posts: 47 From: Delaware Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2006 08:07 PM
My best friend is dyslexic she's gifted, She can draw so well, write incredible things and can play guitar and pick up music by just hearing the song.. she's also left handed. She's always been very original and people would always copy the things she wore and did. My brother who is also left handed can also draw and play guitar amazingly! but was not dyslexic.(Although he does have a hard time with learning) but I have 2 other brother's who are Dyslexic and both are right handed and not as artistic as the one.. I guess it all depends. I myself am right handed, But I am not dyslexic either, I am very scatter brained which made it hard to learn and I would always get pushed into special education classes for a short time and then they realized that wasn't the problem. I am emotional and when my emotion's are off or heightened, I can't grasp things.. so when I'm nervous It's like my brain has a mini melt down. (I have Merc rx and Sun Conjunct in my 8th house of Cancer) Sorry for the rant I just found this very interesting. IP: Logged |
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posted August 08, 2006 11:33 PM
Silverfairy, - have you been assessed for ADD? What you describe actually sounds more like Executive Dysfuntion (EFD), which is common in a number of LDs, like dyslexia, Asperger's Syndrome and ADD. If you're not dyslexic or autistic, yet have symtpoms of EFD, you may have ADD. Of course this is nowhere near a formal assessment, but it seems very strange to me that you're been placed in special ed yet have no dx. I'm a special teacher, and that's why I say that. US law today requires an assessment that indicates a specific "code" (disability) before a student can be placed in special ed - you cannot legally be put in special ed just for bad grades or bad behavior anymore. If you were assessed, what was decided as the reason for you going to a special ed class?Anyhow, being easily distracted, especially by difficulty with intense emotions (i,e regulating emoitonal responses and impulses), is one the main traits of EFD. It also effect one's ability to plan, remember steps in process, set goals, adn transistion from one activity to another without getting confused ro frustrated. here's a site to check out if you want o read more about it: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/kskkight/EFD.htm If actors are more likely to be dyslexic than the average population, perhaps it's due to their unusualy high abilities with expressive language. However, that wouldn't explain Keanu's trademark acting style, which if you ask me is only marginally better than a plank of wood. But this is probably an overgeneralization, like when people go "X, Y, and Z, are writers dx's with bipolar: bipolar must be very high among all writers." It's a logical fallacy; not actual stats.
As I've said here many times, I have Asperger's, a form of high functioning autism, and I am also hyperlexic - a condition common to autism and that is like the mirror opposite of dyslexia, both in how it effects the brain and in its symptoms (i.e., good at writing and reading; poor at expressive language and socialization). I'm ambi, and actually ambidexerity is slightly higher statistically among people with Asperger's (specifically AS, not autism disorders in general), although the difference from the general population isn't by much. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2006 01:07 AM
I agree with GeminiNymphHowever, I do believe that you could also just be a visual spatial learner who could have had problems with auditory sequential methods. I read a book about visual spatial learner called UPSIDE DOWN BRILLIANCE. Visual spatial learners aren't necessarily AD/HD but there is some overlap. They are considered rightbrained types. There is a book called RIGHTBRAINED CHILDREN IN A LEFTBRAINED WORLD. It talks more about how rightbrained children have a different learning/thinking style that is incompatible with leftbrained auditory sequential teaching methods that are in most schools. They could end up being labeled AD/HD or some other leanring disability and can be wrongly placed in special. A lot of people know that there is an over represention of African Americans in special education classes. I am part African American myself,but I was in special education to get my Dyslexia corrected. I remember being with mentally retarded children in 1st grade and then ended up in a class in another the next year that had no mentally retarded children. I was a fulltime regular student by 3rd after repeating the 2nd grade which involved mostly regular classroom but phonics training in afternoon to help me with my reading. Not all Dyslexics are unusually good with expressive language,and I am definitely not. There are lot of dyslexics with speech problems,and I am one of them. A lot of them can have problems with socializing too,and I am one of them too. I have always been very shy,awkward,clumsy person. I don't have problems understanding gestures,tones of voice,nor facial expressions. I communicate strongly in those ways. I tend to understand and react more to how things are said than what is being said. I tend to need things to be repeated or I get confused at times by what is being said...especially when it has to do multiple step. instructions. I feel that it really depends on the type of dyslexia,the severity of it. Speech delays/problems is one of the early warning signs of Dyslexia. Cluttering,Stuttering can be symptoms of Dyslexia. Some think that President Bush is Dyslexic because of his word retrieval issues when he speaks,but some think it's because he's stupid. I have the speech issues myself,and I am definitely not stupid but Dyslexic. Of course a lot of Dyslexics don't have problems with speech. It's the same with Visual and Auditory Dyslexics. Many Dyslexics have visual processing problems,but many other's don't. Most Dyslexics have phonological,auditory deficits. Early intervention is very essential for the Dyslexic. I can read and write well because of my early intervention special education therapies. I am a competent speaker but I am a clutterer with minor articulation problems,and that got me a schizoaffective bipolar misdiagnosis in 1999.
another thing to keep in mind..it was the severe dyslexics that qualified for special education services. The milder dyslexics didn't,and they are the ones that usually get help late or none at all. The problem is that many wait for the dyslexic to fail before he/she gets help. Here is site of International Dyslexia Association http://www.interdys.org/servlet/compose?section_id=5&page_id=79 http://www.dys-add.com/symptoms.html Cluttering (also called tachyphemia) is a communicative disorder characterized by speech that is difficult for listeners to understand due to rapid speaking rate, erratic rhythm, poor syntax or grammar, and words or groups of words unrelated to the sentence. The person with cluttering may experience a short attention span, poor concentration, poorly organized thinking, inability to listen, and a lack of awareness that his or her speech is unintelligible.
