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Secret Garden
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posted March 22, 2005 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
ok so thanks to gemstar I calculated the heaviest planets in the charts of the three of us involved in this love triangle, myself, a leo (of course once again aah), and a cancer girl.

For me, this is my chart with the three heaviest influences:
Scorpio/Gemini/Aries;

heaviest in Fixed;

most important planet is Pluto, (Venus is very close second).
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For the other girl her top three are: Libra/Cancer/Gemini;

heaviest in Cardinal;

most important planet is Moon (although not technically a planet I know).
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For the LEO in the middle, top three are:
Virgo/Aries/Gemini;

heaviest in Mutable,

most important planet is Mercury.

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Who do you guys think realistically has a better connection with the Leo guy?

He sounds pretty discontent with his current relationship with the Cancer chick, it is possible they might break up, but I want to look at the chances of compatibility in astrological terms.

I think its funny how none of our Sun signs is our dominant sign (Me the Gem > Scorpio, the Cancer > Libra, the Leo > Virgo, strange, no? )

What do you guys think, who has the better chance, me or the Cancer?

Love
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posted March 22, 2005 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Well, having been with a man who recently broke up with a Cancer, I can say it can take a really long time. Imagine that they are married and have children, even if they don't and you can see how long it wil take for her to let go. He will feel some guilt which will transfer to you. If you are not sympathetic he will feel left cold.

Cancer women are tough to break off from for that reason, although it happens, they can be quite sad sometimes.

The danger is that he is projecting his fun companion on to you, and as soon as you get sad or need him, he may feel you are becoming like the Cancer.

Being his friend is tough, but Cancers have a weak spot. Their home. If they are living together or share space together, she will be dominant, if he is living in a new home, away from her memories, he won't feel guilted by her.

With his mercury influence, he doesn't like guilt, so my instinct tells me to get him physically as far from the Cancer as possible, and if possible encourage him to live in a new home, redecorated in his own style. Cancers also tend to set the pace that way.

I am going through a similar situation with a Leo, only I told him I wouldn't date him until he'd moved out, for at least six months. So far he is becoming more and more removed from the ex's memories, and I can feel her influence fading.

The trouble is I may not care by that time, but rationally-that is the best way to detach from a Cancer. Slowly but surely or else he will see her as a friend again, and if that happens she will take charge again, be his advisor.

He will also want to be with you, as one, in the we sense, as soon as possible because leaving a Cancer can make you feel cold and alone. If he likes Cancers, he must like living with someone, being a we.
Balance independence with support.

Natasha

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posted March 22, 2005 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha why is it that Cancer women can be so addictively appealing to men? I know they are represented by the moon, but I've only been with two men seriously in my life (long term relationships) and in both a Cancer woman 'stole' them away from me; the Leo ended up breaking up with me to pursue the Cancer woman who had been seeing him and encouraging him to stop seeing me, it happened with the other Leo I told you about, and now this one, and I feel totally incompetent and powerless. Which is not a good feeling for me to have, I bet you can tell, seeing that Pluto is my strongest planet, I feel very weak right now, I know I have myself and my own strength, but he isnt backing me up on this one, why?

Why do all the Cancer women seem to get away with my men? What is it that they have that I don't have? I ask myself this, and then I answer to myself, "Yes they have lots of things that I don't have, but don't I also have things that they don't have?" But it doesnt matter, what I have doesn't seem to be desirable enough, I think men tend to love Cancer women, idealize them, they are the moon goddesses, and they can live up to that image 24/7 as well, I think I always end up disappointing my lovers, unintentionally, and I don't know why.

I know that even if I try to be like the Cancer, which I am hesitant doing because I think its unethical to not be yourself, but if I did I knew I would never succeed. I am not that, that image of the pure feminine elegance, I am a bit silly and sarcastic, parts funny and bitter, bouncy yet philosophical, deep and sensitive and talk alot, in essence I am a Gem with Scorp moon, now what can I do about this, nothing really.

Do you think its a fatal attraction to Leos that I have? I don't think any seem to like me back, maybe it is a one-sided thing?

Now I really have to stop before I get negative!

