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Navia
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posted August 09, 2004 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Hi. I am new here. I am glad to see that there are others in similar situations, that some others may understand me and what I am going through. My first encounter with my twin flame was over ten years ago. At that time, I was in my early twenties; although I was pure of heart, I learned much in the areas of spirituality and religion since then. At the time I did not know what a twin flame was or that there was a spiritual connection between us.

At a friend’s house, Jason dropped by one Monday evening with a couple of his friends. I was literally astounded when I first saw him; I tried not to stare at his eyes, and his voice and all of his appearance was very familiar to me. I felt his very strong presence in the room and I felt an overwhelming chemistry with him. It was love at first sight. We didn’t speak much but the room we were in was filled with sexual tension, or maybe our energy, and I thought of him constantly for four days.

The next Friday evening, my boyfriend of the time really upset me and I broke up with him, ran into Jason again, and we began dating immediately. From the beginning, there was an amazing amount of passion and intensity, and we always felt radiant, happy, and full of energy in each other’s company. Our personalities, tastes, and interests were almost identical. It appeared that our eyes would get “stuck” together often. Our mannerisms, vocabulary, and actions were the same; we seemed to be made for each other, but we do not have identical birth charts, or even share the same sun sign; Our sun signs and rising signs are flipped.

For a few weeks, everything was perfect, then I found out that he was married and separated from his wife a couple of days after he met me, two days before we started dating. He had a three-year-old son. I was shocked. The friends that we had in common said that they thought he had told me and he said he thought they had told me. As a Catholic, I hold marriage in high esteem although he told me that they married as teenagers just because they were having a child together, which makes me feel that they are not really married in the eyes of God because of lack of free will. He thought he was doing the right thing at the time. Jason is not Catholic, but his moral viewpoints are just like mine. He said that he did not want to go back to her, and if he did it would be for their child, not for her. He told me that he wished I was his wife and I felt guilty, wondering if he would have gone back to her if he hadn’t began seeing me. Jason explained to me that he and his wife could no longer get along, they no longer had sex, she was lazy, and she wouldn’t work or clean even though he paid for childcare for their son.

He knew I was upset after he told me he was married, and for two weeks we didn’t speak. When something was wrong, neither one of us wanted to be the first to call; we don’t like confrontation. I thought about him day and night and I was torn with the desire to run to him and wanting him to do the right thing and go home to his family (he had moved in with his mother). Finally, I broke down and called him. He asked me to go away with him for the weekend, and we left right away. Everything was still perfect between us; the ecstatic lovemaking unlike I have ever experienced with anyone else, the passion, and pure love. We never had an argument. He did, however, mirror what I did, and he did do the types of things that I do in relationships and I found a couple of things to be irritating.

A couple of months later, we were driving down the street when his wife called; he lied to her and said that he wasn’t with another girl and she said that their son was crying for his dad. I felt like a low-life when it came to his son; we had both grown up with separated parents that despised each other, making our childhood difficult. We are both naturally honest people and his lie really bothered me. We no longer dated after that; there was no break-up, we just stopped talking to or seeing each other. He felt how upset I was over it.

I moved within the next couple of weeks because of other circumstances, and I went back to my ex-boyfriend to keep myself away from Jason. I still had the conflicted desires and I still thought of him day and night. I ran into him at a concert while I was with my boyfriend and he desperately wanted to talk to me. I told him that he was married to someone else, so there was nothing to talk about. I was moved by the passion in his eyes, but there were other people around, and I walked away. Neither one of us will cause a public scene. A month later, still unable to stop thinking of him constantly, I called him and he told me that he couldn’t see me, that he was seeing someone else then. I was deeply hurt because I expected that he would have gone home to his wife. We both have the tendency to be with someone; we have a hard time being alone, even if we are not with the right person.

A year and a half later, I was still thinking of Jason as my spirituality began to grow; I grew increasingly unhappy in my relationship, I had been thinking of him constantly for a couple of weeks, and I had the feeling that I would see him one night. At another concert, we saw each other; Jason was with his wife, and I was with my boyfriend and some other friends, so we couldn’t talk long, but we were both excited to see each other. We still felt radiant and happy in each other’s presence. Another year and a half later, I was very unhappy with my relationship, and thought about Jason constantly for months. I began dreaming of him. I had a male friend of mine to call him and ask him to call me. He did! I wanted him to call me if he wanted, realizing that I wanted to talk to him without upsetting his wife. We talked for a long time; he was very upset at that time, having lost his business. He told me that six months after our relationship ended he did go back to his family and that he had been an alcoholic and no longer drank. We both felt better to talk to each other. He asked me to call him the next day; I did, and I wound up asking him to meet me, but he wouldn’t, so I didn’t call him again. I felt that he wanted to see me but he didn’t want to destroy his life.