Clutterers often also have reading and writing disorders, especially sprawling, disorderly handwriting, which poorly integrate ideas and space.
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Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5228 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2006 01:38 AM
page 47 to 49 fromA SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE OF DYSLEXIA(The DISCOVERY OF CEREBELLAR-VESTIBULAR SYNDROMES by Harold N. Levinson, MD Occasionally, dyslexics manifested a "loose" and telescopic quality to their associative speech or thinking styles, and as a result tended to be rapid,wordy, and rambling in their spontaneous descriptions. This interesting speech pattern appeared independent of anxiety factors, and tended to resemble a schizophrenic's "loose associations" and tangential thinking. However, these dyslexic children were not psychotic, and lacked autistic preoccupation and projective thinking mechanisms. They merely seemed to forget momentarily the direction of their thought sequences and/or the thoughts and words themselves. Occasionally, the temporal spacing between words and sentences was shorter than normal and even dysmetric. Later studes noted nonpsychotic "absentminded" adult dyslexics to manifest similar loose,wordy, and rambling speech patterns ----clearly demonstrating the need to qualitatively and diagnostically distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic patterns (Kasaninin, 1964). Upon analysis, this loose, absent-minded dyslexic thinking style prone to slips was found to be due to the very same underlying memory, directional, and temporal spatial dyscoordination mechanisms characterizing dyslexic reading, writing, and spelling. Not infrequently these so-called absent-minded individuals intend to do say or do one thing and wind up saying or doing another, even the opposite of what was originally intended. Forgetting is commonplace. As a result, the dyslexic's speech and action patterns may often exhibit a disoriented and disjointed, even comical, quality, which many clinicians fallaciously consider due to primary psychogenic determinants. However, upon analysis, the dyscoordination or slip between intention and speech or motor response was most often found lacking a primary emotional causation, and appeared qualitatively consistent with the dyslexic symptomatology. In retrospect, these slips invariably provoked secondary emotional attempts at compensation; and the unsuspecting psychiatrist and psychologist will unwittingly mistake secondary defensive reaction with primary causation. For example, some dyslexics become embarassed, blush, and retreat socially as a result of their slips, while others attempt to joke and rationalize them away. Paradoxically, some dyslexics were found to demonstrate highly organized, crystal-clear thinking and expressive styles. Upon analysis, many of these individuals were found to have had subtle and compensated speech impediments during their early childhood. In retrospect, their highly condensed speech patterns appeared to be defensive or adaptive attempts at minimizing speech output and thinking errors. Although these dyslexics were often incapable of spontaneous free-associative and reflective speech, they were more than capable of performing these same very same functions in silence. For example, when asked to freely think aloud about a question, they could not or would not. But they could, and would,invariably produce the answer after a silent pause----clearly demonstrating their highly developed, silent associative and reflective thinking capacities.Following recognition and resolution of their guarded or defensive speech mechanisms, many learned to think aloud and to express themselves without embarassed or fear of criticism. Later adult stories not only confirmed these observations but revealed the existence of dyslexics who were capable of free association and reflection only when writing. Their fluent and lucid writing styles appeared to be motivated similarly by dyslexic verbalization difficulties which were compensated for by gifted and/or unhampered writing functions. Because the ability to free-associate is a cardinal and essential prerequisite for candidates being evaluated for psychoanalytic therapy, and since this ability may be nonverbally present, it behooves psychiatrists and psychoanalysts to explore seriously these clinical considerations in their diagnostic-treatment assessment of psychoanalytic patients. The first part seems like Mercury/3rd linked with Neptune to me, and those are my problems. That astrological configuration can indicate the unclear,disorganized,tangential,absentminded, "scatterbrained" thinking and speech of Dyslexia. That's why I was misdiagnosed as having schizoaffective bipolar by psychiatrists years ago in adulthood,and they never did any psychological nor medical testing. They only went by what they observed. I do have Neptune in 3rd in t-square,Mercury parallel Neptune,and Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint,and Mars square Mercury/Neptune midpoint as well as 3rd house ruler sextile Neptune. Luckily, Dr Levinson understood that my speech and thoughts weren't psychotic but Dyslexic. I saw Dr Levinson in June of 2005. He is the psychiatrist/neurologist who diagnosed m e as having cerebellar vestibular dysfunction and recognized my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia.He didn't diagnose me with any mental illness. He thought my problems were neurological. The second part seems like Mercury/3rd house linked with Saturn, and I have been like that as well for compensatory purposes. The astrological configuration could indicate the cautious,slow,organized,structured,systematic compensatory thinking and speech of Dyslexia. I have Virgo Ascendant that would emphasize my need to minimize mistakes and be a perfectionist because of my fear of looking stupid and incompetent in front of others. This indicates my self critical nature. When I make mistakes,I tend to call myself "stupid" I felt like I was stupid for many years. When I succeeded at things,I thought it was luck. When I failed at things,I thought it was because of stupid. That's how many Dyslexics are. I have retrograde Saturn in Gemini oppose 3rd house planets in a t-square,Mercury contraparallel Saturn,and Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn midpoint. Raymond
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