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Topic: The love factor
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demon Knowflake Posts: 8 From: Czech Republic Registered: Jul 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 08:45 PM
Hi, I am fascinated by synastry astrology last 3 months and I calculated a lot of my previous girl friends and potential future girl friends as well :-) I like the idea that I can see what is the other person thinking and feeling about me before it becomes serious. I was wondering - do you think we could use it in an opposite way and simply calculate such days when 'good' partners were born around us? Because aspects between planets usually last for at least a day... and many miles around place that you enter as your possible partner's born place. I know, houses change everything and they move fast, but still... that day is born a lot of people and some of them in the 'right time' for sure. Now, we have some webpages where people register using their full date and time and place of born and can be filtered by these. So I can find several girls born that day, choose the most beautiful one and try to make contact. You know how easy it is with girls, when you start to speak about stars, Destiny, fate love, things like that... ;-} ( some boys play guitar / build muscles to impress girls, I chose astrology ;-D ) My question is - can this work? Is it possible that two people that meet this way and for this purpose will easily start a nice relationship, no matter that it was not lucky accident that brought them together? Am I 'raping Destiny', breaking without permission into other people's life stories? Or is it ok, because person that I meet this way I HAD to meet anyway? Because you can calculate hundreds of people having very nice synastry with you but ...love is a weird thing. Is there some 'love factor' that separates the two or three people you will fall into a deep love with in your life from these hundreds of potential partners? Can this factor be seen in horoscope? What is it? BTW I found this way one girl that I am going to meet. She told me that she is quite interested in finding the right partner by stars and that is why she joined that web site (accident?! :-). However, she does not understand astrology. This is our synastry, what do you think about it (outer ring is mine)? Notice her Moon in close conjunction with my Sun+Venus, my Moon in her 7th house, conjunction of ascendants, her Venus square my Neptune (telling us that this poor girl will probably feel me as her dream partner and is going to neglect or tolerate my faults... sweet) :-} IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 02, 2008 09:00 PM
Reverse engineering was recently discussed in a post a few weeks back. I can't locate the post though. I think it'd be best just to meet people and not use astrology to engineer matches. It'd be impossible to find anyone who is astrologically perfect anyway. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 09:13 PM
I have written about this topic before. Yes, you can pick a suitable date for a partner and stalk them hoping that something good comes from it.Look in your natal chart at your 11th house ruler and your 7th house ruler. The 7th is your partner. The 11th is the birth of your partner...5th from the 7th. Look for when your 11th (or his/her 5th in your chart) ruler is aspecting itself and/or aspecting the 7th house ruler. The type of aspect will determine how strong it is. Conjunction obviously being the best. Should work both ways to make the theory perfect. As an example, Your 11th house has Capricorn on the cusp therefore Saturn you need to look at. When Saturn makes a decent aspect to itself in transit, that is the placement you need to look for. The return (conjunction) is the best which means someone your age or 30 years older/younger. Thing to remember is that many people can have this combination with you, so while it indicates a good marriage/longterm partnership, other configurations in the synastry can play a part. If you havent got many long term couples to try it on, use your Mum and Dad as examples. Mum is 4th house, 8th house is birth of Mum (5th from 4th) Dad is 10th house, 2nd house is birth of Dad (5th from 10th) Which probably explains why families have same planets as each other. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 01:52 AM
Kick It: I'm confused about the first part. Mars is the ruler of my 11th (Aries), Jupiter is the ruler of my 7th (Sag). Natally, Mars trines Jupiter and is in mutual reception. So... how does this help me find my partner? Should I be on the look out for when transiting Mars trines my Jupiter (and vice versa?) Interestingly enough, my 2nd house (birth of mother [I believe that in my chart my mom is represented by the 10th]) is ruled by the Moon, and my 8th (birth of dad) is ruled by Saturn. They sextile each other. IP: Logged |
deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1197 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 02:03 AM
Demon, don't forget that experiences and the environment play a MAJOR role in shaping a person. The chart only shows potentialities or predispositions. When i am not happy with my synastry or composite with someone, i always go back to this quote: There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or immaturity cannot turn it sour. There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people. (by Steven Forrest) IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 719 From: sydney Registered: Feb 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 02:13 AM
