posted February 20, 2008 04:42 PM            

Transiting Jupiter in Capricorn is exactly trine your Mercury which rules your third house of "the frame of mind", mercury rules hands, communication, speech. Did you hear him speak. Once again, Jupiter in Capricorn is bringing in the law, thrust of though, politics. My own flow of thoughts just wants to say "happy speech".

I find it interesting that you used the words "weird" "exciting" and "strange clammy hands". Transiting Uranus is exactly opposing your Mercury. Uranus in Pisces is wet, Uranus is "strange" and "exciting" Pisces brings in the "clammy" and Mercury is "hands". I don't know what a Leo vibe would be like, but Clinton has CHARISMA leaking out all over the please which is suggested by his conjunction of Neptune-Mars-Venus right at his Ascendant. He can charm his way through almost anything. It's also what makes him "bullet proof". Bullets would slide right off of him.

I find it fascinating that you saw him just hours before an eclipse that will happen right next to Saturn tonight, Saturn also suggests governmental power.

Whether you like Clinton or not, it sounds like it was an exciting time.

I saw Bill and Hillary for about 5 seconds in the summer of 1992, I was passing by a rally while riding a bus that was being re-routed. It's strange but true, Bill Clinton has some kind of a glow or a presence, which to me attests to that combination of the Mars-Venus-Neptune conjunction along with that "Leo vibe". Now that I just said that, I get what you mean by Leo vibe now. He's got it.

Wow, Stillatlarge, you touched power in a crowd today, that's what I see in this chart. Or, Power touched you today. Hope you had fun.

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posted February 20, 2008 05:06 PM            

To add a controversial note to it all, I'm wondering if the eclipse signals Hillary's light going out or since the eclipse happens so close to Saturn, does it mean that Obama's light goes out. Here's the controversial part.

I've read that Vedic astrology considers Saturn to be the planet of dark skin people (mind you, I'm African American so I debate this with myself all the time, but it's been valid in many circumstances, including for myself). With the eclipse so close to Saturn, could this be the light going out for a dark skin person of power, or it could just be power. It could be a million things, but it's interesting to think about, especially with Mundane Astrology.

I also think that this day will be on your mind for quite some time, even just in terms of what you said about your aura touching power. Your chart suggests that you've got some charisma in terms of what your career will be, and it looks like what ever you do will be some kind of management or coaching in a caring and or humanitarian capacity. If you're still studying law, perhaps Clinton's foundation would be a good contact or resource for you. You might want to tell them that you made a point to shake hands with him in Texas and yada, yada, yada...

If that's your interest. But still in all whether you like him or not, it's an exciting day.

OH, and the clammy weirdness thing, Uranus is exactly conjunct your Chiron also, the wounded healer, maybe that's why it felt kina creepy LOL!! Some astrologer think that Chiron is also a ruler of Virgo. Sorry about the slimy hands electrical eel hand he slipped you. But imagine how many hands he had to shake like that. Oh well. Thanks for sharing your experience with us today, I love hearing about meetings like this.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 20, 2008 05:24 PM              

I think GV covered it

posted February 20, 2008 06:02 PM            

But I agree, we're all being manipulated, they are putting on a good show, I'm entertained by it kind of like a reality show guilty pleasure.

I haven't checked out Obama's chart, there doesn't seem to be a correct birth time for his chart, but I know some good rectification experts who seem to be doing well with their charts, but still I haven't really looked.

Hillary's chart shows that she could win, but I don't like the idea that her chart will switch places with the U.S. Chart. Her chart invites attack and that's the last thing our country needs, but she's definitely got the power signatures of a president with her Pluto-Saturn conjunction in the 9th house of government, law, justice and foreign policy. She's got the jet fuel for this job.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 20, 2008 06:16 PM              

I've had one real bad thing happen lately when someone died before I could fulfill what I felt was meant. My lawsuit is still dragging. I still don't know where my s.o. is. Other than those things, not sure. I've definitely felt the effects of Uranus I think with things coming from the blue, but they've been positive for most part. No LOVE at all unfortunately. Financially though, never better! Even won at the casino. It's been pretty exciting that way.

Pluto on the SN could indicate a death. Sorry for your loss.

tMars is about to cross your NN. Be cautious and alert during this time.

Maybe when tChiron leaves your 7th house you'll find someone.

tJupiter is in your 6th house of everday activities - no surprise you're lucky.

tSat is going over your stellium in the 2nd. That is probably making you get your finances together or getting your values and self-worth in shape; maybe both.

tUranus is about to enter your 9th house of lawsuits, so expect surprises.

posted February 20, 2008 06:32 PM            

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Pluto on the SN could indicate a death. Sorry for your loss.

tMars is about to cross your NN. Be cautious and alert during this time.

