posted July 31, 2008 07:35 PM           

The rule is great btw. It seems to be a very reliable one.
Actually it might even explain why some people are attracted to each other without the usual Sun/ moon, Sun / Venus, Sun / Mars, Moon / Venus, Moon / Mars, Venus / Mars, Venus / URanus or Venus / Pluto-synastry.

Especially the connection over conjunction from DSC of one person to ASC or ruler of ASC of the other person, seems to be very attractive to the DSC - person.
Personally I would probably include the 5th house here, too. Oh and btw, a close connection of 8th and 7th house (or 1st or 5th house) can be almost scary in its intensity.

posted July 31, 2008 08:20 PM         

LL, so does that mean that IF both my ex husbands were scorpio rising and their pluto's were trine my mars, conjunct my uranus and pluto there's a high probablilty that i'm either aries/aquarius or scorpio rising?

posted July 31, 2008 09:20 PM         

His DC is either Aries or Taurus. Either would make sense if this theory holds true.

posted August 01, 2008 02:45 AM           

It`s like those persons can`t stay indifferent to each other.
Of course it also works if one has the ruler of DSC / ASC in aspect to the others angle.
Like in my friends` case; his ruler of 7th house conjuncts her DSC. (This is more a sign of familiarity and agreement in relationship- issues than a strong attraction like it would be if there was a connection from 7th to 1st house; the connection from 7th house ruler to DSC is a sign that both peopel have very similiar perception of relationships and want the same in that regard; since this conjunction lands in Capricorn, it`s a very conservative, structured marriage, that gives both people a feeling of security, and that definitely describes the. They also have an attraction thing going on, since her DSC is conjunct his ASC, and again on the Cancer- Capricorn-axis. A high emphasis on family and emotional support and nurturing is there, and it`s important that they can always rely on each other.)

You can see it like this:
The ruler of 7th house is your personal Venus, and the ruler of 1st house is your personal Mars.

So, a connection between 7th houses would be like a Venus-Venus-connection, while house 7 and house 1 in aspect would be like Venus-Mars.
The first one is more harmonious, beautiful, soft (depending on the signs of course), while the other one is very OOMPH.

However, the 1st house and 7th house of course are multilayered and much more individual than Venus or Mars-positions. Therefore a connection here is way stronger than a simple Venus-Mars-aspect, unless Venus or Mars rule these houses.
The ASC represents our most basic nature, instinctive behaviour, body, smell, anything like this. And if that comes together with the attraction pattern of the other person- boom, the DSC person will be magnetically drawn to the ASC-person.
Of course you have to consider the other aspects, too. A Saturn square to that magnetic connection might dampen it significantly. I personally think the attraction may still be there, but it is suppressed in some cases.

posted August 01, 2008 03:42 AM         

Lara, you must be amassing a lot of clues now, to work out ascendants!!! Maybe it's time to put together a thread on it!

posted August 01, 2008 04:32 AM         

What sort of role does the MC play in relationships, in your opinion? I ask because my Sun at 16º Sag is exactly (0º) conjunct my SO's MC. Coincidentally, my Sun is the ruler of my own MC. Does Blashke discuss the MC-IC axis in personal relationships? (Edit: I think I've asked you before about what the author had to say about this, but I'm more interested in your personal opinion.)

Besides that, we have...
* co-ruler of my ASC conjunct his DSC (1º)
Like a Mars-Venus aspect.

* co-ruler of my 5th house conjunct his DSC (2º)
Sun-Venus

* ruler of my DSC square ruler of his 8th house (0º)
Venus-Pluto

* ruler of my 8th house widely opp ruler of his DSC and IC
Pluto-Venus, Pluto-Moon

* ruler of my IC opposes ruler of his DSC and IC (2º)
Moon-Venus, Moon-Moon

I guess the ones I put in bold would be considered the strongest b/c they're conjunctions and oppositions & are also tight orbs.

posted August 01, 2008 05:05 AM           

his 1st house ruler conjunct my DC
his 1st house ruler square my 7th house ruler
his IC ruler square my 1st house ruler
his 1st house ruler square my 8th house ruler
his 8th house ruler square my 1st house ruler
his 7th house ruler sextile my AC
his 8th house ruler sextile my AC
his 4th house ruler sextile my AC
my IC ruler conjunct his DC
my IC ruler semi-square his 7th house ruler
my IC ruler semi-square his IC ruler
my 1st house ruler square his 7th house ruler
my 1st house ruler trine his AC
my 7th house ruler opp his IC
my 4th house ruler sextile his IC
my 5th house ruler trine his AC
my 5th house ruler trine his IC
his 5th house ruler trine my DC
his Chiron conjunct my AC
my Chiron conjunct his IC

ehhh that`s heavy

posted August 01, 2008 08:58 AM           

"'ve always loved when you talk about house rulers. You taught me all I know."
I like to serve.
Nah not really, but I am glad my talking about house rulers were of use to you.
I think they are invaluable, and if you don`t include them in your interpretation, there is a huge part missing.

