posted October 03, 2008 08:21 PM         

does anyone know about the Part of marriage please? I was just messing around with it and with a guy l have this DW.

HIS PART OF M IS CONJUNCT MY VENUS 1’
MY PART OF MARRIAGE IS CONJUNCT HIS VENUS 1’

posted October 04, 2008 10:00 AM         

What it should read is: ASC + Venus = absolutely nothing.

Imagine if you just use the normal planets/houses and signs to do astrology. After a few years, it gets pretty boring writing about the same things over and over again, so astrologers invent a few things like parts and write a load of rubbish to make it more interesting, confusing and hopefully sell enough books.

Yes Kick It, youre on a boring rant again factor: VERY HIGH!

Yes, I am Kick It and this kind of astrology p1sses me off factor: SKY HIGH!

posted October 04, 2008 12:05 PM         

But actually the arabic parts are not a new invention. They reach back to the pre Hellenistic period. So they are way older than many theories in astrology.

However, I mainly see them as a fun-tool, and am not yet convinced they REALLY work.

Honestly, for me, when all is said and done, it comes down to the personal planets and house-ruler-connections, that is what I am really convinced of.

posted October 04, 2008 12:22 PM         

Some stuff about it here:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/about.html

and here:

quote:

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The Arabic Parts have an honourable history in Astrology stretching far back into antiquity, yet they have been largely lost to modern astrologers since the seventeenth century. The parts (also known as "Lots") enable an examination of the "inner" meaning of the horoscope, which goes beyond the "outer" evaluations stimulated by the arrangement of the planets, signs and houses.

The doctrine of parts is based squarely on the numerical relationships between factors of the horoscope. There are a large number of these parts, the best known today perhaps being the Part of Fortune (Part of the Moon), which has survived because it is the strongest of the parts, due to its involvement of the Sun and Moon. The Part of Fortune is not a planet but is a sensitive, calculated point in the horoscope that shows in effect where the Moon would be if you were born at sunrise.

Many other parts, however, are distinctly useful in predictive astrology and are regularly used in natal, horary and mundane figures. Astrologers can use our traditional Table to Calculate the Value of the Part of Fortune for use in chart delineation.

(NOTE: parts are extracted according to the strength of the planets concerned, i.e., a nocturnal planet is stronger in a nocturnal figure than a diurnal and vice versa).

As with the modern employment of planetary midpoints, the usage of parts should be secondary to an understanding of the major chart factors (planets, signs and house cusps). Use the part to clarify or illustrate any features that need to emphasized. One reason for the decline of parts in modern times may have been their seemingly limitless proliferation and substitution for clear planetary relationships. Nevertheless, experience shows that the directions and transits to the parts (especially Pars Fortunae) have a definite effect with regard to the matters ruled by the house occupied by the part.

According to Bonatti, the significance for good or ill of the part should be judged by the conjunction of the part in question, or that of its planetary lord, with the planets, but he also allows the use of other aspects (such as opposition, square etc).

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http://www.astrologycom.com/parts.html

posted October 04, 2008 12:29 PM         

you`re right the synchronicity is there and pretty amazing.

But I also understand Kick It; if we increase the possibilities of connections by applying astronomical orbs, minor aspects, asteroids, Draconic and Plutonic zodiac, midpoints, arabian parts and so much more, then we`ll end up predicting that every two people may be soulmates.

There has to be a priority list.
And to me it`s pretty simple. I you don`t have strong connections between personal planets, ruler of 7th, 1st, 5th, 4th, 8th house, then you can have as many dw`s with the arabian parts as possible, this will not make you soulmates.

Now, Vertex conjunct DSC - dw, that is something I would keep my eye on. Vertex is an axis, as well as DSC is an axis. So, it is highly dependent on your birthtime and therefor individual. This one could be meaningful.

But imo Vertex signifies fated encounters, yes, but without any guarantee of a longstanding marriage. There will be an encounter, it will have a very transforming effect, but Vertex-activation is like a moment in time. A life changing moment, transforming you, maybe giving your life a different direction, but it is still only a MOMENT.

If that moment can lead to a long relationship, depends on other things imo. Like for example strong close Saturn aspects, and even more what about Sun, Moon, VEnus, Mars, ASC, IC, ruler of 1, 4, 5, 7 and 8?

And even if that all is there, you still have to look at the progressed synastry.

And after that, there is still such a thing as free will.

posted October 04, 2008 12:52 PM         

I did the rulers and all of them aspect each other, with the main aspects (major) being:
his 1st opposing my 5
his 4th square my 4th
his 4th square my 7th
his 5th square 5th
his 5th trine my 4th
his 5th square my 1st
his 7th trine my 4th
his 7th trine my 1st
his 7th conjunct my 8th
his 8th trine my 1st
his 8th conjunct my 8th

main progressed are:
his pr sun square my pr mars
his pr moon trine my pr venus
his pr moon trine my pr ASC
his pr ASC conjunct my pr sun/venus/ASC
his pr NN opposes my pr juno/karma
his pr karma conjunct my pr Pluto