Maybe when tChiron leaves your 7th house you'll find someone.

tJupiter is in your 6th house of everday activities - no surprise you're lucky.

tSat is going over your stellium in the 2nd. That is probably making you get your finances together or getting your values and self-worth in shape; maybe both.

tUranus is about to enter your 9th house of lawsuits, so expect surprises.

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Cautious and alert in what way? Accidents?
What kind of surprises in the lawsuit? I've been procrastinating a LOT about things I've been supposed to do for it and I can't stand this lawyer. I have to call him in the next few days and I have to get going on these things NOW. I've put it off so long because I would almost rather walk in there alone than with him. I really have zero faith in him. If you can shed any further light on it I'd appreciate it.

posted February 20, 2008 06:46 PM              

Nodes/Mars
Mars with the nodes is the most dynamic for action of any other planet. Mars holds some similarities to Pluto in regards to new enterprise, except with Mars, the individual initiates the activities taking place. An example of the type of new ventures is seen in our recent exploration of the planet Mars itself. During the time that the US surface scanner, Sojourner, was on its way to Mars, Mars itself turned retrograde, spending several months within a conjunction to the transiting North Node. At the time that Mars again reached its original stationary retrograde position and formed a conjunction to the North Node of the Pathfinder enterprise chart, the scanner landed on Mars. The entry into new territories and the pioneering activity of Mars is quite evident in this historical event. The fact that it was Mars itself being explored is exemplary!

Mars with the nodes give the courage to follow through on new ideas, and striking out one one’s own, however there is more of a tendency to take risks. Caution should be applied to the types of risks taken since the combination also attracts law enforcement officers. The recent Mars/node conjunction timed numerous citations for speeding and reckless traffic violations for many individuals in whose chart the pair contacted the natal Mars. For several personal acquaintances, two or more citations were received within days of each other. With these contacts, tremendous energies come bursting forth in an effort to maintain the personal identity. Mars is also the most often noted link to the nodes at the times of accidents, due almost exclusively to sudden careless actions. Confrontations are very likely to surface with this connection and there are increased mechanical breakdowns and malfunctions, also notable in the recent Pathfinder exploration

Nodes/Pluto
Links of Pluto with one of the nodes is quite dynamic. Pluto is associated with new strength in confronting and overcoming limitations while the nodes also time periods of exceptional strength in facing situations once and for all. Together, they show a time of reckoning with deep and powerful psychological issues.

Because the nodes are reflective of lunar qualities associated with the domestic environment, paired with Pluto, they often translate into literal transformations or reorganization taking place within the home or family unit. Circumstances are often somewhat tumultuous in the home, and/or renovations are taking place. There is a “coming to terms” with inner needs.

This Pluto link also brings termination and times the closure of significant issues, especially if there have been conflicts of interest. Immovable force meets with immovable force, and a collision of interests often results in a victory for one and defeat for another. A previous set of circumstances is rearranged upon a new foundation. Pluto is often involved with the nodes when divorce occurs. Together, this pair is significant of sexual issues of all kinds and it has been found linked to rape. There are death and rebirth situations, and an actual death could occur. This combination has been found to be a significant factor in suicides, overdoses, and murder, as well as hold ups, shootings, and other personal attacks.

These Pluto/node connections are also linked to both kidnappings and forced custodial changes. Relating to reproduction, the pairing may also coincide with miscarriages, abortions, and vasectomies.

The link of the nodes with Pluto is significant also of new enterprise and of financial matters. The house ruled by Pluto should also be considered in judging the probable area of life that comes into focus.

In addition to the changes initiated or encountered by the individual with a node/Pluto contact, on a larger scale it can be witnessed to produce a change in consciousness by the masses when it is the transiting node upon the natal Pluto of a generation.

If you have enemies, be prudent in your dealings with them - 12th represents hidden enemies. But I don't want to frighten you, because there are many ways this could play out; it doesn't mean soemthing will happen to you. I only mention it because I'd feel remiss if I didn't.

From a non-astrological viewpoint, I don't like that you have "zero faith" in your attorney. Can you get a new one or would that be too expensive?

Uranus in your 9th could be a good thing, like an unexpected win and you DO have tonight's eclipse happening in your 2nd house of money with the eclipse's sun on your natal saturn in the 8th of other people's money.

The ruler of your 7th house of lawsuits is in your 9th house of court outcomes - that may be good! The ruler of your 7th (uranus) is in your 2nd house of material things. The ruler of your ninth, neptune, is in your 4th. Does this lawsuit have to do with family or home?

posted February 20, 2008 06:47 PM            

It's possible that Pluto conjunct Nodal Axis is a part of that in synthesis, but I don't think Pluto conjunct Node is by itself is enough to suggest death. But it makes me want to ask if the person was a female, a mother figure who had some prominence. She didn't have to be wildly famous, but could have been a well liked prominent professor, city council woman, etc.

