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Randall
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posted November 19, 2007 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend that I need some input on. She has had a lot of tough obstacles lately and is wondering what might be reflected in her chart at this time. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

She was born on October 20, 1953 at 7:00 am in Crystal City, Texas.

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posted November 19, 2007 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will get back to you shortly with a unique viewpoint

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alt. info for astrologers
Kairons' version of the chart ( placidius houses ) .. with transits grid below ( only close orbs being displayed) ..

if in the short term it's a case of transiting Chiron aspecting the MC/IC axis ..
then that transit will pass by the end of this month .. or early dec.
btw: the long term pluto transit is making a grand cross from the natal t-square ..
and .. as for the diff. between kairons' and astrodotcoms' charts .. i.e. the mc and asc. degrees
i'm consistently finding kairon to be more accurate ..

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posted November 19, 2007 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Randall,

The first thing I noticed about your friends chart was her NN conjunct your Sun.

I did a progression.
progressed Mars is 25*51' Libra
conjunct Natal Sun at 26*50' Libra
and approaching the conjunction with Natal Ascendant and Saturn both aneretic at 29 Libra

Progressed Mars is still in the 12th house which urges caution, there is always something hidden with the 12th house
Conjunct Sun shows the possibility of being to hasty in decisions and biting of more than she can chew. Arrogance can be a problem too, curb her enthusiasm.
This is important because the conjunction with Saturn is coming and with it more responsibility.
But this one is good because it shows career enhancement. This is supported by the Sun ruling the 10th house.

Progressed Moon 20*Pisces28'
applying to the opposition with natal Mars 22 Virgo 29' in (2-3 months)
a time of emotional confrontation with a spouse or family member. Possibility of a break-up. Try not to be inconsiderate. Patience is needed.

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posted November 19, 2007 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re: * She has had a lot of tough obstacles lately*
i think .. maybe .. most astrologers would require a bit more info in order to give feedback
e.g the nature of the obstacles ..
i.e. if it were a case that the person is feeling emotionaly hurt in some way ..
then 'transiting Chiron aspecting .. ' is a fair bet as to what astrological influence they might be reacting to ..
and if they are feeling 'wounded' .. how are they reacting .. by 'attacking the percieved wounder ' ?
or do they retreat to lick their wounds in some fashion ? ..
i'm saying that because .. from observing the infighting that sometimes takes place between kflakes hereabouts ..
transiting Chiron consistently shows up in their charts ( as does transiting Lillith ) ..

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posted November 19, 2007 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Randall,

Has there been a possibility of deception in a relationship as an issue for her and a spouse? Is she getting divorced? I'm having a hard time figuring out what her 9th house issues are suggesting, especially as transiting Pluto is beginning to square her Moon for the 2nd time out of what might be a (shock) 4 time pass in 2 years???!!! Ouch!!

That's what I'm getting is being reflected in her chart. She seems to be alternately happy, then depressed, then happy again. It even looks like there may have been some nice successes for her in the last 2 1/2 years, even some reward coming along when Pluto and Jupiter conjunct on the 11th, they will be sextile her Sun and square her Venus/Mars midpoint.

I don't know if she's married already or what, but the Moon in her 5th house of giving love suggests some romance or creative issues but it rules her 9th of law, philosophy, philanthropy, internationalism. Is she traveling?

I need more details to clarify, but can you confirm some of this for us? Thanks.

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posted November 19, 2007 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Randall,

Just the pipsqueak's 2 cents among all of the experts here...but I can tell ya that transiting Pluto squaring my Pisces sun in the 5th...especially while it was applying...was ROUGH! Lots of changes and pain. With the moon...ouch!

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posted November 19, 2007 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has been a fascinating chart to look at from my POV
I see lots of interesting possibilities/potentials…..