I don't know why but I think your post will really answer my question, it is a feeling I guess just. Anyhow thanks for replying as always so insightful you are,

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posted March 23, 2005 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I think I know why but it's an odd answer. They are not threatening or attractive to other men-they stick with other women, and seem to be secretive, in the know. They appear highly secure, and security driven, like a mother, and are actually very competitive with other women.

All I can say is make friends with other women if you can to understand them, not other men, do not talk or discuss any other men ever, not even at work. Do not talk about your work at all, ever, and do not play up your appearance. Never mention anything new in your life, only answer questions when asked. Always worry about his health, ask him if he's okay, that kind of thing.

Cancer women are most attractive when they are natural, so that is why I am letting my hair grow out, men who like Cancers love long natural hair, and they just want a woman to be there. Not do anything special.

Gain a little weight, let your hair grow long, cook, appear to stay in one place. Have rich and powerful friends? Cancer women always seem to have impeccable taste and are quick to criticize even they have nothing, they have taste and like brand labels, and creating beautiful things.

When I am painting and happy men love that, but when I start to reap the benefits, do the selling, the man in my life doesn't like it.

I don't know, a Cancer I know is very plain, but she knows everybody, never appears sad, loves to make other people happy, and drinks, eats to excess constantly, and always has a beautiful home with decorations.

Do you do those things?
Do you have friends who do things for you? Are you secure leaning on others?

Secret Garden water moons are very different from Water Suns-you are not as touchy feely I bet, so just be yourself. In the end the person who loves you won't make you compete. you may not feel the same sparks but being yourself is always a good bet.

Plus I believe that if this Leo can't get it together, then he will someday, you don't need to wait on him. I will let you know how it goes with this Leo in my life, this weekend. I will know by then, yes or no. I can't stand being in the middle!

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posted March 24, 2005 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha, good luck with your Leo, they are really wonderful people, and so darn alluring and attractive on all levels (emotional, physical, mental etc.)

I do like to cook a lot, Im called a good cook, but thats by my friends and my mom, both of who are a little impartial towards me i think, hehe, Im a little curvier than most, with wiggly little love handles, hahah, now I Sound like a bowl of jelly.

Well its not that bad, my body-mass-index is normal,

I have really long hair, almost to my waist, which is dark golden brownish, large eyes which everyone always compliments, well you can see my pic in the msn linda land group

Im not very secure, I Would like to have a secure house, a stable family, but with certain freedoms for myself, I want to have a career no matter what, and I must admit I Have my share of insecurities, too bad I am a true communicator, even if I hide them verbally everyone can tell from my eyes what is going on in my heart, and in my life!

I never used to play up my appearance but he has Mars in Virgo and Virgo rising, he used to tease me or make fun about certain things, so I started becoming glam queen, now I am a regular dress up gal, even with jeans and a tee , eyeliner is a must and a touch of gloss or blush, i never go out anywhere semi important without doing my nails and that kind of thing,

I dont have rich and powerful friends, well rich yes, lots, but powerful, not really I am not swayed by status and power, I could care less (isnt that weird seeing that Pluto was my heaviest planet? ), in fact it irritates me when people wave their titles at me , its like so what, what are your real accomplishments if you have any?

I dont know what it is, maybe it is not with the Cancers, but with me,

You asked if I am secure leaning on others, and the answer is no, because I have serious problems trusting other people. I think anyone who has serious Scorpio influence in their chart has this problem, and unfortunately I suffer from it deeply, I am deeply wounded by my ex lovers, even if I smile and laugh I dont show it but that influence, those scars and the pain never goes away. Whenever I am faced with a decision my first and most important influence is those of my past expereinces, usually the negative and bitter ones.

I am waiting for him to get it together, you are right, I keep thinking I am near that point of implosion when I Cant take it anymore, but each time I do take it and still stay here, no implosion so far!

I doubt that he loves me, before I used to be sure, but that was my naivete, I think I am in love with who he was, he was a wonderful person, now he is selfish and status-oriented, the only times he talks to me is when he wants me to get him contacts with important people or wants to use my credit card, it angers me, sometimes he will want to spend time with me just because but my suspicion is that he wants sex from me too, and thats it along with the other things I mentioned.

I cant stand being in the middle either, but being last is least fun, I dont handle rejection very well.