"What sort of role does the MC play in relationships, in your opinion?"
I`m not sure, it has something to do with the public face you have, with one`s career, but I also recently heard the interpretation of it as "future-oriented", and I like that interpretation. It also gives a certain structure to a relationship I think. And as nice being in love is, you need some solid foundation to build your relationship on, and it can only be good if yous hare some goals. I think it may show your direction in life, your expectation of life. And a lot of people share MC-aspects with their spouses. There must be something to it.
Also, we tend to say the 10th or even the 11th or the 6th house are unromantic houses, but if a person has the ruler of DSC in those unromantic houses, then this is EXACTLY what this person wants and needs and is attracted to (and therefore these houses become a bit more romantic to the person), and if you happen to have important planets in these houses, then you probably fit very well into the partner-pattern of that person.

Ex. Someone has the ruler of DSC in 9th house, he WANTS and NEEDS all 9th house issues lke philosophy and travel and spiritiuality and teaching and what more there is. And therefore he will be heavily drawn to someone who triggers these things in him.
Anything can become an ap´hrodisiac, even money (for people with ruler of DSC in 2nd house, that could be true; but of course 2nd house has some other connotations, too, and as a Venus-house, the Taurus-house is can be deeply sensual, too; it`s also in the physical-quadrant, so a person with DSC-ruler in 2nd house would need to know that the other person is REALLY THERE; probably there would be a deep urge to touch the other person, cuddle, embrace, jsut to feel her physically).

"Does Blashke discuss the MC-IC axis in personal relationships?"
He sais that the IC is very important, and that soulmates always have a conjunction or antiscia / contrascia-connection of important planets to the IC: I can only agree. If you want someone to touch you on a very profound level, you will need some IC-action. If oyu prefer not to let someone in your soul, then I`d suggest you stay away from people who conjunct your IC or your IC-ruler.

"Besides that, we have...
* co-ruler of my ASC conjunct his DSC (1º)"
Great. He is insanely attracted (DSC) to your way of being, on a very physical level (ASC). Evne though it`s not purely physical the ASC- DSC-thing. It`s pure chemistry.

"* co-ruler of my 5th house conjunct his DSC (2º)
Sun-Venus"
I like that one, too. Your sexual style seems to be in harmony with his partner-needs. I do think the 5th house may be a bit more direct and romantic than the 7th house.

" ruler of my DSC square ruler of his 8th house (0º)
Venus-Pluto"
Definitely a lot of sizzle.

"* ruler of my IC opposes ruler of his DSC and IC (2º)
Moon-Venus, Moon-Moon"
This is a very emotional connection. Your soul, the inner core of your being is what he wants in a relationship. It`s like he is attracted very much to the REAL you, the vulnerable, maybe even hidden, part of yourself.

The others are of course important, too. But I just chose some to comment on.

posted August 01, 2008 08:58 AM           

"I'm not hitting on you"
Now I am disappointed.

" , but I'd like to check if there's anything in our synastry that explains why I've always been drawn to your posts."
I`m brilliant and intellectually irresistible?

" Oh, and while you're at it, same info for the ruler of your 3rd house."
Now it is getting complicated.
Uranus in 01°21 Scorpio
Ancient ruler is Saturn in 16°57 Cancer
Pisces is intercpeted here,
therefore:
Neptune in 09°56 Sagittarius
Jupiter in 11°13 Pisces

You only get my 1st and 3rd house as a whole; it`s impossible to separate those two. actually the ruler Neptune and Jupiter are in mutual reception, sign- and housewise.
That means I have a strong Mars-Mercury-theme. My instinctual being (1st house / Mars) is very mercurial. It`s also very Jupiter-like, since I have so many planets including ASC in Sagittarius, and Jupiter is squaring my ASC and Mars in Sagittarius.

So I`d probably look out for someone who has strong Mercury-Jupiter-needs in regard to his DSC.
Like Gemini or Sagittarius or Virgo - DSC, Mercury or Jupiter in 7; the ruler of 7 in 3 or 9 or the ruler of 7 conjunct Mercury or Jupiter, or even the ruler of 7 in Sagittarius, Gemini or Virgo.

I on the other hand need a REAL man. ROFL
Well, the ruler of my 7th house is in 1st house conjunct Sun. LOL
But luckily it`s Mercury and it`s in Sagittarius, so I guess, I need a REAL man with a REAL good brain.

"ights candle at darkdreamer shrine & eagerly awaits her reply.::"
ROFL You always make me laugh so hard. Thank you.

DD

posted August 01, 2008 12:46 PM         

My husband's Descendant is Pisces. Yes, his Neptune hits my Ascendant ~> his Neptune is less than 2 degrees from my Ascendant in Scorpio, Opposite my Venus, and Square my Mars and NN. As Neptune is at the apex of a T-Square on his birth chart, this makes this part of a Grand Cross. Yes, the orbs are within less than 5 degrees.