The Sun as the Referee between equidistant Neptune and Saturn can be a fabulous placement if blending can be accomplished instead of the vacillation of the Sun-energies between the Planet of Boundaries and the Planet of No Boundaries. There is both a huge well of creativity possible – especially if she’s reconciled the quincunx of Sun and Moon (in the 5th) and doesn’t see-saw back and forth between them – and the discipline and structure to build for the future. With the 5th house ruler in the 12th I bet this lady is capable of enormous spiritual regeneration, if she can avoid the dissolute aspect of Sun conj Neptune. This will take a strength of will that I’m not sure I see in this chart – however the applying tPluto sq Moon (3rd pass) will shake her to her foundations. I’ve found nPluto in Leo to be a bedrock of Will Power when I thought I was running on fumes only. Pluto/Moon is/was one of the most hair-raising transits I have ever experienced, and is only just now waning in my own chart. I had to deal with 4th/8th house issues, she will deal with 2nd/5th. I wonder if she’s ready for the detonation of her values/traditions in order to reorganize her emotional landscape and creative outlets, and come to terms with her inescapable link to the Collective Unconscious?? This is a scary transit – sometimes it feels like you are at the end of your rope and hanging over a pond full of crocodiles. Sometimes you feel like all your emotions are trapped inside a dark leaden-shielded cave with no ingress/egress and no air to breathe. Sometimes it takes all your will power just to put one foot in front of the other and slog thru the day. Sometimes the fear takes you around the neck in a stranglehold and it’s all you can do to keep a full-blown panic attack at bay. Randall, I hope you can be the grounded Earthy voice of Perspective to allay some of the doubts that will blindside her.

Sun square Uranus produced a rebel in me ;-) Your ladyfriend and I both have our Suns in Cadent/Mutable houses, but my Uranus is dignified in the 11th – I tend to gratefully ascribe the Fixed energies of that house with helping smooth out that aspect, even if it is the Home Field for rebels .

I would be very curious to know what has happened at times when the Jupiter/Vertex conj in the 8th (trining Sun/Saturn/Neptune, squaring Mars and sextiling Pluto) has been activated by a transiting body!! I see a mental doorway being blown wide open….. has she experienced any odd psychic encounters in the past several years??

I love the Watery Grand Trine in Fiery houses!! And throw in the kite with Venus/Mars, it’s a lovely collection of energies The wide Venus/Mars conj opposite Moon is a fun one to deal with too ;-D What sometimes feels like an emotional blockage can get loosened up by the presence of Mars there to energize/infuse the opposition and alleviate some of the blockage. Of course, that energizing can come out in a short-fuse temper when her Scales are out of balance ;-)

I’d very much like to know what her career is!! I want to know how she deals with the Mars in Virgo perfectionistic streak and tunnel vision focused on getting the details right (“There is no forest, there are only trees”), with that Cancerian MC and most of Leo in the 10th. This woman could be a mystic, or involved in paranormal investigations – she could be a very active yet deliberate thinker. I don’t see an Airy personality who could talk until your ears bleed – not with Saturn on the Asc, but I see excellent communications skills if she isn’t held back, by her own fears and possible self-esteem issues, from expressing herself fully.

Saturn bang on the Ascendant could be a constant cold water faucet when her Scales are swinging towards cheerful and optimistic. Has she merged her Sun and Moon energies to relax/mitigate this dampening effect, or does she stay mostly on the sidelines in social situations and observe?? Not every Libran is a social butterfly, but I have no doubt that the Sun trine Jupiter brings a sunny open facet to her personality. Has she ever struggled with her weight??

I’m mainly concerned about her 12th house issues. I know where I came from, and how difficult it is to escape – but the rewards?? Fabulous!!

What is she doing with her Cardinal energies?? Please give us a few facts so we can explore new avenues instead of generalizing, OK Randall?? You say she’s had some tough obstacles – Inner, or Outer??

Zala

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some reward coming along when Pluto and Jupiter conjunct on the 11th, they will be sextile her Sun and square her Venus/Mars midpoint.
Geo (and lala?), I feel ambivalent about the "reward" thang, in fact I feel a little concern for the lady -- that tJupiter/tPluto conjunction will be only minutes away from squaring her Moon. I feel some kind of (uncharacteristic?) emotional extravagance is possible -- is this a valid tack to pursue??

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posted November 19, 2007 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are two things that stand out for me.