I just looked up Pluto conjunct Nodal Axis again and the strong key phrases that came up were:

"Identification with a large group; making very important contacts; a life-significant relationship."

Maybe you will meet that special someone after all.

Hey wait a minute, you're not dating Bill are you??? Alright, alright!! LOL!! I couldn't resist kidding you. Here's my hand, you can smack it.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 20, 2008 06:58 PM            

I'm sure that was part of it, what I was clarifying it that Pluto conjunct the Nodal Axis, whether north or south, isn't enough in itself to suggest death, it's more than likely that there were other measurements involved.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted February 20, 2008 07:17 PM            

What was going on with the planet that ruled his 8th house? His 10th house?

Was anything happening with natal Saturn?

Are there any planets in his 8th house?

Were any of the outer planets affecting those 8th house planets?

Was anything happening with his natal Saturn?

posted February 20, 2008 08:20 PM            

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My thought is that the death is suggested by transiting Saturn conjunct Uranus in December/January. Saturn sat stationary for a while just past 8 degrees 30 minutes Virgo, which is close enough to your 8th house ruler Uranus and strong enough to be consider a conjunction. Your Uranus rules the 8th house of death, taxes, finances and other people's money.
It's possible that Pluto conjunct Nodal Axis is a part of that in synthesis, but I don't think Pluto conjunct Node is by itself is enough to suggest death. But it makes me want to ask if the person was a female, a mother figure who had some prominence. She didn't have to be wildly famous, but could have been a well liked prominent professor, city council woman, etc.

I just looked up Pluto conjunct Nodal Axis again and the strong key phrases that came up were:

"Identification with a large group; making very important contacts; a life-significant relationship."

Maybe you will meet that special someone after all.

Hey wait a minute, you're not dating Bill are you??? Alright, alright!! LOL!! I couldn't resist kidding you. Here's my hand, you can smack it.

Geocosmic Valentine

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The person who died was a male and FAMOUS. I PRAY that was the one. No woman I know of. My parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles are gone.

THE SUIT IS AGAINST MY MUCH OLDER SISTER OVER MY INHERITANCE!I feel so much better now that you told me I'll probably win. Everything you said about that is on the dime. Time of "reckoning". I felt optimistic for some reason. It would be everything in that description you posted if I win.
She caused my mother to die sooner than she was supposed to. She was terminal but still had time until she took away her medicines, etc. She's hated me all my life and literally tried to make me commit suicide, tried to put me in prison, ruined my reputation, all kinds of things. One of the reasons for the deprived childhood I talked about.I posted about this before. Really ugly, charged situation with a lot at stake historically and emotionally. I just came across a yellow page advertisment for some new probate lawyers. I'm going to call them.
The thing about the significant relationship has me puzzled. I don't get out enough to meet anybody unless it would be at school. The only social thing lately is the casino and I don't go there often.

I've had close calls lately with vehicles and an incident outside the post office where I and the woman with me both felt I was almost attacked. Also, a man hit my vehicle and took off. That's worked out ok so far. He has insurance. I got the message to be careful.

posted February 20, 2008 09:41 PM            

Stillatlarge,

In response to your smack. OUCH!!! (quickly pulling hand away, shaking it dramatically with a guilty half smile half painful grimace on my face.)

Yes, I deserved that. But I'm so glad you explained about your catching the eye of famous people. Usually when someone has a planet or point configured with the Nodal Axis, north or south, the qualities of the planet or point can suggest prominence or fame. It's the same with the Aries Point and you have Nodal Axis exactly conjunct the Aries Point, so it doesn't surprise me one bit that you have been sought out by famous or prominent people or found yourself in very public situations.

And yes, those questions were for Heartcakes. Also, I think you meant to direct your answers about the law suit to LadyNeptune or someone else, that wasn't me, although I did follow your story from the other thread (I think it was one of the other topic rooms) and I remember looking at your sisters chart and seeing that she is a very troubled person, even without the time of her birth. There were aspects in her chart that suggest she was abused and it never came to light but she turned it around and tortured others. Some of the aspects were, when you put them in worse case scenario terms, aspects of true torture.

I also saw her fascination or obsession with what I'll call other people's private bodily functions. It was certainly there. But I won't harp on that right now.

Happy Dragon,

Thanks for the Obama birthdata and the alert to the transits. I'm gonna take a look at those tonight before I go to bed, but I want to get back outside to see the eclipse. All of you have a great evening.

Geocosmic Valentine