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funnyface
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posted November 19, 2007 11:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I have been reading a lot about chiron and the linkages. Can y'all take a look at my chart and tell me why I had so much heartbreak with this guy?
My DOB-22 nov 1971, 2.19pm at Bombay, India.
His DOB- 2 Oct 1969 9.18pm, Jabalpur, India.
From what I saw we had the chiron-neptune linkage and things looked compatible. Do you think that we may get back together anytime soon?
Thanks

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posted November 19, 2007 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello and Welcome to LL funnyface
(adorable name)

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funnyface
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posted November 19, 2007 11:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks linda,
It is from an Audrey hepburn movie. Love her

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funnyface
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posted November 19, 2007 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey linda,
when you have time could you compare my chart with that of my heartbreaker and tell me if there is anything that indicates an union?
Thanks in advance.

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alvarella777
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posted November 19, 2007 07:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello funnyface,

I am very much interested in the workings of Synastry – so I created one for you and your (ex?)-boyfriend – that is, I compared your natal chart to his. I am trying to give you an overview here – it is just a summary of my impression, okay? I am no professional astrologer, just dealing with astrology on a private basis for more than a decade now. So, please take everything with a grain of salt1 ;-)

A brief summary of my overall-impression: This relationship is/was heavily loaded with powergames – a (subtle) fight for supremacy – you have quite different tempers - each is/was trying to “keep the upper hand” – but you both function in very (!) different ways.

I took a look on your individual charts alone, first. To give you an impression on these:

You, the girl, seem to have “strong principles” – and it may be that your idea of “how things should be going” tend to inhibit you or the way you express yourself sometimes. You have a shy and/or cautious side, something quite “strict” about you sometimes – you definitely want to be “in control” – and you can react quite moody, when you feel that you lose control, that you don’t get “your way” or when others surprise you. All this might have contributed to the difficulties in this relationship.

You have, for example:
- Sun 29° Scorpio on the cusp of 8th/9th house, opposition to Saturn, sextile to Pluto (strong principles, inhibitions)
- Moon in Capricorn in 10th, square to Uranus in Libra in 7 (keen on control, moody)
- Mars in Pisces in 12th, square Saturn, square Jupiter, square Neptune (suspicion & caution)
- Saturn in Gemini in 3rd opp. Neptune (suspicion, inhibition)
- Pluto 1° Libra in 7th, square MC and opp AC (manipulation, control, powergames with others)

You also have many “easy” and “nicer” aspects of course, you ARE a nice person as well! (Everyone has mixed charts, right?)
Like:
- Sun cj. Neptune (sensitive, creative)
- Venus cj Mercury and sextile Uranus, all that in cj to your MC (you’re an “aesthet”, you express yourself very well, you can write and/or sing and speak beautifully and you are open to “romance”, at least mentally – you’re a “charmer” and might be easily impressed by charmers also.)
- Juno in Libra in 7th conjunct Pluto, trine Saturn - you are commitment-prone, you are serious about your relationships – and you have the chance to learn/heal a lot from them (you also have Venus opp. Chiron, which indicates some hurting lessons – maybe to “let lose” a bit more?)


He, the boy, is a more “light weight” character - from the first glance on his chart. He is definitely more the risk-taking type, quite compulsive/impulsive, definitely more spontaneous than you – and even more spontaneous than is good for himself, sometimes. “Playfulness” is a topic for him – and sometimes he overdoes and ends up hurting others – and himself! He might behave “childish” and “rash” quite often. I bet he might easily feel “caged in” … maybe by you?

He has a very strong 5th house (The house of “Individuality”):
- Sun in Libra 5th cj Mercury, cj,. Uranus – but square Mars, opp. Saturn, square Juno (quick ideas and fantasies – but not enough stamina to se them through)
- Venus in Virgo causp 4th/5th – trine Mars, Saturn and Juno (he wants to be serious in his relationships - he definitely tries to be – but he has a long way to go there …)
- Pluto in 5th square Moon Gem. in 2nd (control- and power-issues as well)
- Moon in Gemini in 2nd (“fickleness” as far his self-worth and principles are concerned), his Moon squares Mercury, opp. Mars, squares Uranus, Pluto and Chiron, opp. Juno, opp. Pallas (VERY moody, quite a temper, easily sways his convictions/feelings, insecure at a very basic level – hurts others and himself over and over again, maybe wants too much too soon)
- Mars in Capricorn in 8th (again: power/control/manipulation, intense cravings, maybe a very strict/rude/controlling sexuality –he cannot handle all these issues very well: Mars square Mercury, Sun, Jupiter, Uranus and Chiron -and in opposition to his Moon).

