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Topic: A controlling Sag male??
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capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 01:02 PM
 
I had a psychic tell me that if I got involved with this guy, that he's only really interested in someone he can control 100%, and will just string me along because he likes the attention!! I can see a bit of it, but he's a Sag male with a Pisces asc. and I guess I'm wondering what you all might see in his chart. I'm sorry, I'm failing today to post his chart. HIs bd is Nov. 23 1958, 14:05, Victoria Texas. Thank you so much!
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heart cakes
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posted December 14, 2007 01:09 PM
my mom is a sagittarius sun with pisces rising and capricorn moon. most manipulative, controlling, frightening person i have ever met.does not do justice to sagittarius one bit. IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 01:11 PM
OMG heartcakes!! He has a Taurus moon. I can sort of see the Cap moon in your Mom, but the Sag part is the part that doesn't 'do it justice' at least in my experience with fun loving, happy Sag's! IP: Logged |
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posted December 14, 2007 01:22 PM
yeah i know hey!? well with my mom i think her total bitterness just took over her life gradually. i remember when i was little she was more fun, and she has the ability to play at or pretend to be fun with people (it's weird though cuz once they leave the room she'll get her hard as nails, bitter expression on her face and be cold as hell.. totally confusing growing up with that!!). but she totally resents and hates my dad, etc etc and i think she just got locked in her cappy moon (10th house no less) and her pisces rising is projection, and maybe prevents her from keeping her energy inside to understand herself; so the controlling aspect comes from sensing what other people need/want and her cap moon is manipulative and controlling. the sag, i dunno! something to DO maybe??i guess all signs have their ashholes though! taurus moon.. hmm.. i can see that being controlling maybe, depending on other factors. but in a I-NEED-YOU-to-feel-secure kind of way. the pisces asc can be pretty manipulative when other factors contribute, i would think. in its healthy state it would be total empathy and psychicness, but imagine this ability in the hands of someone selfish or security-seeking! manipulation would be the only option, right? IP: Logged |
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posted December 14, 2007 01:24 PM
Hi capnsag,I don't have time to go into too much astrological detail with jargon, only you can confirm this. Even being as neutral as I can, his chart suggests incredible emotional complications (whether good or bad remains to be seen), a possible messiah complex, a measurement that I equate with the "wh@re /nun" syndrome meaning that he can be absolutely chaste and virginal or overly excessive in the sexual department. He desperately wants to keep things stable and will work desperately hard to keep things as they are. There may be an anger issue with this man, the kind where rage comes out of nowhere but once again, that depends on other things. Something kept incredible pressure on him in his early life, repressing his power and energies, but in the 2nd half of life, he'll be able to weild that power. It's a possibility that he's a workaholic, but something about that "wh@re /nun" syndrome measurement may be playing into what the psychic said about him being controlling in love matters. It might not just be stringing you along in relationship, but also controlling his sexual appetite within social situations. In a nutshell, there appears to be something to what she said. It doesn't mean he's a bad person, but the real test comes when you put your chart with his, some of your measurements might trigger his stuff and vice versa. Geocosmic Valentine ------------------
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CrabbyKitty
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posted December 14, 2007 01:24 PM
Heartcakes, as soon as I read capnsag's post I thought "cap moon". Then you spoke up. LOL! I went out with a guy who was a control freak beyond belief. I don't know what his asc was, but he was a saggie with cap moon. Very self contained, secretive and unemotional when it suited him. IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 01:37 PM
Hi Geo! (waves hello) I always love your insightful input! He can be extreme, but more abstain for years after he split from his cheating wife, and I know he's extreme as far as his physical state - losing weight from a rather extreme physical regime and always pushing himself (and others) and he's VERY competitive, even when he's friendly, he has to be first and push himself until he's heaving! We haven't been intimate, so I don't know about the 'aftermath' and whether he has that madonna/*hore complex. The last Aqua I was with sure did!! (he had a lot of Pisces) My db, if you want to see how we aspect each other is Jan 7 1959, 8:40am, Concord, CA. Our moons trine, but I know we have some Saturn aspects that could be hard. Or stable!  Nice Jupiter, but also Venus/Pluto. But I love his humor, and he always says just the right thing to make my moon happy!
