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Topic: IQ Hunk ~ Family Patterns in Astrology
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Love Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Canada Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 06:33 PM
This is a response to IQ's other thread about the mathematical proof of astrology. I decided to start my own thread in order not to clutter IQ's thread with a slightly different perspective. I found that in looking at my family's astrology the typical Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, Merc-Merc etc. aspects hardly apply. Most of what is present are minor aspects like the sesquiquadrate, semi-sextile and semi-square among others.What I have found, however, is that just as in my personal relationships with men, Juno, asteroid Karma and the Nodes are the connecting factors. Using myself as well as my mother, father, brother, stepmother, maternal grandparents and paternal grandmother I found that there were a multitude of these aspects. I will primarily list conjunctions, most which are between 0 and 3 degrees orb with none over 5 degrees. I was not able to include Ascendant aspects for everyone since some birthtimes are vague or unknown. JUNO: My Juno conjunct Mom's Saturn My Juno conjunct Mom's Juno Bro's Juno conjunct Dad's Juno Dad's Juno conjunct Mom's Jupiter Stepmother's Juno conjunct Bro's Jupiter Bro's Juno oppose Stepmother's Jupiter My Juno oppose Bro's POF (double whammy) Stepmother's Juno conjunct my IC Dad's Juno conjunct Stepmother's Vertex Father's Juno conjunct Bro's ASC Mat.Grandmother's Juno conjunct Mom's Chiron Dad's Juno conjunct Pat. Grandmother's Moon Mom's Juno conjunct Stepmother's Pluto ASTEROID KARMA: My Karma (and Pluto) conjunct Mom's Pallas Dad's Karma conjunct Mom's Pallas Mom's Karma conjunct Mat. Grandma's Pallas Stepmother's Karma conjunct Bro's Pallas My Karma conjunct Bro's Sun My ASC conjunct Bro's Karma My Karma conjunct Dad's Karma My Karma oppose Stepmother's Saturn Stepmother's Karma conjunct my Saturn Dad's Karma conjunct Bro's Sun and Pluto Stepmother's Karma conjunct Bro's Jupiter Dad's Karma conjunct Pat. Grandma's Jupiter Mom's Karma conjunct Mat. Grandfather's Moon NODES: My NN conjunct Mom's Sun My SN conjunct Stepmother's Sun Dad's SN conjunct Stepmother's Moon My NN conjunct Bro's Mars and Uranus Dad's NN conjunct my Mars Stepmother's SN conjunct Bro's Mars Mom's SN conjunct Bro's Sun, Merc and Pluto Dad's NN conjunct Mom's Pluto and ASC Pat. Grandpa's NN conjunct Mom's Pluto Bro's NN conjunct Dad's Neptune Mat.Grandpa's NN conj. Mat.Grandma's Neptune Mat.Grandma's NN conj. Pat.Grandpa's Venus Stepmother's NN conjunct Bro's Chiron Bro's SN conjunct Stepmother's Chiron Now, what to make of this?? In my relationships with men, I have found that the same points and aspects are present. In synastry with the 4 most important men throughout my life I have found the following conjunctions:
Karma-Pallas Karma-Moon Karma-Saturn Karma-Juno Juno-Pallas Juno-Neptune Juno-Vertex Node-Vertex Node-Sun Node-Moon Node-Juno Node-Karma Node-Mars Node-Chiron One of my questions is what is the significance of Juno within the family structure? It's generally seen as either a marital or sexual point of reference so why is it so prolific within both my family *and* intimate relationships?? I tend to see the Pallas-Karma aspects as being indicative of family patterns both because Pallas rules patterns and because there is a maternal lineage of Pallas to Karma. As for Karma and the Nodes, there is no explanation needed. I just thought it was interesting that there were so few ptolemaic planetary contacts (Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, etc.) and yet such precise conjunctions with Juno, of all things. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 06:40 PM
OMG LoveHow amazing!!! Check out my good, bad, ugly thread - in my synastry these 3 are aspecting everything! Great stuff! IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 06:44 PM
I haven`t researched Pallas, but can confirm t he Karma and especially the Juno-connections.IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Canada Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 06:50 PM
Hey Lara and DD See, I expected the Karma connections for some reason but since I have been stewing over the meaning of Juno for a couple years now, I thought I might see if I had somehow inherited that energy and was working it out within the context of my intimate relationships. It would seem that way. Have either of you noticed these types of Juno conjunctions in just your intimate relationships, just your family or in both? Curiouser and curiouser. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 07:29 PM
I just checked the Juno-conjunctions / oppositions within 5° with my family (mum, dad, broD, broK, my aunt), and oh wow! my Juno conjunct Dad`s DSC and opposes his Saturn my Juno opposes Mum`s Venus and Mars my Juno conjuncts broD Venus my Juno conjuncts broK Sun my Juno opposes aunt`s Pluto and Uranus Dad`s Juno conjuncts Mum`s Saturn and opposes her Jupiter DAd`s Juno conjuncts broK Mars Dad`s Juno conjuncts aunt`s Venus Dad`s Juno conjuncts my Pluto and MC
Mum`s Juno conjuncts broD MC and NEptune Mum`s Juno conjuncts broK Moon, Jupiter and Uranus Mum`s Juno conjuncts my Neptune and NN and oppöoses my Karma Mum`s Juno conjuncts Dad`s IC and Chiron broD Juno opposes broK Karma and Chiron broD Juno conjuncts aunt`s SN and Neptune broK Juno conjuncts aunt`s MC and opposes her Mars broK Juno conjuncts my BML broK Juno opposes bro D Pallas aunt`s Juno opposes Mum`s Pallas aunt`s Juno opposes broD Sun I think there are quite some interactions between Juno and the angles, especially MC- IC like between