Her tVenus in the 12th house - This is a very difficult placement, even in transit. If she is in a relationship, the person she is involved with may be acting like an enemy in some way. Or she may be sabotaging herself in a relationship. Even if neither is the case, the venus there can be causing deep-seated issues to be acted out in some way - depression, feeling hopless, etc.

With TN, moon, and uranus in the 5th house, I'm thinking I could be onto something with a relationship, since the 5th rules sex, and also fun activities, which includes friends. Uranus is getting closer to her nMoon, so things may become worse before they get better. Ditto with tVenus and nNeptune in the 12th.

Mars is in proximity to her natal Uranus and it's Rx, so that will be another difficult transit. She has a pattern of uranus maladies occuring, both natal and transiting. tMars will pass over her nUranus the same time her tUranus will pass over her nMoon. Ouch!

The tMars in her 9th is puzzling. I don't think the 9th just rules college, religion, and court cases, but it rules a higher meaning in consciousness. So, with tMars going over her nUranus she is shaken to the core, no doubt.

The 2nd thing is her tSaturn poised to touch her nMars (There's that ditto again - same as natal and tranisting Uranus!!) She's getting it from both possiblr ways with mars and uranus, so they are KEY to understanding her problem. I think if we think about mars and uranus, we get a huge clue into her problems: They are unpredictable, fierce, and unrelenting.

There may be a lot of anger directed towards her and within her (since she has both transiting influences and natal one's simultaneously.)

Continuing, tSat will go over her nMars, and nVenus. Again, ouch! And again, there's that double whammy with venus - it's both a violator and a victim, since it's transiting a bad place and being hit by a bad transit.

The tSat in the 11th brings up friends again. It also brings up hopes and wishes,which brings up hopelessness again. Remember I mentioned that from the 9th house.

Sigh...she just has to hang in there...there is nothing else to do.

PS - is there a possibility, no matter how remote, she could possibly get arrested? Maybe she may end up doing something stupid, like acting out all her frustrations, in a criminal way? If so, it's a possibilty in the transits, BUT if she exercises control she should be fine. Bring this up if you think it's a possibility.
It occurs to me, since her 5th and 11th are involved that this *could* be in relation to a child.

With the 9th, I'm sure she must be questioning the purpose of everything..life, love, family, religion...

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posted November 19, 2007 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's her Transit Rhythmogram:

tUranus opp Mars in 2008 could be rocky, but the real *fun* will come in 2009-10 when tUranus conjuncts nMoon and tPluto squares nVenus -- I have a feeling tPluto to Moon is just the warm-up act for those two.....

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posted November 20, 2007 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

Hi Randall,

Any confirmation or feedback? There's one other thing I noticed, it looks like some serious health issues are coming up for her or a spouse and possibly some loss. I hope she's alright.

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posted November 20, 2007 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She was born with Saturn right on her Ascendent. This is total bastid!! She is my soulmate. I'd like to make contact with her.

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Randall
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posted November 20, 2007 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll see if she wants to share details.

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posted November 20, 2007 08:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, Everyone....I have returned....

Why is Happy Dragon's chart pitch black?


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"A gifted mind needs a gifted heart to sympathize others who are in vain."

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lol...welcome back!

Randall, I hope she's ok.

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posted November 23, 2007 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Financial, health, and relationship problems.

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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posted November 23, 2007 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Randall, I'm so sorry for not replying to this thread, I don't know how could I have missed this one!

I have added her birth data so I will come up with her report shortly. Hang on!

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posted November 23, 2007 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re: ** Financial, health, and relationship problems.**

in short .. i would think possibly it's due to how she and her partner ..
are **Reacting** to the Pluto transit ..
are the health problems due to stress and worry ???
has that had a knock on effect to her finances .. ??
has the relationship problems effected her health and finances ???
what transits is her partner Reacting to .. ???
given that Pluto transit has been effecting her personal planets
Mars .. Moon .. and is applying to effect her natal Venus and Lillith ..
there's a good bet the same transit is effecting her partner ..
given there's a probability those personal planets are part of the Synastry interplay ..

she could possibly do with some *good advice on how to handle a Pluto transit* ..
i.e. from an emotional point of view ..

ditto for that potential Chiron transit ..

those transits will not last for ever ..
hence neither will the effect on her emotional state ..

however the Consequences of How she handles them probably will ..

unfortunately that Pluto transit won't be over untill the end of 2009 ..
and she's likely to Feel the emotional effect when she gets some of the shorter term transits ..
so by knowing When those shorter transits will take place ..
she could be Ready to deal with How they might effect her ..
( i.e. her behaviour and state of mind )
instead of being effected by them as if they came out of the blue ..