He told a mutual friend of ours about the call and I told our friend that I would like to see him again. Our friend agreed with me to go see another mutual friend’s band the next weekend. He told Jason that I was going. I saw him that night, with his wife, and our friend didn’t show. It amazed me to see him again; I literally almost fainted, having to lean on the friend that was with me as darkness closed in around my eyes. I felt his strong presence, and I felt him staring at me without looking straight at me, always constantly aware of each other. When a fight broke out in the bar we were in, we both jerked our heads in the other’s direction with fright in our eyes. I knew then that he still had the same intensity of feelings for me over three years after our relationship ended. We never spoke to each other, and I ran into him at a restaurant two weeks later. He was upset that I didn’t speak to him, and of course he didn’t speak to me; we are so very alike and frankly, childlike. We talked for a few minutes and left happy. I finally broke up with my boyfriend.

Soon after that I met the man that I was to marry through the same mutual friend. He, too, was familiar to me although I didn’t feel the overwhelming chemistry and the same amount of intensity that I felt with Jason. We are exact opposites, and we both knew when we met that we would marry, but oddly I didn’t feel any joy when the thought entered my head. I saw Jason one more time a few months later as I was moving again; he was upset about his career. He had to take a job paying much less than he made when he worked for himself and he was very frustrated. I was upset because I had just lost my job. There was still the same excitement and magnetism present that we had always had, but I felt that he was afraid to be alone with me. We had run into each other at a gas station. Although I still thought about him, that was the first time I had no idea that I would run into him; I had always felt it beforehand. For a couple of months afterward I thought about him often, but I never saw him again. I went through another spiritual awakening shortly thereafter, where many things came to me in a span of several months. A little over a year later I thought about him constantly for two weeks and I was certain I would see him again, but I didn’t; my boyfriend broke up with me for twelve days and I was astounded at my sense of grief; I had no idea that I cared as much about him as I did. It seemed to me that every time I began thinking of Jason again, something bad would happen.

About a year later I got pregnant and married my boyfriend. I care deeply about my husband, but I am not in love with him as I am with Jason. I still think of Jason often, and I probably always will. We carry the same karma; I married someone that is lazy and doesn’t like to work. When he does work he isn’t very productive (he’s in sales, which is what he wants to do). We must have been leeches in our past lives! Within the last year I have become increasingly unhappy, and in the last three months I have been dreaming of him every night.

Within the last week, I have felt like he has been with me, even talking to me. I did a tarot reading for the first time and it confirmed what I felt, that something bad was about to happen, but Jason and I will be together again. I have been doing angel readings and the angels have been guiding me on what I believe to be my final test. One of the things they said that I needed to do was to let go of resentment, hurt feelings, and negativity related to people or events in my life. I focused on that very hard the other day and a woman that did something truly heinous to me three years ago called me to apologize and make amends between us. Several old friends that I haven’t spoken to in years have been in contact with me lately. Instead of feeling that thinking of Jason causes something bad to happen, I now believe that on a higher level we call out to each other when we need help.

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sthenri
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posted August 09, 2004 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Navia, your story touched me, you and Jason were friends that were there for each other in times of trouble. That creates a bond in itself, and relationships are never a waste of energy when you learn something about them.

Take Care,
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Navia
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posted August 09, 2004 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Sthenri,

You are right! I had to relive the relationship to learn about myself. Astro Junkie hit the nail on the head in a post I made regarding my dreams of him; she said that there may be a lesson that I had not learned from the relationship or about him. I was able to see how fear of how others see me and guilt have affected my life and that I have harbored hurt feelings. It has also helped me to trust my intuition and learn the positive lessons from the past; I am trying to let go of all of the negative as I "relive" things. Astro Junkie is very intuitive!

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posted August 09, 2004 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Navia,
I am moved to read your story. I can relate to it in a strange way. Would you be able to do an angel reading for me, please? I really need some guidance because I'm so confused. Please help me.

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Navia
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posted August 09, 2004 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Neptune Lady,

We must learn certain lessons before we can be with the true other half of ourselves. The angel Vasariah who rules Justice says that your first step is being fair in dealing with others; if you have been wronged understand that a positive lesson needs to be learnd from it. Justice is not ours to dole out. The angel Cassiel rules over release and wants you to give up the dramas and crises that have controlled your life and release your mental and emotional attachments to things that keep you from joy. The archangel Michael wants you to truly forgive others and let go of all resentment, pain, hurt feelings, and burdens attached to people or events in your life. Let all negativity go and realize the positive lessons. As the pain goes away your heart will be open to fully give and receive love. I hope this helps.