In natals there are:
AC conj AC
sun sq sun
sun opp mars
venus conj pluto
venus sq moon
psyche opp eros
my osiris trine his isis
AC conj chiron DW
IC conj lust/valentine
MC trine NN/karma
union/psyche DW
lust/AC DW
pluto/psyche DW

my dr venus opposes his dr mars (4)
my dr moon/venus/saturn conjunct his dr NN (1)
my dr AC opposes his dr Pluto
my dr karma/juno opposes his dr eros (1)
my dr eros opposes his dr juno
my dr amor trine his dr juno (3)/karma (2)
my dr karma trine his dr moon (4)/amor (0)
his n venus opposes my dr ASC
his n ASC conjunct my dr NN
his n Saturn conjunct my dr sun
his n Pluto opposes my dr ASC
his n NN conjunct my dr mars
his n chiron conjunct my dr moon/venus
his n juno opposes my dr chiron
his n juno conjunct my dr vertex
his n isis opposes my dr Pluto
his n karma opposes my dr Pluto
his n valentine conjunct my dr valentine
his n valentine conjunct my dr amor

His sol sun conjunct my n mars
his sol moon conjunct my sol valentine
his sol Saturn conjunct my n Pluto
his sol vertex opposes my solstice ASC
his sol juno conjunct my n moon/saturn/NN
his sol psyche opposes my n eros
his sol karma conjunct my n venus
his sol Valentine conjunct my sol IC
His sol ASC conjunct my sol chiron
His sol ASC opposes my sol vertex
His sol ASC opposes my sol eros
His sol ASC conjunct my sol ASC
His n venus conjunct my sol ASC
His n venus conjunct my sol moon
His n venus conjunct my sol Saturn
His n venus conjunct my sol NN
His n Saturn opposes my sol Pluto
His n juno conjunct my sol moon
His n juno conjunct my sol venus
His n juno conjunct my sol Saturn
His n juno conjunct my sol NN
His n juno opposes my sol ASC

As you can see from above, this is why l have looked at the parts of arabic

Cos the synastry is FULL of juno/vertex/karma/NN etc etc !

The Pluto aspects are ok too... but l will only list
his PL venus opposes my n Pluto
his PL Saturn opposes my n venus
his PL AC opposes my n Saturn/NN/osiris
my PL AC opposes his Saturn
his PL amor opposes my n amor/valentine

Enough saturn, don't you think ... or have l gone totally crazy? lol

(sorry to dump all this on you... just wanted to show why l moved onto arabic parts!)

posted October 04, 2008 01:16 PM         

quote:

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But I also understand Kick It; if we increase the possibilities of connections by applying astronomical orbs, minor aspects, asteroids, Draconic and Plutonic zodiac, midpoints, arabian parts and so much more, then we`ll end up predicting that every two people may be soulmates.

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Yes, well put DD and good write up.

Of course plenty of this can be accurate, but most likely not.
Like asteroids. I hate them! With a passion.
If you interpret every one, it gets messy.
But yet if you do things like search for your new partners name and it is prominent, therein lies an argument for synchronicity.

posted October 04, 2008 01:54 PM         

a while ago I thought asteroids were rubbish, too.

I was thinking that people would analyze ANTYTHING. "if it moves, interprete it" along those lines, and I thought it was a waste of time.

But I have found some asteroids to be very interesting, among them the mentioned name asteroids, Eros and Juno.
The others also make often sense, but I agree, if we use too many, it can get messy.

And yet, now I find myself liking them with a passion as much as you probably hate them.

EDIT:
Regarding name asteroids:
I found out that my own name asteroid falls into Taurus in my chart.
And even though I have nothing else in Taurus, I have appeared a bit Taurean in my life, at least regarding stubbornness, being phlegmatic and unmoveable (and that with a stellium in Sagittarius!), patient, physically slow and eating much too much.

posted October 04, 2008 03:17 PM         

if you read all the posts by IQunk i bet you would be at least curious to check the asteroids out

when i 1st got into astrology i bumped over LL and particularly to IQ´s posts (while he was still around) and i was pretty amazed by his fascinating knowledge,and in certain times his intuition was the one giving him the most profound answers.

But i agree that we should focus 1st in planets,then see the asteroids that are proeminent in our natals and then check them in the other chart types.

posted October 05, 2008 06:33 AM         

Here's just a couple:

***My asteroid NAME conjunct partner's MOON 4°40’

***My partner's asteroid NAME conjunct my MOON 4°40’

***My ex's asteroid name smack in the middle of my tight Venus/Uranus/Pluto stellium

posted October 05, 2008 07:49 AM         

My natal "M" conjunct his natal Saturn/IC

His draconic "M" conjunct my natal Saturn/IC

My draconic "M" conjunct his natal Sun (almost to the minute)

His draconic "C" conjunct his natal Moon/Vertex and conjunct my draconic Antivertex

His natal "C" conjunct my natal Isis and his draconic "C" conjunct his natal Isis

posted October 05, 2008 09:30 AM         

I'm married and my Part of Marriage is trine my husband's Pluto and Hera.

posted October 05, 2008 10:01 AM         

you`re right.

But if we do such a poll, what would we allow? Which aspects? Which orbs? asteroids, yes or no?