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BlueEyes24
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posted April 09, 2007 11:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey everyone...Just thought I'd bring up the lovely planet Saturn...

We all know that many astrologers think that in order to have a LONG-TERM relationship, it's important to have Saturn aspects in synastry/composite charts to bind the relationship together. Do you believe this to be true? Think back to your LONGEST love relationship..or even friendship...did the synastry and or composite chart have a lot of Saturn aspects?

My boyfriend's Saturn sextiles my Sun & Mercury, conjuncts my Moon, sextiles my Mars, and trines my Jupiter. My Saturn squares his Venus, and conjuncts his Ascendant. We have Saturn conjunct ASC in our composite. Most of my relationships have been on the short side (LOL)...but we have been together for almost 2 years now. And I will admit that the relationship had a serious side right from the beginning...we declared our relationship committed right from the start (Saturn conjunct moon?)

My shortest relationship had ZERO Saturn aspects in our synastry together...hmm...just found that intersting.

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Duality
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posted April 09, 2007 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You just answered your own question

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comica23
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posted April 09, 2007 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there ^_^

I guess aspects to a person's Saturn activates his seriousness and responsibility, so this person would feel responsible, secured by the other, and then taking the relationship more serious. But it also depends on how the Saturn itself is aspected in the chart. For example, a person that has easy aspects with Saturn, this person takes his/her responsibilities easier than a person with hard Saturn aspects in his/her birth chart. So simply said, a person that doesn't take things seriously or is not mature/responsible enough would just try to run away from relationships that requires so much seriousness (lotsa Saturn contacts), while a person that is more serious would like the security (if well aspected) the relationship gives. ^_^

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BlueEyes24
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posted April 09, 2007 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duality, I was just curious to see other people's experiences.

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Mama Mia
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posted April 09, 2007 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comica: Well said, living that right now..Only thing when you have other things in your synastry chart that says you guys are going to be together try an run if you like but its only gone be harder if you do, cause you will continue to come back to each other over and over again until you get it right..

Ah yeah that too..

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libraschoice7
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posted April 09, 2007 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I kind of have to agree with you, Saturn placements and aspects are important in synastry for a relationship to last. The only long term boyfriends I've had(only two)there is alot of Saturn in our synastry. My current boyfriend, which has been constantly on and off for 8 years, we have quite a few Saturn aspects... Saturn opposite Node, Saturn opposite Pluto, Saturn square Neptune, Saturn square Mars to name a few. The one guy I was madly in love with when I was much younger(Sun in Virgo, Moon in Taurus)in our synastry there was practically no Saturn, and of course it didn't last. The only Saturn we had came from my end and aspected his Mercury, and that was it. I also think that in synastry it's important for both parties Saturn to be aspected to feel that strong hold or bond.

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

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posted April 09, 2007 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mama Mia, that's true also.. ^_^ some synastry aspects can also stick two people together, even if they run away from it lol (and some other karmic aspects also).. actually I've seen some cases like that.. It is when I really start to believe in fate's power. XP

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posted April 09, 2007 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I am living that right now..With all the Saturn stuff and the other Karma aspects its never gone end..I don't know rather to cry or smile..

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izodesmozina
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posted April 10, 2007 04:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mama Mia,
Hang in there! I know it's hard, but you wouldn't be going through this experience if you weren't able to handle it . Hope everything works out for your best!

BlueEyes,
How does the composite Saturn conjunct the composite Asc play out in your relationship? They say it makes for a pretty slow or difficult start. I have that with someone, plus the fact that the composite Saturn receives no other aspects beside that. In the synastry, there are Saturn aspects, and mostly positive. I am a little concerned about my Saturn contraparallel his Moon and his Saturn contraparallel my Venus... Anybody has any experience with those? In cafeastrology they said it is not as bad as the opposition, but I don't know...
From what I've seen so far, good, soft aspects from Saturn in synastry and composite make for a stable, long-lasting relationship. Bad Saturn aspects mean adaptation and lessons to be learned... but most people can't get past the frustrating feeling they produce and don't get to work on them. Personal planets are, of course, the ones you should look more at.

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Arnicka
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posted April 11, 2007 03:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As much as I'm comfortable with the energy, too much Saturn on my end leaves me feeling so very vulnerable ~ as if I need the other person in my life and hasten to relinquish the bonds [esp contacts with Mercury]. If there are positives to equal that out then I'm good ~ but too much leaves me feeling out on a limb, alone.

What about inequality in Saturn aspects in synastry?

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posted April 11, 2007 01:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a boyfriend whose Saturn made many contacts with my chart: opposition my Venus, opposition my Jupiter, trine my Moon, exactly conjunct my Ascendant, and a wide-orb conjunct to my South Node. In contrast, my Saturn only made one contact to any of his planets (trine his Moon).

In the relationship, he was very oppressive and parent-like. I always felt more like his daughter than girlfriend, always being taught "lessons" and being disciplined, and after a while it drove me nuts. I broke up with him partially because of that -- it wasn't terribly hard for me; I didn't feel that attached to him. However, he was very, very devastated. The breakup baffled him, and from what I heard from mutual friends, he was a wreck for months. He clearly felt the Saturn "glue" more than I did -- perhaps because he was the Saturn person for almost all our Saturn contacts.