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posted August 09, 2004 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Navia,
I don't have much experience in love relationships but I think your angels are right! Getting your own personal issues out of the way allows for you to enter a higher level of spirituality and love. I started reading a book that I think you would find interesting. The book is called "In the meantime: Finding yourself and the love you want". Author Iyanla Vanzant.

It's a very inspiring book! I think you'd be interested bc it describes how sometimes the love of our life isn't ready for us or we aren't ready for them. Both souls need to live out other karmic ties, etc. before officially uniting. In the book the time spent apart from the one we are meant to be with is called the "meantime". The meantime is important though because it allows for growth! Its not a waste of time bc you are learning and expanding your soul. The book also talk about loving yourself, being positive, healing and all that good stuff.
When I read about your experience I imediately thought of this book! Hope this helps

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posted August 09, 2004 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks! It sounds exactly like what I need to do. I will check it out.

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neptune lady
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posted August 10, 2004 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
Wow that reading is so apt. These issues are exactly what I'm dealing with right now. Thanks so much Navia! Now the hard part is actually DOING those things! Pray that I find the courage to forgive and let go of old fears and sorrows. YOu're right.I feel in my heart that I have lessons to learn from my soul mate and vice versa, but I need to be strong for that. I feel I am on my way, but haven't reached the stage where I'm fully prepared to face him...yet!

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posted August 10, 2004 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I strongly believe we have "other soul mates" people who are like guardians, that we knew in previous lives. Maybe past soul mates, past lovers and helpers. And we meet them again in this life.

These people are not always lovers, they can be grandmas, neighbours, even pets.

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Navia
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posted August 10, 2004 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the idea of having many soul mates and that some might be guardians; I feel that my husband is a soul mate that I have met before, but I think he has more to do with working out my karma. A couple of weeks ago I did two karma reports on two separate web sites and they both said that I was emotionally and physically draining on everyone before.

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posted August 10, 2004 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpbaby     Edit/Delete Message
I've read something before, maybe by Linda, I can't remember, but it said that everyone in our lives is a soul mate! I couldnt agree more.

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Navia
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posted August 10, 2004 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Yes; I know it is in my foreward to Love Signs, but she said that she would go more in-depth with it in Gooobers, which I haven't read yet. Every soul has a masculine and a feminine half. In Star Signs under 'The Mysteries of the Number Twelve' she talks a little about it; Isis and Osiris choosing to be reborn in the Aquarian age.

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posted August 10, 2004 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
Somehow I feel as if I know you Navia...as if our pain is the same...I feel as if you can understand where I'm coming from. As for my soul mate, I know that I have a previous connection with him ..from a past life. In fact, I would like to say that he is not a soul mate, but a twin soul. We share the same spirit. He is still asleep and I pray that he will wake up. He will in his own time, but I feel until that time comes, I need to grow and become stronger on my own. Yet I miss him and become impatient at times.

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posted August 10, 2004 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Neptune Lady,

I definitely feel that we are supposed to talk to each other. I don't know if you are like me, but my moon sign is the same as my south node and my Chiron is in Aries, so I am repaying some heavy karmic debt. Trust your intuition (Uriel is over that, you can ask him for help)and open your eyes to your messages. I have just recently began doing that and everything has come at a rapid pace for me. Much of this karma can be released by feeling compassion for others, praying for them, calling those that pop into your head, forgiving yourself and others, and being charitable and generous to others without thought of reciprocation. I am trying really hard. Also, in "reliving" the past to gain clarity of positive lessons to be learned, then putting them away.

If this man is your twin, you share the same soul, so if you focus, or meditate very hard and call out to him his higher self should hear yours. Maybe if you say a prayer for the two of you and light a pink candle that will help. The purple plate has really helped me; I don't have a picture of my twin, but I hav put one of myself on there for a few weeks.

You can call on different angels for different things; Mihr rules relationships, Ramiel will help you focus, Rachmiel will help with compassion, Tabris rules free will (every thought, feeling, word, and deed that you have leads you toward a path, so be positive!), Bethor rules success, Sandalphon rules power, Yefefiah rules joy, Arathron rules transition and renewal, Och rules miracles, Rikbiel rules generosity, Dumah rules silence (we ask when we pray and silence of the mind is where we are answered), Raphael rules healing, Gabriel rules dreams and aspirations, Michael rules forgiveness, Phaleg rules compromise, Vasariah rules justice, Cassiel rules release, Camael rules faith, Ariel rules virtues, Zagzagel rules wisdom, Yofiel rules guidance, Zarachiel rules mindfulness (seeing your messages), Raguel rules judgment, Zuriel rules balance, Hagith rules completion, and Anauel rules prosperity. Let me know if I can help! Oh, check your compound numbers; see if you are both 11's. Since you are both Pices, you must be older souls and most likely worthy!

