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Topic: My lover's AC-total mystery!Help!
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Awakening
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posted February 19, 2008 08:11 AM
 
Hello!
I simply cannot figure it out. We had two original birth times, corrected them by using an old William Lily method, and yet we know nothing certain for sure. Any suggestions of other possible ACs are highly welcomed!!Please!!...Each time when we want some in-depth synastry analysis we discuss which is better for hours and leave the astrological puzzle unfinished as always...
  
Thank you so much!!! Here are some pics, oldies and newer: http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z92/StrengthVIII/An/ He weighs 60 kg(132 pounds) at 1.72 m(5.83 feet) and smokes a lot despite the fact he's got some digestive problems. In July 2002 he ripped some small part of skin from his lower arm when he fell from a tall, sharp fence; that's how he got a visible scar over there. His parents have always neglected him, they're like strangers in a single house. No brothers or sisters. I know a lot of aquintances and have few aquintances-friends but he's my only true friend. He only just knows aquintances and that's all. I'm the only one,for example,whom he talks to on the yahoo messenger. Apart from common interests he distinguishes from myself by studying Virology and stuff regarding the Army like planes, in the past having almost an obsession with weapons,combat vehicles,war strategies,etc. IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
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posted February 19, 2008 08:35 AM
I would've said either Aquarius, Aries, Pisces or Capricorn. He already has an Aquarius Mars, so maybe that's where I got Aqua vibes. He has 3 planets in Capricorn and NN conjunct Ceres in Pisces.
But nothing in Aries as far as I can see.. so I'd go with Aries. If I had to pick from the two charts above - Sagittarius Asc looks more likely. I don't think it's Leo. IP: Logged |
alma-noble
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posted February 19, 2008 08:53 AM
I wonder how sure are these two birth times. I mean sure is one or another? No other option ?In this case I will go for leo because of his long hair. I know two men they wear long hair and both are leo rising. Also look to the planets position in houses and notice what is more relevant between this two options. Look to Moon in 12th / Moon in 8th, Venus in 12th / Venus in 7th and so on ... what do you think is more likely to be? IP: Logged |
NeptunianFire
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posted February 19, 2008 10:39 AM
I agree with alma-noble. Look at house positions to see which is more accurate. As long as you have a good handle on what each means you can see which fits him best.But based on appearance (and I have a lot of experience with this), I'd go with Sag. Why? Thin eyebrows, thin, long nose bridge, hair that falls over face, thin body. All significators of Sag Ascendant. Leo Ascendant has long hair but it is not usually hanging over the face and the appearance is much more stately: broad shoulders, larger torso, etc. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
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posted February 19, 2008 12:03 PM
Leo rising almost always gives a person a "widows peak", the pointy "Count Dracula" type hair line. Too many men have long hair who have no Leo at all, but if no widow's peak, then consider the Sagittarius.Edit: OK, I looked at the pictures and he has no widows peak, so I'm thinking no Leo Rising. His very dark appearance and very thick black hair gives me the feeling of a Scorpio Rising or Capricorn rising. How are you testing these measurements? Are you using Solar Arcs and transits to test those angles with his life events? Geocosmic Valentine ------------------
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Awakening
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posted February 19, 2008 02:12 PM
Thanks for the replies. I added some other facts about him few minutes ago 
About the birth times:my bf thought all of a sudden 10:00 am was the right one and his mom said 8:30 pm, without even being 15% sure. She sais now she doesn't know. I corrected them as soon as I found out about Lily's method on a Romanian astrological forum. It sais that:
1.The Moon's sign at birth is the same as the AC at the moment of conception.
2.The conception Moon's sign is the AC's or DC's sign at birth.
3.W.Lily said he used to correct natal charts when he wasn't sure about the birth time. His method differs from the Trutine of Hermes!
4.It doesn't matter whether the Moon is cresecent or not as it was for the Trutine of Hermes!
5.If the Moon is found from the 7th to the 12th house we calculate the distance between natal Moon and natal DC, the Moon being above the earth from the Descendant.
6.If the Moon is found from the 1st to the 6th house we calculate the distance between natal Moon and natal AC, the Moon being under the earth from the Ascendant.
7.After we find out the number of degrees, we look in the table to find out the gestation period expressed in days.
 My example:
-original birth time-19:25. AC:16Vir25' Moon:20Tau30
-the Moon is above the Earth-9th house ; 263-264 days; 65 degrees = 2 signs and 5 minutes
-go back 264 days and get the chart for the 24th of May 1988, 19:25; adjust the chart clockwise only so that its AC has the same sign and degree as the natal Moon; therefore, on the 25th of May 1988 we get a 19Vir04' Moon and a 20Tau53 AC.