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posted April 11, 2007 01:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I just checked my synastry with my oldest friend. We have:

my Saturn opposition her Sun
my Saturn trine her Jupiter
my Saturn trine her Ascendant
her Saturn trine my Venus
her Saturn opposition my Mars
her Saturn trine my Jupiter
her Saturn trine my Ascendant

And for my parents, who both say they can't get away from each other, no matter how much they try (they broke up and got back together dozens of times before their 28-year marriage):

his Saturn conjunct her Venus
his Saturn trine her Jupiter
his Saturn sextile her Uranus
his Saturn trine her Chiron
her Saturn square his Sun
her Saturn trine his Moon
her Saturn square his Mercury
her Saturn trine his Venus
her Saturn conjunct his Mars
her Saturn square his Uranus

And lastly, my shortest relationship -- very one-sided -- the guy was literally obsessed with me, but I did not have feelings for him. He still won't leave me alone to this day.

my Saturn trine his Mercury
his Saturn opposition my Sun
his Saturn square my Moon
his Saturn opposition my Mercury

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Atlenta
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posted April 11, 2007 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend and I have alot of Saturn close conjunctions and sextiles, but since my Saturn is closer to his personal planets, I might have felt more responsibility. But once I let go, he took the role. I definitely agree with Saturn for longevity!

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posted April 11, 2007 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jenfullmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ironically, my longest-running relationship had NO Saturn whatsoever (I'm a late-ish Leo and he was an early-ish Virgo) in synastry, and a singleton in the composite. My Saturn relationships didn't last nearly as long.

Yeah, that's weird.

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Diandra23
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posted April 11, 2007 01:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I´ve red some things about Saturn, in Magi Astrology but dont know if it´s accepted as being true:

Saturn Bond:

"occurs in a CAC when one person’s Saturn forms a trine, conjunction or parallel to the other person’s Chiron, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter or Sun.

One of the results of a Saturn Bond is that the person who contributes the Saturn (called the Saturn Person) has a great deal of control over the other person (called the Passive Person).

A Saturn Bond creates an unequal relationship where the Saturn Person is in the driver’s seat and the Passive Person is a less than equal partner and can feel like he or she is trapped in the relationship but does not know how to get out.

To summarize, when a CAC has a Saturn Bond, the Saturn Person is the Trapper and the Passive Person is the Captive.

SATURN CLASHES ALSO CREATE CAPTIVITY

But a Saturn Clash exists in a CAC when one person’s Saturn is square, opposed, quincunx or contra-parallel to any natal planet of the other person.

Like the Saturn Bond, in a Saturn Clash, the person who contributes the Saturn is the Saturn Person and the other person is the Passive Person and the Saturn Person has a degree of control over the Passive Person.

the worst Saturn Clashes are Saturn Clashes made to Neptune, Venus and Sun. (This is logical because Neptune and Venus are Romance Planets and the Sun represents the person.) These three Saturn Clashes are Bitter Saturn Clashes."

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posted April 11, 2007 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have a few Saturn contacts. Im in my longest now.

His Saturn conjunct my AC.
His Saturn trine my Moon
His Saturn conjunct my Mercury
His Saturn sextile my Mars

My Saturn sextile his AC
My Saturn sextile his Moon
My Saturn conjunct his Mercury
My Saturn conjunct his Venus

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MoonDreamer81
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posted April 11, 2007 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...it looks like I have 3 Saturn Bonds w/ my partner...no wonder it feels like he's in control...

~His Saturn trine My Sun
~His Saturn conjunct my Jupiter
~His Saturn trine my Chiron

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S:Taurus
ASC:Gemini
M:Scorpio

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Diandra23
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posted April 11, 2007 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On my own experience, at times i feel that´s true, those saturn bonds..his saturn quicunx my moon, so he is the saturn person and im the captive one.

I dont feel much controlled by him, but sometimes i know he feels has control over me,cause i tend to do things i dont want most of the times, just cause he has a way of "leading" me to do it, by some words and ways of emotional control.
It´s good when we have that counscious about that kind of bonds. those moments we feel a little " opressed", we can remenber this and say to him that it+s not a way of loving by opressing but by being tolerant

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posted April 13, 2007 02:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra, the magi idea of saturn is only half right. It may feel in the beginning like one person has the upper hand but eventually it switches and both feel the bond and the obligations it entails equally.

The importance of saturn in synastry, and usually hard saturn aspects, is probably the most consistently true astrological fact about relationships, IMHO. Every significant relationship I have had in my life has had hard saturn contacts. Those people you totally click with but never seem to be able to get anything off the ground with, are almost always people you dont have saturn with.

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BlueEyes24
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posted April 15, 2007 01:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey izodesmozina. That's funny, Saturn conjunct ASC is also the only aspect in our composite chart together, too...but the Saturn aspects in our synastry together are mostly positive, except for my Venus squaring his Saturn.

To answer your question about Saturn conjunct ASC making it a slow start, that actually didn't happen with us...we became exclusive only knowing each other for a week, and we've been together almost 2 years later. But, from the beginning, we both knew it was going to be a serious relationship, even from day 1...it was kind of odd.

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BlueEyes24
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posted April 15, 2007 01:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arnicka, you brought up a good point. Do you think the person who's Saturn is aspected the most in the synastry chart is the one who feels the relationship to be more serious?

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posted April 15, 2007 02:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what if your saturn is sextile his sun
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saturn conjunct saturn

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soconfused
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posted April 16, 2007 07:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump

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posted April 17, 2007 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
soconfused, having Sun sextile Saturn means that the Sun person's ego and self-expression is in harmony with Saturn person's seriousness, and even with some few differences (as sextile Signs are in different but compatible elements).
Saturn conjunct Saturn means that both person's seriousness and sense of responsibility are the same type (we form this aspect with people around our age, as Saturn moves slowly, so it can also tells us about the way of seriousness and responsibilities of our Saturn generation).

hope that it helped. ^_^

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soconfused
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posted April 17, 2007 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That helps a bit - I was also reading that these things make me karmice indebted to him somehow

Ugh - I wish I knew what I did in a past life

Thanks so much for the answer

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