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posted August 10, 2004 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Navia, if its not too much to ask, Could I also have an angel card reading? I've never really heard of them before until reading your posts but it sounds neat.

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Navia
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posted August 10, 2004 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
For Scorpbaby in New York:

The angel Metatron who rules over communication wants you to open up and let others know what is on your mind. You also need to open up to really hear and understand someone else. Communicate your thoughts and feelings and be receptive to the thoughts and feelings of others. Open yourself up to listen to your angels; they have been listening and they have answers for you. The angel Arathron who rules transition and renewal will help you seek your inner counsel to follow your heart's desire once you decide where to go from here. The angel Uriel who rules intuition wants you to trust yourself, open your inner intuitive compass and be open to receive your messages. I hope this helps; they all seem to be telling you the same thing.

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posted August 10, 2004 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Thankyou Navia~ I've been thinking a lot lately about improving my listening skills and communication w/ myself and others. Im so suprised that was in the reading, very cool!

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Navia
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posted August 10, 2004 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome.

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posted August 12, 2004 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Navia,
I just wanted to let you know that I meditated last night, asking the angels to help me. I sent my twin lots and lots of love. I envisioned us as children, holding hands and playing together. It was strange, but I dreamt of my twin all night...soothing happy dreams of love. I woke up with a wonderful feeling of peace. I hope he finds peace too. And I pray that you find the answers you are looking for. Thank you for being there.

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posted August 12, 2004 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, I decided to add up our birth date numbers and the numbers of our names and they turn out to be 4 and 8, 3 and 9.
What do you make of that?

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posted August 12, 2004 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Great, Neptune Lady! I have the feeling that he dreamed of you as well. This morning I woke up before sun came up and just for a couple of seconds, I saw a sparkling sapphire-colored little star(?) about half an inch in diameter at the foot of my bed. Normally, I would have been freaked out, but I was somehow comforted by it. Have you heard of something like that before? I have heard of blue 'orbs' but it wasn't like that, really like a bright little star in a bright cobalt blue.

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posted August 12, 2004 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Well, we know that 8 is the final destination, and 4 is another number of heavy karma. What about compound numbers? I had done mine and my twin's; they were both 11's; mine changed to 13 when I got married. We both have eight points on our birth charts, but I have never heard of that being anything before. Look at the compound numbers; I also remember 12 being significant about the Isis/Osiris thing.

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posted August 13, 2004 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
About the star you saw, I can only say that you are extremely gifted and intuitive. It baffles me, but if you didn't feel afraid, this means that whatever it is, is there to help you. Perhaps a guiding angel to watch over you?

As for the compound numbers of me and my twin, they're not 11, at least. Our compound birth and name numbers are 17 and 21, 45 and 49. Any thoughts on this?

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posted August 14, 2004 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Navia     Edit/Delete Message
Neptune Lady,
That's really neat. 17 is immortality, 21 is victory, 45 is the same as 27 which represents fortunate power, and 49 is the same as 31 which is the hermit. One thing that I just thought of that I have noticed about my twin is that we both have each other's moons in the seventh house. Have you had any other dreams last night? I did not see the little "star" again this morning, but I was fortunate to see it at all. I hope you are doing well!

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posted August 14, 2004 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune lady     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Navia,
Actually, I did dream about him. I dreamt about him all of last night, but the dream that I particularly remember was the one I had right before I awoke in the morning. I dreamt that he had come over to my family's place to visit. I had just taken a shower and was coming down the stairs, wrapped only in a towel that wasn't even covering me properly. Anyway, as I was coming down the stairs, he came in thru the front door and saw me. I was taken aback because I was undressed, and tried to cover myself, but ended up exposing one of my breasts and was uncovered from the waist down so he saw my... My feelings were wierd. In one sense, I wanted him to see me naked and in another sense I was embarrassed. In another scene, we were sitting on a bed in my parents' room, watching TV. We were sitting close to each other and I was asking him if he cared about me or if I had said something to hurt him. In my actual life, I went through a period of crisis and he had served as an immense support so in my dream I told him that, but I also told him that he doesn't have to take on the burden of taking care of me. One can care about someone without taking responsibility for them. "All you have to do is be there," I said to him. "Are you there?" I asked him. His voice and eyes softened as he heard me and he put his arms around me and drew me close to him, telling me that he cared deeply about me, and was not angry with me at all. I remember looking specifically at his hands as they encircled my waist and noticing that he has long fingers...."very artistic", I thought in my dream. I felt him very close to me as he embraced me. I still feel his touch. Can it be real? Does he think of me? Is this just my imagination?


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