my Dad and me my Mum and my Dad my Mum and broD my aunt and broK (Actually the birthtime of my brother K is not completely sure, and if the first one is right, his MC would also fall onto my mum`s Juno) I guess Juno shows just commitment and is not limited to intimate relationship, I`d think. Juno was also a mother goddess after all. IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Canada Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 07:52 PM
Holy interactions!!! I'm still not totally convinced that Juno relates soley to commitment...in terms if my family, that makes alot of sense actually, but not quite within intimate relationships. At least for me. Maybe there's another way to see it that still hasn't clicked for me.I checked the Juno DRACONICS, just to see: My Juno oppose Mat. Grandma's Juno My Juno oppose Bro's Juno Bro's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's Juno Stepmother's Juno conj. Pat.Grandma's Juno My Juno conjunct Dad's Saturn Dad's Juno conjunct my Lilith My Juno conjunct Mat.Grandpa's Lilith Mom's Juno oppose my Karma Dad's Juno conjunct Pat. Grandma's Karma My Juno conjunct Mom's DSC My Juno conjunct Stepmother's DSC My Juno oppose Mom's Pluto Bro's Juno conjunct Mom's Pluto Mat.Grandma's Juno conjunct Mom's Pluto Bro's Juno conjunct Pat.Grandpa's Mercury Dad's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's Jupiter Bro's Juno conjunct Dad's POF Dad's Juno conjunct Bro's POF Mom's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's POF Mat. Grandma's Juno conjunct Dad's POF I actually think there are a couple more, but the point is made. I would love to know how common this many Juno aspects might be in family synastries. DD, do you think that maybe we have all these Juno aspects in lieu of more common planetary ones? Could Juno be just one particular family (or life) theme being played out?
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 07:57 PM
What do you think Juno signifies, if it is not commitment? And yes, of course, it could be that this just our personal family theme here.
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Love Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Canada Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 08:48 PM
Well, my own personal astrologer, when I went to see her recently, addressed this for me since I have been quite frustrated with Juno these past two years. She believes that Juno is a very deep, all-consuming sort of energy when it comes to intimate relationships. In that depth, there is sexuality, but the way she described it (I forget her exact words) made me think of some Venus-Pluto and Node/Moon hybrid in terms of the energy.She said that there is a certain binding energy about Juno and that it relates to power as well. Based on all the internet scouring I've done, the whole power thing seems to keep coming up. In terms of the mythology, Juno and Jupiter were engaged in a power struggle. I've also heard it put this way: "Astrologically Juno describes the ways in which we face the issues of compatibility, receptivity to others, mutual sharing, trust, jealousy, possessiveness and power struggles." So maybe the commitment is to work out some/all these issues with another based on the sign and house involved?? What think-eth you? IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 09:17 PM
OMGmy mum 's juno is conjunct my moon/venus/saturn/NN my dad's juno is opposing my moon/venus/saturn/NN LOL l'm like a slice of salami in a juno sandwich IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 09:26 PM
ok this is interesitingl just checked my parents and also their new spouses, famous couples and also family married couples and they ALL have juno/juno conjunct/trine/sextile/square/opposition It's a marriage aspect.. must be.. ALL my boyfriends l have no juno/juno aspect and both my ex husbands l do!! Same for friends and family. ! IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1258 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2008
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posted October 06, 2008 01:46 AM
I'm so looking forward to putting a bit of time aside to look into this!!I know I mention Juno in terms of intimate relationships for me, but it really makes me think about the concept of 'commitment' being two souls attracted to each other for a deep intimate lesson in Love. Juno has been going beyond boundaries into a relationship - entering another person's inner circle - that's what family is usually about too.
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted October 06, 2008 08:48 AM
Lovei checked the juno asteroid like you did in my own family and partner,this is what have found: cj/trine/opositions within 5 orb ( like DD) Brotherīs Juno opose my VX My Juno trine his ASC and cj Kiron Momīs Juno Trine my Saturn/Pluto Mom+s Juno wide cj my NN My Juno opose her Ceres My JUNO opose Dadīs Vx and widely,his Karma My juno cj my Sisterīs Venus and trine her AC Her juno cj my Moon my sisterīs Ceres/Nn cj my Moon also Me and my twin sister naturally have all asteroids cj each other. How fast does Juno asteroid move BTW? My Jīs Juno trine my Venus/cj my Neptune My Juno opose his Pallas and cj karma yes im starting to wonder also that Juno is not only about committment as romantic partners but also a part of the contract"made" by soul family members
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Iqhunk Knowflake Posts: 2269 From: Chennai Registered: Oct 2005
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posted October 06, 2008 02:51 PM
Great work, Love! Different planets/asteroids work for different families. I will work out the probabilities later for you and hopefully give a generic formula so that none of you need to do the complex math.Juno, Karma and Valentine are very significant in my family too. IP: Logged |