Pluto transits for example are often accompanied by egocentric personal power trips ..
which in turn often Invites ill feelings from others ..
.. and potentially subsequent defensive or agressive action from others ..
resulting in some form of power struggle ..

it sort of goes like this with the transiting astrological influences ..
if one were to be burned by fire .. but didn't know what fire was in the first place ..
or for that matter could not see the fire .. only feel its effect on one's body ..
then what ??? .. how would one explain the burn ??
blame it on someone else ??? .. think that oneself is going crazy ??

but if ones knows about fire in the first place and the potential effect it has on one's body ..
then it's a different story .. is it not ?

just replace 'fire' with 'astrological influence' ..

don't know if that helps .. but ..
that's my two cents worth for now ..

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posted November 23, 2007 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for confirming Randall,

Unfortunately I'm going out of town in a half hour and can't clarify, but I don't think there is any need to now. She only asked for what is reflected in the chart right now. I think most of the people in this thread hit the nail on the head. I wish her good luck and hope she can hold on through the coming years.

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posted December 19, 2007 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When might she expect a career change?

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posted December 19, 2007 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you give us a general idea what she's doing now??

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posted December 19, 2007 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's a waitress at IHOP.

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posted December 19, 2007 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is she taking night classes or some other vocational training?? Does she have another career that perhaps she lost her job in??

Jupiter sextile Saturn:
Dec 13th - Dec 22nd

Cooperation and successful collaboration in the business and professional world are highlighted during this time. Even if you are normally quite aggressive and hard-edged in your career, you are in more of a mood than usual to cooperate, to hear others out and to implement their ideas by blending them with the best of your own. Legal matters and governmental matters of all kinds run very smoothly now; if you are a lawyer or law clerk, you will particularly enjoy the effects of the current energy. But if you are involved in any legal disputes or involvements with government agencies in any capacity, this is a time when a successful resolution can be reached. This is a good time to bring about increased harmony and cooperation in any organization, club or business that you take part in. Utilize your current diplomatic abilities to benefit the greater good. If there has been any trouble or miscommunication of late at work or in your club or organizati on, do not hesitate to jump right in and see if you can right the previously unbalanced energy that was at work up till now.

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I'm going out of town in a half hour and can't clarify, but I don't think there is any need to now. She only asked for what is reflected in the chart right now. I think most of the people in this thread hit the nail on the head.
Your cryptic statement intrigues me
What do you see that prompted "she only asked for what is reflected"?? Please grant us the benefit of your insights to help us learn

Randall, the tPluto to nMoon will push her to want changes in most facets of her life, including employment. Sometimes it feels like struggling inside the eggshell, hammering with your eggtooth with all your might to see daylight and breathe fresh air. Jupiter has changed houses and Pluto will soon follow. The largest, and the powerfulest, planets will be occupying her 3rd house. Perhaps in a few months the trigger will arrive (in the form of the tNN opp nPluto in X) that will give her a shove onto another path where she can find more lucrative gainful employment.....

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posted December 19, 2007 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It wasn't cryptic. She was just saying that it was clarified that she was having financial/health/relationship problems and that is basically what you three already said you saw in her chart. You already covered what she was asking ABOUT (for)... what she wanted to know. But now there is a question about career change which it looks like you are addressing... since she needs to know how to work with the energies in the best manner to reach her goals.

Zala, I didn't know you were such a kick-a astrologer. Maybe I SHOULD give you my birth data... or maybe NOT hehe ... 8th house girl doesn't like to give up all of her secrets...

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