lol------------------ Sun.. Cancer Moon.. Gemini Mars.. Cancer Mercury.. Cancer Venus.. Leo Ascendant....... Virgo IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 07:26 AM
Do you think it is inherently immoral in some way? I'm not sure it is, but you will have to make up your own mind on that question. If it isn't going to hurt anyone else, then maybe it is worth a try? It's as good a method of meeting people as anything else so good luck to you. I wouldn't bother personally. I'd rather do things the opposite way around ~ meet people, work on gut instincts, and use astrology as a guide to understanding other people and ultimately to improving relationships. Just my view, but unless you have two people willing to make an effort to make a relationship work the stars can say what they like. There is no magic wand, and waiting for it to wave is a waste of time. p.s Unless you have an accurate time of birth the brakes will be slammed on house analysis, and possibly the Moon to boot. This frequently happens when I have an astro-snoop on English born friends. But you will still get some useful info, it depends on how you use it. p.p.s
What is happening to the outer Moon on this synastry chart? It looks somewhat isolated. I can't work out if it is connected to an angle, maybe I am reading this chart badly. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 08:30 AM
Amowls, thhis is all about transits to your natal. Your 11th is ruled by Mars, so look at when Mars returned. At your birth and every 2 years either side of your birth.With your Mums birth, it is ruled by the Moon. Look at your Mums Moon position (natally) and see if it aspects your Moon (and/or your 10th ruler for mother) Its just like you are predicting birth, but not of a child as such, but your Mum/Dad/Partner. Blue Moon, if you dont have an accurate birth time, all you need is a decent astrologer who can rectify it. Problem solved. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 08:35 AM
An example:I run transits for my natal to my Mums birthday.... My second house is Neptune ruled and my 10th is Pluto ruled. Transit Neptune is conjunct natal Pluto exact by minutes. Transit Pluto is trine natal Neptune exact by minutes. Neptune is also sextile Neptune. If I wanted to do the same for a future partner, I look to my 11th, which is Jupiter ruled. Therefore I look for someone with the same Jupiter as me. Same age or 12 years older/younger. Any more questions? IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 08:43 AM
Or 24/36/48 years older/younger. Anything more is too old/young.IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 09:01 AM
On making someone's acquaintance I am disinclined to interrogate them as to their time of birth, or helpful pointers in terms of major life events. Obviously I didn't have the same qualms in asking my parents to look up my personal time of birth in some diary kept covered in dust somewhere in the bottom of a cupboard. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:10 AM
Why do you say that? Hey if it doesnt work, what have you lost? You still meet people, but targeted. Like someone who can make you laugh, hot body, Darcy type person, earning certain salary...that type of stuff. IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 09:12 AM
If it works, all power to you. But have you noticed how many single people there are on Lindaland? IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion Knowflake Posts: 919 From: ann arbor mi Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:13 AM
ok, kick it... break it down for me....should this mean my true love would be a sag? with strong saturn ties? I'm picking up on what your putting down..I think...? or maybe not. These were the transits on the day I met my lover. Look at the 11th house saturn in opposition to the transit? Is that significant? BTW - he is a sag..hhhmmmm...might be more accurate to put in the time and run the transit like a synastry chart to get the exact placements... IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:25 AM
No Blue Moon, I never noticed the relationship status of people on Lindaland.Sunshine, if you are looking for a partner, look to your 11th house and your 7th house rulers. 11th - Neptune, 7th - Pluto. Look for transit aspects to Neptune from Neptune and/or from transit Neptune to Pluto. Neptune moves back and forth quite a bit, so it likely the person will be roughly the same age as you. Millions of people even. So look for someone with Neptune at 14 Scorpio, which is conjunct that Neptune, but also sextile Pluto. If you find that and a combination of Pluto at 17 Virgo, that is ideal, but I dont think that combination happens with that Neptune/Pluto cycle. Add to that your 7th house ruler which is Pluto. You find someone with their 7th house ruler conjunct yours. 1st step, look for someone with Neptune at 14 about 14.42 Scorpio. 2nd step, find someone with their 7th ruler conjunct yours and any other house rulers which are important. Will have a look at some combinations. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion Knowflake Posts: 919 From: ann arbor mi Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:30 AM