Thanks for your kind words
Love
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posted March 24, 2005 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I used to glam it up for the Gemini too, he had mars in taurus, the last three I have dated have been earth mars and they all liked glam. Personally it bothers me, because I need to work too, and I don't like my image to change, I also noticed earth mars like cancers too,
Now I am going for cancer mars, it's a little insecure, but different. The mars is the man, and some signs are more insecure than others.

Earth mars men like women who are practical and there, you are really leaned on for physical things and that's it, it's like they don't get into emotional needs at all, if you are emotional, it's needy. Since I don't like to be considered needy, it's hard to know where to stuff the emotions without causing earth mars man to get insecure. One told me he wouldn't date me if I wore a leather skirt, the Gemini told me he didn't want his woman wearing T-shirts-taken lightly it's fine-but I hate myself if I change too much, so it's an issue with me.

I do not every expect anything anymore from earth mars, but I know I have to give-100% of my resources and attention.

My advice to you is stay if it's Fun, once it starts to be work, pull back and look at the situation, but if you are out of town or not there physically enough for an earth mars, than he will feel unhappy and not show it.

I suppose that's why I married an air mars, I need to see the pursuit, or I get bored pursuing. Now I will date anyone, but I do need to have my intellingence respected. None of the men I dated with earth mars, even asked what I did for a living, or wanted anything to do with my inner life, which to me is very strange-I suppose this keeps them from getting hurt.

I have a mother and brother with Capricorn mars and they both love others to need them, but they can't stand anyone who is better, I have noticed earth mars always likes to be in the stronger social standing, and prefers a less intellectual partner, who can eat/drink, have a good time.

It's possible your Leo does love you, but doesn't see a long term commitment as possible because you don't lean on him that much. He would have to actually see you as his "woman", mentally and emotionally with others-introduce you to his friends and family. Cancers always get in good with your family but introducing theirs.

I urge you to be a little pushy there, dont' give him space where others are concerned, the only way it works with me and earth mars is if I am a little pushy in regards to introducing my family, and making sure he doesn't hear anything negative about them, and dropping in when family and friends are around, asking about friends, that kind of thing. If he doesn't get the approval of his friends, he won't be happy.

That is where Cancers win everytime, they have that quiet attitude that goes well with family dinners-you have to be a little tough and see yourself as someone he could introduce around, if you can't then force it-you know they will like you. Sounds manipulative but it's necessary, it works in any case very well, it's the same if you were dating a Taurus, you would need to offer food, with earth mars-friends and family count, because you are status.

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posted March 24, 2005 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha once I did sort of just say "Hey im dropping by the (area), can I drop off a Cd I got you" so I got to meet his family, his gf too and his kid, his parents and sister, but I was so nervous I didn't say anything just smiled a lot,

I don't understand, first you said, don't seem emotional/needy, they need you to be practical (which I think is the persona I give off, only when people come closer do they realize my more emotional intense side (Scorpio moon)), but at the same time aren't Cancer women some of the neediest women around? They need security and constant validation of their feelings dont they?

I have been there for him in times when he didnt even have enough cash for a burger I would sell my jewelry to send him money (!), I konw well enough he needs a practical worldly woman along with a companion, but sometimes it gets too much, I doubt his intentions, is that just really the way he sees all his partners or is he just milking me because he is selfish?

I don't know if you will understand what I mean when I say this, but it is both pleasurable as well as torturous to be with this man, his little rewards like little kindnesses will mean so much and be so genuine, but then his needs are sometimes too overwhelming to keep up with. I have not fully understood if I am getting more negative from this overall or positive, it is fun and work both to answer your question, but sometimes the work aspect puts me out too much, why does everyone need so much out of me? Dont they understand that three jobs and college, theres a reason I get away from my friends in general? Every time I see them or meet them, they want money from me, etc. because I am in general too generous to refuse and I always used to treat everyone out for lunch, well my stupidity now its coming back to bite me in the butt.

I don't understand how much neediness, how much emotion I should give off, give out, I am naturally very emotionally intense, somewhat needy but not horribly needy, if someone starts to pull away from me I will become needy, but I do respect indpendence and want it for myself and my partner,both. If I seem needy,that will mean he will take me seriously , right now I am just a fling because I dont show emotional attachment beyond that, but if i do,then all of a sudden I will become too needy and high maintenance (!)

