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Mystique
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posted September 18, 2007 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all

once again just want to say hi to anyone still here from a few years ago

So much sharing of knowledge here and I would like to offer something thats helped me in analyzing and understanding all these intense relationships we all have...

Using same method you do for draconic charts take any asteroid or point for that matter and calculate the relationship of all the other planets, asteroids and angles to the body you are researching.

Example: say you have karma asteroid at 2 Gemini and you want to see what karma you have with Venus aspect of karma. Your Venus say is at 3 Gemini. After converting you get 1 deg Aries.
Any position your partner has at that degree will help in seeing how the karmic aspect of your Venus is playing out in your connection with partner.
Remember then to check transits or progression/arcs to these positions at time of first meeting or any significant turn in the relationship.
Its all about layers and layers....thats what is so amazing about astrology and I see everyone here is open to new ways of thinking...
Hope I explained this well enough

Another pointer, remember also to look to converse progressions and arcs because they show timing as well and according to the late Ronald Davidson's research and I have to agree, these are more indicative of soul agreements. You see with progressions you are still integrating the energy whereas with converse its more destined to happen, energy was integrated before birth

Ciao for now

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OMG Jay
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posted September 18, 2007 03:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
huh

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izodesmozina
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posted September 18, 2007 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my! More juicy stuff to experiment with! Yumm! I for one am delighted... was wondering what new toy will come up LOL.
I understood how to calculate them, but... uh... I think I'll need some help with the interps. The Karma asteroid is easy. But what about the rest?
You nailed me! Karma asteroid @2 degrees Gemini here! But Taureean Venus .

Welcome back! Nice to meet ya! I am looking forward to your posts.

Izo

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Mystique
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posted September 18, 2007 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, izo

Ok so your venus is in what degree of Taurus?lets say its 1 Taurus.
Always convert to natural zodiac (0 Aries to 359 Pisces there are 360 deg in zodiac)so....
Calculation is 360 + 31 = 391 - 63 = 328
Your Karma zodiac Venus would be at 28 Aquarius
You do this calculation with every other planet, asteroid etc to see its relationship to Karma

By the way how do you reply by viewing the previous replies as well?

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted September 18, 2007 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iM sorry im being a little slow but where do u get the 63 in the calculation from? I get the 31 cuz its 30 degrees Aries plus 1 Taurus...but where the 63?

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izodesmozina
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posted September 19, 2007 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a hurry.....


BUD, 63 is the conversion of my Karma (2-3 Gemini).

Mystique,

Thank you for this new method-toy!
But there is a nother method for calculation. Go to http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php . In the Personal Point input Aries 00, in the Significator box - what you need calculated (say my venus at 18*47' Taurus ), and in the Trigger box - your Karma (or my Karma at 2*59' Gemini). And Voila! A brand new karmic Venus at 10*42' Aquarius to conjunct his natal Isis .
We have the Nodes conjunct... in a karmic chart . Yup, we're karmic buddies alright!

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Mystique
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posted September 20, 2007 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUD just like izo said...3 Gem is 63 degrees away from the 0deg Aries point.
But yes use the quicklink method izo provided to give you the degrees you need, I just wanted to explain the calculation behind them.

Izo, glad you found the new toy helpful!
Have fun

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jane
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posted September 21, 2007 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Mystique. Thanks for sharing your astrological creativity with us. I've never thought of building a new chart in the way you did.
What are converse progressions and arcs?

My Karma asteroid is at 0º Libra, so my "Karma Chart" is completely opposite my natal one. Makes calculating it very easy!

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Diandra23
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posted September 21, 2007 06:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mystique! you´re right,here on LL we are always ready to learn and see new ways of how astrology plays out

I calculated ( with the help of Izo´s calculator hihi) my karmic aspect of Venus.
It is on 14ºAries, conjuncting my BF´s MC(0º).
my Valentine karma it is 27ºPisces.Which oposes his Draco Isis/Osiris(1º)

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posted September 21, 2007 10:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's an arc?

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Mystique
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posted September 21, 2007 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone

I had a long post in response to everyone and it got deleted before I could post
How do you view everyone's post while replying ?

Jane, converse progressions are reversing what you do for progressions...same concept day for a year only this time backwards from your birthdate...you can go to astrodienst and lets say your birthdate is 29 June and you want to see your converse for when you were 20...just minus 20 days and you plug in 9 June with your birth year to get your converse chart.

OMG using example above you would this time add 20 to each and every planet, asteroid etc in your chart to compare to your natal or synastrically...and again you can check converse arcs here too, just count 20 years back from your birthdate

difference between the two is in solar arcs including converse arcs every body moves by the age arc you use, whereas with progressions/converse except for your sun, every other body moves at its own natural speed...

Hope this helps

Diandra, I am so happy you are finding connections using these methods

An example: the year I met up with someone very important in my life, of a few connections....my Pluto converse arc to his Mercury (ruler of his Saturn, 7th ruler and my Vertex)
His name asteroid was transiting my Pluto at the time and transit Pluto was conjunct his Vertex.
His name asteroid in my chart had arc'd exactly to his Vertex.
My converse Sun (7th ruler) had arc'd to his Juno and my converse Moon had arcd to his Nnode exactly, and my converse Vertex was on my Mars

I will be back with some more goodies

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Mystique
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posted September 22, 2007 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyone know how I can view the whole thread while replying

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NAM
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posted September 22, 2007 08:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, when you are typing your reply scroll down with the scroll clicky of this window (whole LL window) the you are going to see undernath the with block were you are typing
the keys "submit reply" and "clear fields"
right under that is a window in disguised that gives you a way to look at this post or even go to other posts within LL forums, next to the big scroll down there is a little scroll down clicky for that window within the big window, click on that and it wil all make sense.

I hope I didn't confuse you

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Mystique
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posted September 23, 2007 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you NAM!
Makes perfect sense

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