ok but look at the reality combo and also scenario... let me post it up..I don't know how pluto is my 7th house ruler if I have no plantets there and it is sag...Pluto is in the 5th house. It is so hard to understand. ok, if mine NEVER will aspect like that in my lifetime, do I just meet a new true love every three years as has been the pattern? Talk to me. I don't know who to stalk or just stay put... IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 09:53 AM
I will find an example of an ideal date for a guy/gal to be born for you, but will explain about house rulers.Each of the 12 signs has a planet ruling it. Some have more than one ruler: Aries is ruled by Mars Taurus is ruled by VENUS Gemini is ruled by MERCURY Cancer is ruled by Moon Leo is ruled by Sun Virgo is ruled by MERCURY Libra is ruled by VENUS Scorpio is ruled by Pluto Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter Capricorn is ruled by Saturn Aquarius is ruled by Uranus Pisces is ruled by Neptune Write that down Kris, it will become very useful to know by memory. The 12 lines you see on a natal chart are called houses. At the left hand hand is the 1st house and then the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...all in order till it gets to the 12th house. You should notice a sign on each of the houses, or to put it another way, a sign which each of the lines falls into. For your chart above (as an example) the 1st house (one of the left) is in the sign of Taurus. If you look at the ruler for Taurus (above) you will see that the sign of Taurus is ruled by the planet VENUS. Your 2nd house is is in the sign of Gemini. If you look at ruler of Gemini, you will see that Gemini is ruled by the planet MERCURY. This is what I mean about house rulers. Just forget what house the planet is in and concentrate on what sign is on the house cusp and what planet rules that sign. Your 9th house has Capricorn on there (or "on the cusp" to use the correct phrase) which means the planet ruling your 9th house is Saturn. Questions about this bit? Please ask if you are not sure because this is how to do astrology the correct way. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion Knowflake Posts: 919 From: ann arbor mi Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:03 AM
so far I am with you, sorry you have to break it down like that, but It can be hard to understand...I am tracking with ya so far vern. I thought the house ruler was the first planet that occupied it. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:05 AM
This is an example of what you should look for. This is a proposed date of when a potential partner could be born. If you look at transits to your natal, you will see (his) Neptune is sextile (your natal) Pluto. Or basically your 11th house ruler, Neptune, is making a transit to your natal Neptune. The 11th house because that is your birth of your partner. Just an example. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion Knowflake Posts: 919 From: ann arbor mi Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:06 AM
so my 7th house is ruled by jupiter? that should have been better for me so far I would think. hhhmmm....am I correct? 13 days and two oceans away from reality...... IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:08 AM
No, house ruler is not 1st planet that occupies it. No matter about explaining it. It helps me as well as (hopefully) helps you.Its hard to understand when you get into it and can be harder to explain on a basic level. Whats all this Vern business about? IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
No, your 7th house is ruled by Pluto, as Scorpio is the sign on the cusp of the house. To make it easy, work out the 1st sign, which is Taurus and then just count from one sign from there and look up the planet ruling that sign on the list above which I wrote. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion Knowflake Posts: 919 From: ann arbor mi Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:11 AM
kick it is more of a verb than an object and I have no name for you. I called you vern, I will call you kick if you object to vern. kick it implies action and makes it harder for me to see you as a person.ruled by pluto...no wonder. ok, so if the ruler of the house is pluto, then pluto in the 5th at birth in the 5th house is what significance....is 5th house or 7th house more plutonian? IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:24 AM
Kick It Because Pluto rules your 7th, as Scorpio is on the cusp, the 7th house is all about Pluto. Your relationships/partner (7th) involves manipulation/power games (Pluto) with dating/children (5th house) More ways to look at it than that. If you look at the chart I put above, each sign is colour coded with the planet it rules, to make it easier to find. Taurus and Libra are both ruled by Venus and Gemini/Virgo are both ruled by Mercury.
If you are using astro.com, change the house system to "whole sign" to make it easier. IP: Logged |
deuxantares Knowflake Posts: 1197 From: Meet Me in Sofia Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 10:26 AM
Oyyyy, they're friends now. Yeeha! Sunshine, you know Kick It doesn't do this just for anyone. Sunshine, look closely at the line (cusp) opposite your AC. It is still part of Scorpio, not Sagittarius. IP: Logged |