I dont think hes ever showed me to his friends, Im sure they would approve if he did, he tends to make offbeat kinds of friends and most people take an immediate liking to me anyway maybe its my libra rising, very harmonious and peaceful sort of vibes there, until they get to know me too well and the complications brewing underneath (!)

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posted March 24, 2005 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha I was also wondering, have you noticed that men with heavy earth influences will tend to change after the wooing /initial courtship period, for example, before he got with this Cancer, we were together for a while, and when he first confessed that he liked me, he was almost in tears, once he even cried in front of me that he was afraid of losing me. He would talk all the time about how he wanted to spend his life with me, how much he loved me, he would do little considerate things that meant the world to me, he was always dying to talk and things,

Now he's so cool and detached, he is always talking about becoming famous, his family is already famous back home because they are business tycoons but he wants more fame, more status, more money, he wants to enter real estate and become an actor, and do other things, he is a good singer, etc. I dont know if hes entered another phase of life, over the women-obsessed phase and into the money and status-obsessed phase? Do you think its an earth influence thing or a man thing?

He is heavily heavily Virgo, I could tell that from our first meeting, at first I thought he was a Leo from his gregarious persona, but in conversation, his analytical mind, detail oriented, worrysome habits, spending habits, I became convinced he is a Virgo, I have nothing against Virgo men , actually I think they are kind of cool, my ex hubby was a Virgo, there were lots of things I liked about him obviously but the abusive habits just got to me and begin to outweigh the good.

Do you see this tendency, of the man changing after the girl is his, in Earth influenced men? How about Virgo in particular? Could it be his aspects? I have every detail of his posted in the thread started by Sunshine titled something like "Desperately need advice in life altering decision".

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posted March 24, 2005 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Well, with LIbra rising you would be kind,
Chinese astrology says my rising is the Dog/Libra, and I think I can relate. I know wel the torture because you want more than he can give, but no Cancers are not that needy, they lean on their families. They lean on everyone, they are not physically needy and they do not seek constant validation.

Instead they demand that you do things for them, do you have any Cancer friends? One of mine is out with me and she says "Hold this" while she chats with an attractive man, I basically get stuck carrying her luggage. Cancers have no problem getting you to do the work, because their egos want to be pampered.

When Cancers lean, they lean to be pampered, when you lean, you are asking for the bare minimum. You have to ask for the world first off, if you don't then you don't even get the barest of respect because the Cancer seems so Princessy in comparison.

You can't compete, just be yourself and laugh it off already. You are not a Princess that is why you always get taken.

Just stand up for yourself and refuse to get used, again..once it happens once let the person know you can't afford to do this or that, and be verbal, you don't have to give up the friendship but you can't chase it either.

That goes for b/f's or g/f's or family. You can chase respect but you can't always expect it. It comes and goes.

I am in the position today!

Allow me to rant, pardon me...


First of all, everytime I meet with my ex, who is the fatherly type, he rips into me about spending money. I get my money in spurts as an artist and he used to manage it for us so we had a house, things etc. Before I was doing fine but he convinced me I needed him. Capricorn singleton. Anyway, before long he had us locked into a mortgage which he didn't want to pay. Plus he didn't touch me for two years. So fast forward,

I sell the house and I am struggling. When I see him and his family it's a duty, and he likes to rip into me how, I could of done this, or that instead I blew it. That's it's favourite expression. He never tells me ahead of time, he picks over what I do and when I ask for help, or advice, he makes fun of me, then he gives me things like a DVD player with no remote, or some music, or he gives me little things here and there. He left me with huge debts but he never talks about that.

So anyday now I am always terrified that I will end up back in his house again, cooking and cleaning, and being abused verbally and physically because I can't make it on my own. I have bills, two jobs, and too many burdens for a woman, of any age. Plus my hair has started coming in white.

When I do date, the men expect me to cater to their every whim, drive 5-6 hours, buy new clothes, act happy all the time, none of them care what happens to me when I walk out the door, they only want to know what I am going to do for them when I am around, when I want them, they are always busy but the door is open...they are the masters at noncommitment.

I always date a few different men, because to be honest I can't afford not to, if I get stuck with one, he starts to wear me out, and I can't work, I'm too exhausted. Then he's sick of me because I'm tired all the time.

So I guess personal sacrifice to me is love, and that has got to stop, I do not like to see others sacrificing for me, but I suppose it has to start.