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heart cakes
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posted December 14, 2007 01:41 PM
crabby kitty, that is interesting cuz i remember reading somewhere a long time ago that capricorn moon with sagittarius makes the sag much less noticable, or something to that effect. i don't know if that's true or not, but there might be something to it being they are right beside eachother..?IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 01:43 PM
I don't know what kind of pressure growing up. He has older sisters, and was his Mom's favorite! He had crazy boy adventures, but he hasn't shared any difficulty. He CAN be a workaholic. One of those play hard, work hard guys.Yeah, he can be pushy with others (and me) just as he pushes himself. Hmmmmm.... IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 01:46 PM
Oooh, heartcakes, yeah, that could be an unpleasant way to see the Pisces rising! The defensiveness too. He admits freely to being stubborn, or accused of being stubborn by his friends. But he also listens to reason pretty well. I have a Sag moon with my Cap sun! My Cap comes in when I get insecure/worried (ie my love life!); otherwise, people see me as more like a Sag/Aqua (my rising and Venus) and some are surprised when I tell them I'm a Cappy. lol! IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted December 14, 2007 02:01 PM
yeah, it would seem to me that the sag should override the capricorn, at least on the surface, most of the time. i guess it's the 10th house factor for my mom, conjunct MC, meaning, security/control is so very important to her. she is pretty extreme though. very abusive and just unable to let go of stuff, it seems.your guy seems to have a lot of sagittarius in him though and seems to have an adventurous spirit! the pisces rising could totally play out awesomely too, i would think. i can't tell if you think he's controlling too, or if it's just what the psychic said and is freaking you out and i'm not good enough to look at a chart and see the whole picture (not even close!). i hope it works out for you! IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 02:07 PM
Thanks, I hope so too. I go to Psychics instead of therapists, and I was expecting 'The Word' on him! Except it wasn't what I wanted to hear!! Darn. IP: Logged |
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posted December 14, 2007 02:21 PM
I have a Sag friend with Scorpio rising, and he tends to like things his way as well. He can be very charming, but also quite vindictive. I remember him once telling me that he thought he could take me if we ever had a verbal duel. I don't know of anyone else that comes close to thinking in those terms. He is also competitive, and he also has that trait of always wanting to be first in line.IP: Logged |
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posted December 14, 2007 06:17 PM
I don't usually see Sags as controlling.I know an elderly Sag woman who is a bit nasty and can be cold at times - but she also has Venus retro and I often feel people with Venus R - are very cold towards me. They seem a bit heartless - but not in an evil sense.. just very very detached.. to the point where I can't give them a hug or get close, the way I normally would (I'm talking about family members). They make me feel strange, specially at Christmas gatherings. Other than her, I've known two Sag girls my age who I really liked.. and a fair few Sag men, one of which I'm dating currently. They are not controlling in any way at all. He is a bit possessive - very slightly (he has a Scorpio Venus/Uranus conj) but I don't mind that.
If he wasn't possessive *at all*, I'd feel like he doesn't care. If he was too possessive it would make me feel suffocated, but he's just right lol quote:
A controlling Sag male??
Forget what the psychic told you. The question is: do *you* feel he is being controlling? You're the one who knows him. IP: Logged |
capnsag
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posted December 14, 2007 06:49 PM
I know him as a friend, and he's cool as a friend. But I don't know him in a closer relationship! And people change when you through intimicy into the mix; I know I do! Unfortunately, I get strange and insecure and possessive! pfftt. I just wanted to see if folks here could see it in his chart to confirm the psychic. Or not!!IP: Logged |
CrabbyKitty
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posted December 14, 2007 09:50 PM
Heart Cakes, It was weird because it didn't so much make the sag less noticeable as it was like being with two different people! He's very outdoorsy and plays hard, would rather kill himself than take the easy route. Then he'd just flip like a switch. I would say that the cap moon affected his emotional behavior more than anything. My little psycho - couldn't help but love him, no way I could stay with him.IP: Logged |
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posted December 15, 2007 05:56 PM
Yeah, my Libra cousin dated a Sagittarius w/ Capricorn moon, and it was a disaster. Cold as ice. quote:
I don't usually see Sags as controlling.
Sagittarius w/ moon in Scorpio, & Sagittarius w/ moon in Capricorn are probably the combinations where these moons get their reputation. Sag/Cap is cool and controlled when young, controlling when older. IP: Logged | |
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