-go back again to the previous natal chart; adjust the wheel clockwise only so that the right AC we wanted to obtain is the same as the conception Moon; now, the natal AC is 19Vir04'.
I basically translated it from that forum. My hour was given as an example. I used it for the two hours long time ago, although I have some doubts,like that kind of feeling something's fishy...I am so sorry...I am now feeling bad... IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted February 19, 2008 02:19 PM
^ Come again? Could you explain all the above again because i didn't make much sense.
[you see, i'm a bit uncertain about my birth hour and i'd like to test that method, you never know]IP: Logged |
Sarai
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posted February 19, 2008 02:42 PM
Geocosmic, isnt the widow's peak genetic? Is it still possible for those without Leo ASC to have it because I'm a Gemini ASC and I have the peak. And I know Leo risings who who not have it....IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
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posted February 19, 2008 07:13 PM
Hi Sarai,I know the widows peak can be genetic, but there are many people who believe that in some ways the astrological chart mirrors a persons DNA, so it could all be one and the same. You can also get a widows peak if someone has a lot of planets packed in Leo, but no Leo Ascendant. Many Libras have dimples or deep lines in their faces when they smile, but not all of them. Many Libra Ascendants have dimples without having any planets in Libra. I've seen dimples on people who have a heavily aspected Venus, even though they have an empty Libra and no Libra Ascendant, but there's something about Libra and Venus that bestows dimples on ya. I have a friend who has the slightest widows peak even though he has no Leo planets, but he's a Scorpio with giant watery stellium and I think it pushing out some Leonine qualities from his Sun, it's like his hairline is always trying to have a widows peak, but it's ever so slight. But, you have to start somewhere when you are trying to rectify someone's chart and those kinds of characteristics help out. Sorry I wrote a book here on the subject. Geocosmic Valentine ------------------
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CoralFrequency
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posted February 19, 2008 07:23 PM
Ok I looked at the pics again. In my opinion.. it's definitely a fire sign ascendant, no buts about that. His chart is much too lacked in fire for someone who has something fiery in his stare.. so it has to be the Asc.Since Aries was not even mentioned.. I'd definitely go with Sagittarius, because he does not look proud or conceited enough to be a Leo Asc, nor is he conventional. Usually Leo influenced men (as far as I've seen) have a fairly clear cut look.. even with the long hair.. they'll put ten gallons of gel and stuff in their hair and make themselves beautiful daily. Also, because they are fixed they like conventions, and classic looks.. unless their Leo placements conjunct Uranus (or something along those lines). Sagittarius is much more likely to strike out of convention. So is Aquarius.. but his Mars is already there, and something tells me he isn't a double Aquarius. He has enough fixed influence.. I doubt that the Asc is fixed also.. because he seems too fluid looking and easygoing.. Not fixated on anything in particular.. and his eyes are wondering a bit in every photo – which is a Sagittarian trademark. IP: Logged |
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posted February 19, 2008 08:55 PM
I definitely see Scorpio, but don't see it very prominently elsewhere in his chart. Just a possibility...(Plus the mention of his interests. Those that I know with those kinds of obsessions have serious Pluto going on.) Geo...I just guessed someone's AC by their dimples!
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Awakening
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posted February 20, 2008 05:20 AM
Hello to all of you and many many thanks for your help! 
GreenFairy, look at the table once again here:
One hour ago I downloaded 'Christian Astrology III' by W.Lily http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0Z218VM6. Page 502 and forward and stumbled upon two Romanian sites where the hour could be rectified online instantly. I asked my mom once again and she said precisely that 19:40 is more accurate than 19:25 and decided to test it.
http://mihneafiran.ro/rectificare_trutina.php
But there are only Romanian cities there. Anyway, the rectified hour was surprisingly 19:39. I put the less accurate 19:25 and got 19:14. And 19:14 could not be at all.
I noticed a link that opened a detailed page about the Trutine of Hermes and its footnote said that...Lily himself noticed some inaccuracies even with few degrees although the hours were known to be precisely. This method ought to be used when the difference between supposed hours of an individual is no more than 2 hours!The result promises to show the real AC but not the exact degrees...
The other site works for all countries. http://astrologikon.com/TrutinaLuiHermes.php
Ora de vara=Daylight Saving Time
After you click on 'Afiseaza' click again on
Introduceti coordonatele manual for a better accuracy.
It showed me 20:41:58. Not a big difference but the message said clearly that I should not trust this date...
It's this one:
Localitatea conceptiei s-a considerat a fi aceeasi cu localitatea nasterii. Pentru a putea modifica localitatea conceptiei, va rugam sa va autentificati.