No synastry conjunctions to Pluto (my Ascendnat ruler) or Venus (my descendant ruler) or Mercury (his ascendant ruler).

posted August 01, 2008 02:02 PM         

Could you point me to Geos thread pls as I'm on my mobile and only reception is to lean out of the window!

Nightmare.... Thanks

posted August 01, 2008 02:22 PM         

I also have a Gemini Ascendant...

Plus, although the ruler of my 7th house is Jupiter, the only planet I have there is Neptune and his Neptune also conjuncts my Descendant.

Also, the ruler of his Ascendant is Neptune which, as I mentioned, conjuncts my Descendant as well.

posted August 01, 2008 03:49 PM           

Jane,

long time we didnt see you here - welcome abroad again!

DD,

i think ive already looked at these once,but i´ll take another look again,this time with also the antirstic~ia,as they work as reflections isnt it?

His 1st ruler oppose my 7th ruler ( but it´s wide)

My 1st ruler sextile his 7th ruler ( but I think the aspect its not that important)

His ANT.POINT AC conj my 9th cusp and kiron

His IC opose my VX

His Ruler of IC conj my ruler of Sun/9th&/12th

His ruler of DSC kikunks my ruler MC

His ant.p of Ruler of DSC opose my Sun (ruler of my 11th)

His ruler of MC sextile my AC/ conj my 5th ruler

His Ant.Point of MC Ruler is conj my IC

My IC ruler conj his 5th ruler

My DC ruler trine his MC and also his MC ruler

My MC ruler trine his Sun ruler / kikunk his DSC ruler and 9th ruler

His ruler of Sun,Merc,Saturn ( venus) solstice conj my DSC

The Ant.Point of my 3rd and 5th rulers conj his DSC

DD

That’s a very interesting point you make about those houses. Happens that I have my DSC ruler in my 11th ( non-romantic house ) while Jonh has his DSC ruler in his 4th.
So, I need a person with whom I can share my hopes and dreams,with whom I can act and be a real friend, actually THE partner himself IS one of the dreams I like to achieve and attain for

Jonnhy needs someone with whom he would feel “at home”: who protect,nurish and nurture him,with whom he can share his roots and construct a “home”.

So looking at above:

- I have a loaded 11th house ruled by Leo. My Sun doesn’t make any important conj to his planets , only a trine to his Karma.Only my Draco Sun conj his Valentine and D.Venus.

posted August 01, 2008 04:18 PM           

"have a oaded 11th house ruled by Leo. My Sun doesn’t make any important conj to his planets"
You made a very interesting point yourself here.
IT definitely makes sense to look at the ruler of the house the DC-ruler falls in.
I just never thought of that.

posted August 01, 2008 04:56 PM           

just means you need someone that can reflect you - a soulmate love

posted August 01, 2008 05:27 PM           

My ascendant is Leo (ruler Sun)
His ascendant is Scorpio (ruler Pluto)
My descendant is Aquarius (ruler Uranus)
His descendant is Taurus (ruler Venus)

My Uranus is conjunct his ascendant and his Pluto is conjunct my descendant.

posted August 01, 2008 05:52 PM         

Hmmm food for thought!

posted August 01, 2008 05:59 PM           

yes that is right.

Love,

you analysed properly. There is just one thing I don`t understand.

"Plus, although the ruler of my 7th house is Jupiter, the only planet I have there is Neptune and his Neptune also conjuncts my Descendant."
Do you mean you Neptune in the 7th house=
Well, we don`t look to the planets in the 7th house for the marriage rule; it is of secondary importance.

The relations between which house the ruler comes from and where it is placed is like this:
The ruled house signifies the task of the planet, and the house it is is, signifies WHERE the task is being fulfilled.

Example:
Moon, as ruler of 7th house in 11th house.

The task is: Find a partner, relate to others, be attracted (7th house)
where is it expressed: in groups, with friends
how is it expressed: Moon-like, caring, soft, nurturing

Here we would have a person who is very fond of their friends and takes care of them. What is the inner motivation for her attachment to friends? It`s to find a partner.
(Even though of course that is not a calculating thing, it`s jsut what this person needs).

So if you have Neptune in your 7th house, you will express this Neptune in your relationships and to a certain degree it may signify what you are attracted to, but the connection of the ruler of 7th house will be more dominant than Neptune in 7, unless you have other storng NEptune placements of course.

But you could do a list of your "Venus-placements" to see if some are emphasised. I`d look at:

- Venus in sign and house
- Venus-aspects (conjunction, opposition, square and antiscia first)

- DSC-sign
- ruler of 7 in sign and most importantly house
- ruler of 7 in conjunction to other planets (you can`t separate planets that are conjunct from each other)
- planets in 7

Of course this would be only 7th-house-needs, you could do the same with the 5th house for example.

Diandra,
interesting connections again.
Did you read my "report" about last week btw?