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Topic: Sociopathic behavior in the natal chart
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hippichick
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posted July 25, 2007 03:46 PM
  
Would it be, perhaps, a poorly aspected planet/stellium residing in the 8th???Any experiences out there??? Thanks IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted July 25, 2007 03:55 PM
Good question. One of my former classmates exhibited many sociopathic tendencies. All I remember was that Gemini was very strong in his chart. He also had some harsh aspects to Pluto: moon square pluto and mars square pluto. Pluto was in his eighth house. IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted July 25, 2007 04:04 PM
I've known some sociopaths and I believe all had an unaspected Mars.I would say an unaspected Mars and/or Pluto; or a badly aspected Mars or Pluto. ------------------
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libraschoice7
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posted July 25, 2007 04:11 PM
Just because you have harshly aspected Mars or Pluto does mean your a sociopath, I know quite a few people that are decent loving people and have Mars or Pluto harsh aspected(me included)...so take into account other things as well in the natal chart  ------------------
Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer I "FEEL" therefor I am IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted July 26, 2007 12:42 AM
Well, of course, but those are the planets that would be afflicted if the person was a sociopath. A lot of people have charts of serial killers, but aren't, and a lot of serial killers have "easy" charts. There are no absolutes. IP: Logged |
Hexxie
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posted July 26, 2007 01:21 AM
'Ello Hipp Chick  Hmmm a sad face. That's not good! I hope yer not hurt. Sociopathy. Interesting to me that it's also called Psychopathy. Didja read Wikipedia's description? I found it quite helpful and interesting. I am not sure how to pick an astro aspect or cluster of them even, but maybe this description will help?! :
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... a condition characterized by lack of empathy or conscience, and poor impulse control or manipulative behaviors. It is a term derived from the Greek psyche (soul, breath hence mind) and pathos (to suffer), and was once used to denote any form of mental illness, often being confused with psychosis...
...psychopathy is most commonly diagnosed using the checklist devised by Emeritus Professor Robert Hare. He describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse"...
...psychopaths are also careless in the way they treat themselves. They frequently fail to alter their behavior in a way that would prevent them from enduring future discomfort...
Anyhoo, is this someone close to you that, because of your line of work, you were able to recognize as such? Why do you think you attracted this person? I think the following article about different types of trauma may be a little bit off your topic, but you might find something helpful in it too:
http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/trauma.html I hope all is well in your world  ------------------
`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll
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Verseau_miracle
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posted July 26, 2007 12:40 PM
My father was a diagnosed sociopath. Its years since ive looked at his chart, but from what i remember, chiron was exactly conjunct the ascendant, he had a giant 1st house and many planets in leo. Ill try and get the chart back up again so i can have a closer look for youIP: Logged |
Lady Neptune
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posted July 26, 2007 02:17 PM
I don't believe that certain aspects or placements determine behavior or mental stablility. Each placement and aspect in the chart has a shadow side and the potential for tremendous gifts. Its hard to say why some people exhibit the unhealthy side of their chart and others the healthy side or even their fullest potential for good.
I have the moon in the 8th making some difficult aspects...sometimes I have been withdrawn (square to saturn) and other times emotionally erratic (Uranus)....but I have also allowed myself to feel deeply and yet control (saturn) my emotions so that others receive only my best. Mars opposing PLuto and Uranus has sometimes found me with quite the temper....other times I have surrendered my personal warrior (mars) to the universal warrior (Pluto) and defended someone who couldn't defend themselves giving them the best I had to offer. So these placements have seen me at my best and my worst...but never psychotic.
Interestingly the one person I've known in my life to have been the victim of a psychopath (she was murdered) had herself an unaspected mars. And several fixed grand crosses including a full 12th house. But the rest of her family who also were mudered likely did not have these placements (I don't know their charts so I can't say for sure). What I do know is that I have seen unaspected mars in other charts but I don't think they are all destined for her fate.
I think difficult aspects or placements describe a particular energy or struggles or internal dilemmas that you may find in your life but they don't tell us how that will look in the details of our lives and the possiblities are endless. IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted July 26, 2007 02:26 PM
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I don't believe that certain aspects or placements determine behavior or mental stablility. Each placement and aspect in the chart has a shadow side and the potential for tremendous gifts. Its hard to say why some people exhibit the unhealthy side of their chart and others the healthy side or even their fullest potential for good.
Possibly one of the best responses I ahve read on the subject of aspects. It seems like people often try to create aspects realted to metal disorders or disorderly actions but in truth, those actions could just be a result of environmental and social factors; Not astrology. You can have the most darkest and Ruthless of Libra moons (Elizabeth Bathory: The Blood Countess) or the most gentle and serene Scopios (My friend for example.) Co-dependency on any one source to answer all your questions (and one that hasn't been fully explored yet) just isn't healthy IMO. IP: Logged |
Peri
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posted July 26, 2007 03:59 PM
Hard aspects to Mercury (nervous system) and probably Moon (emotions)IP: Logged |
MUSTANG
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posted July 26, 2007 07:19 PM
Victims of criminals will often have a chart "of a criminal." It also was postulated that a lot of criminals have very "easy" charts. I think it depends on more than the chart - it is a template, but there is always free-will. I think the nature-nurture theory applies to charts just like it does to pyschology. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted July 26, 2007 07:43 PM
I agree with you guys on the psychology. Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid believer of astrology but there's a point where we have to step back and embrace logic, not speculation.
Simplest example: I know two boys. One is my best friend, one is my ex-boyfriend. They were born on the same day, same place, same year, same time (literally). Two rooms apart in the hospital. They have the first and middle names. They live down the street from one another.
One is a horribly cruel, lying, conniving, thieving, womanizing drug addict/dealer with a gambling problem.
The other was a straight A, honor student, avid volunteer and active in the community. He was everyone's best friend, a complete do-gooder.
A definite case of Nature vs. Nurture, what you're exposed to versus what's "inborn".
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hippichick
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posted July 26, 2007 09:42 PM
Thank you all for your input...This is something I have began to notice and reseach with an annoying individual in my life and have noticed others with similiar sociopathic behavior have a strong 8th/Pluto infulence. I am not saying that all with a strong Pluto/8th will exhibit personality disorders, just have noticed that the individuals in question in my life have, except... My 15 yr old Aqua daughter has a loaded 8th and she is about the most grounded individual I have ever met....most of her planets are in Aqua in the 8th and Cap in the 7th and she is far from crazy!!! Once again, nature AND nuture... From what I have seen the 8th/Pluto folks may have more of an ability to develope personality disorders given that sociopaths are all about power, control, etc...but I absolutely know it does not mean one will in fact develope such behaviors unacceptable in society. Hex---thanks for the links, I am ok, have decided to not feed the psycho with what he craves the most....fear! IP: Logged |
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