Data observata: Feb 12 1989ad ora 7:40:00pm
Iesire fortata - corectia orei de nastere prea mare. Cel mai plauzibil rezultat obtinut este Feb 12 1989 ora 8:41:58pm, dar ori diferenta dintre momentul observat al nasterii si momentul calculat este prea mare, ori retrutinarea orei duce la alt rezultat. Poate conceptia a fost in alt oras decat cel al nasterii? Sau nasterea nu a fost naturala?
NU RECOMANDAM folosirea acestei ore de nastere.The place of conception was considered to be the same as the place of birth. To modify the conception date, please register.
Forced exit-the rectification is too big. The most possible outcome is Feb 12 1989 8:41:58pm, either the difference between the initial birth hour and the calculated one is too big or rectifying again the hour leads to a different result. Did the conception happen elsewhere?Was it a natural birth?
WE DON'T RECOMMEND this hour to be used. For my darling I got 10:04am or 9:04:02 pm. The charts remain unchanged except for the second:Rx Neptune moves from the first house to the second. IP: Logged |
Awakening
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posted February 20, 2008 06:06 AM
Unfortunately, we don't know other hours besides 10:03(10:04)am(early leo), 8:30pm( late scorpio)-rectified to be 9:04 or 9:11(early sagittarius)
I used to regularly believe it was leo. The difference between the composite Mars,Mercury,Sun,Venus and Uranus,Saturn,Neptune placements. I uploaded the two composites on my album here http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z92/StrengthVIII/?albumview=link The composite when he's got the scorpio AC doesn't differ from the one with his sag AC Whenever I weigh the pros and contras it's always 50/50...the placements differ but they still explain the same traits...it's like the same food served on different plates. What a chart doesn't show , the other does and viceversa...
I forgot to mention that his great-great-great-grandfather is Italian...could this add to the sag AC? IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted February 20, 2008 10:14 AM
I know you got your own problems now, but i tried that astrologikon link and that's what came up for meData observata: Jul 16 1985ad ora 10:10:00am Perioada gestatiei a fost de 282 zile, cu 9 zile mai lunga decat normal.
Conceptia a avut loc la data Oct 07 1984 ora 1:40:51pm
Momentul exact al nasterii: Jul 16 1985 ora 10:30:46am
Problem is, i was a premature baby [seven-month old baby]. What do i do now?
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Awakening
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posted February 20, 2008 11:02 AM
Don't worry!
Data observata: Jul 16 1985ad ora 10:10:00am
Your original birth date and hour.
Perioada gestatiei a fost de 282 zile, cu 9 zile mai lunga decat normal.
The gestation period lasted 282 days, 9 days longer than usual.
Conceptia a avut loc la data Oct 07 1984 ora 1:40:51pm
The conception took place on...
Momentul exact al nasterii: Jul 16 1985 ora 10:30:46am
The rectified time is...
Oh, now I see the program needs its final adjustments...those site bugs...If you were a premature child the gestation period couldn't have been lomger than usual!!!The first site seemed to be more accurate, also because you could introduce gestation months from the 6th to the final, but it's not available for other countries...  IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted February 20, 2008 11:26 AM
I checked the first link, it only has Romanian cities.
I'm from Greece, it's a bit close [just a bit lol] so i used a Romanian city to calculate it [Giurgiu - the closest to Bulgaria]
Anonim - harta natala rectificata
16 iulie 1985 10:08 (GMT+3) 43n53 25e57 [My place's lat/long. is 26e44/37n48]
GiurgiuAnonim - harta prenatala
30 noiembrie 1984 18:14 (GMT+2) 43n53 25e57
Giurgiu
Perioada medie de gestatie: 218.573 zile
Luna scade in lumina.
Luna este deasupra orizontului.
Perioada de gestatie a fost mai mare decat perioada medie.
Luna din harta prenatala este conjuncta cu Descendentul natal.
Rezultat Ora natala rectificata: 16 iulie 1985 10:08 (GMT+3) Perioada de gestatie: 227.62 zile
Ascendent natal rectificat: 12° 21 Virgo
Luna in harta natala: 3° 16 Cancer
Ascendent prenatal: 3° 26 Cancer
Luna in harta prenatala: 12° 24 Pisces
Is there anything i can do now? any subtractions? IP: Logged |
Awakening
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posted February 20, 2008 12:09 PM
No, the program does everything
I'm going to translate other 2 ways of rectifying the hour from the first site but some other time...you know that I can only type with one hand at the moment and I don't think I'm gonna get all of a sudden 'active' with my left one...
One of those methods can be found in the book uploaded on megaupload.IP: Logged |
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posted February 20, 2008 01:00 PM
There is an ancient astrological 'rule' -- if you do not know the birth time for sure you put it down as 6 am.If however you know he was born later in the morning ... hmmm. You analyse both charts in ALL their details to come to the conclusion which is right. In which case you can figure out the asc. ------------------
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