When I look at your SYNASTRY the strongest impressions are:

All his intense (individuality-driven) 5th-house energy falls on your DC and in your 7th house (of partnerships) – he definitely has an impact on you, personalitywise.

And this seems to be vice versa: Your Sun-Neptune-conjunction falls in his 7th (Who plays tricks on whom? Who is more easily impressed by the other?), your Jupiter as well in his 7th – you have some “good influence” on him – and he might widen your perspective on life. Your MC, Venus and Mercury fall in his 8th – your ideas of romance/love/life goals touch his segment of “deeper bonding” – but we have learned, that he has an afflicted Mars in that house….

What should work well in your relationship is the way you communicate! From that point there should hardly be any problems – you share a lot of “mental/intellectual” interests! There are several beautiful and inspiring Mercury-aspects (like: his Merc. sextile your Sun/Neptune, cj., your Pluto and trine your Saturn). You should be able to “read” each other well, when you speak to each other. Also your basic energies are working well (Mars sext. Mars). AND: His fickleness and uniqueness tends to “losen you up” a little, inspires you – whereas you can add a little bit of stability to his personality (his Uranus trine your Saturn, sext. your Neptune, cj. your Pluto.)

But – all this is very “mental”. And there is quite an impressing list of potentially “negative” or “stressful” aspects between you, that would indeed take a lot of energy to overcome:
- his Sun opp. your Chiron (hurt)
- his Moon opp your Pluto and opp. your MC (your life goals/principles/control issues just don’t “feel” good for him, give him bad vibes)
- his Venus opp. your Mars and quincunx your Chiron (his idea of love is different – you tend to come on too strong for his liking)
- his Mars opp. your Chiron (he’ll hurt you with his selfishness, aggressiveness, he behaves ruthless against you – you might seem to be “too weak” to him)
- his Pluto square your Venus (he wants to dominate you or he might feel blocked by your “love”), square your MC (does not agree with your life goals) and opposition your AC – he sees you rather as his “opponent”, not his partner.
- and finally: his Chiron (in Aries/11th) opp to your Pluto (Libra/7th) – he might feel stifled by you and/or your control-issues. (You have the “Chiron-Neptune”-linkage as well … but this seems to be rather a minor thing compared to the other things – to be honest. Maybe you can “sense” what his personal wounds are, in a way …)

So … all this would be hard to work on, if the two of you decided to go on together. I get the feeling that all is said by the comparison of your natal charts already – you, the girl, are much more serious/reasonable/cautious and sensitive in many areas – whereas he has a much stronger streak of individuality/selfishness, restlessness, fickleness, playfulness etc.

To make a long story short: I guess … he wouldn’t be able to make you happy. I f I was your grandmother, I’d say: Leave him alone, look for another one.

Didn’t want to disappoint you – hope that helped.
Take care and all the best to you

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funnyface
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posted November 19, 2007 10:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alvarella,
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, appreciate the time and patience that you have invested.
I did the synastry chart on astro.com and I find that my venus, merc, jupiter and MC fall in his 7th house, while his sun, pluto, uranus, jupiter and merc fall in my 7th.

The degrees for my place of birth are 72e50,18n58, while his are 79e57,23n10.

Somehow I always felt that we were fated. Also, I don't think he is a risk taker, he stuck with his old job for 10 years, and even when he found a new one, he did not change cities.
Thanks again for all the help.

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funnyface
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posted November 19, 2007 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Alvarella,
Thanks for the thoughtful analysis, appreciate the time and patience that you have invested.
I did the synastry chart on astro.com and I find that my venus, merc, jupiter and MC fall in his 7th house, while his sun, pluto, uranus, jupiter and merc fall in my 7th.

The degrees for my place of birth are 72e50,18n58, while his are 79e57,23n10.

Somehow I always felt that we were fated. Also, I don't think he is a risk taker, he stuck with his old job for 10 years, and even when he found a new one, he did not change cities.
Thanks again for all the help.

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