Before my ex left he made sure he had everything he needed since he planned it that way, I had to buy medical care, a new car, a new house all within a year with no time to plan anything. Of course I made a lot of bad decisions, and I hear about them from my family everyday.

My mother (Scorpio) has stopped speaking to me because she was expecting to live well at her age, even though she encouraged me to stop the abuse she didn't expect me to end up like I did. Now she is living with a man who she says offers her stability who can't stand me (Sag). She told me she'd never speak to me if I lived with a man before marriage, and they are not married. Plus he's Jewish and she's Catholic and they will never marry according to him. But all that's okay.

Last year I just about had a breakdown with all of this, when I trusted my mother to help me sell my house and instead she abandoned it and it was broken into, my things were stolen and I haven't spoken to her since. She feels I am uppity now that I am on my own and I'm not making the sacrifices, that is I'm not married, even though she saw the abuse for herself.

So it's been a pain in the butt year for me too, that is you find out who your true friends are when you don't have what it takes to grease the wheels.

AS the song says
"Stores open, and I've got nothing but love for you honey"
That's pretty much where it's at now with the Leo.

I am burnt because I spent all last weekend with a Cancer who took me out every single second of the day to visit his family and friends and were constantly partying from house to house. Cancers really put on a show, I don't know any shy ones. Then the Leo wants me, but only gives me a few days notice. As if I'm sitting around waiting on him-of course!

So I have no time to get my hair done, and of course I feel what's the use? He just wants to show me off to his friends too, he informed me so there is no time alone again!

Both men like me to stand around and look pretty, it's so boring,

The Gemini dumped me right at Christmas after I spent a ton of money on him planning our weekend, he told me he could never see himself with just me, that would never happen, what a pain, he of course is independently wealthy so what's a few dollars? He says he's always happy to see me, as long as I pick up the tab because if he pays that implies something and he doesn't want me to think he would want me ever.

i often joke I would be better off paying for it,
as I am now on my way to visit two different men this weekend so they can take me shopping and tell me what I should buy. I could fool around with one of them, but i don't have the energy anymore.

What you are suffering from with your Leo, is I am sick of chasing you blues! I am about to tell the Leo where to go, if he doesn't start chasing me and stop his whining and his non commital attitude I wont' see him again or put out the effort. I give every man one weekend to really look at him and then I decide. The Cancer was more fun, he's not pushy either, but at least he's funny. His chart is Cancer/Leo Moon, very giving.

We need a nice water or fire moon,
I know water moon men are the best!

Natasha
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Cancer Moon
I am not a Princess, but I'm not a Slave either!

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posted March 24, 2005 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha Im so very sorry to hear about your predicament, yes life is a b!@tch, and it always hits those hardest in the face who are the most giving, maybe it is your strong sixth house, which makes you overly considerate,

nowadays people with Virgo and Libra influences have been having a lot of rough times, I can see it in all the Virgo and Libra influenced people I know, especially those who have sixth house or seventh house populated.

I know what you mean, I am literally tired of doing all the attracting, pulling in the good ones, why is it that we have to put ourselves on display, like mannequins, and ask for good men to be satisfied with us or find us then, why dont the men do the chasing for once, and why is it that nowadays men have lost the initiative to chase women, where have the good old days of courtship gone honestly? This Leo has completely died down in terms of passion and romance, I will tell him tonight in no uncertain terms, I will speak his language.

Whenever I talk about another man or compare him to another man he suddenly gets very insecure. Tonite I feel like being mean , or should I say , acting with him the way I SHOULD given the way that he acts with me! I plan on very sweetly telling him that oh gosh hes getting so old hes going to be 30 this year, doesnt he feel horrible, and that I am looking into pursuing men that have a lot of stamina and passion, that is my craving, and that i feel will complete me as a woman.

Seeing that he has detached mars and venus (gem and virgo), that will probably be something that he cant accomplish for me anyways, and its not a lie, I do want someone like that, and he simply does not have it, or he doesnt do it for me anymore. What does he think I am some thing to use and discard whenever he pleases?

Just yesterday he messaged me on MSN and said, hi, and the next phrase out of his mouth was, did you ask your boss whether they still need that actor intern, I work for a media company in Public relations and he has been whining for me to get him an acting position. I as usual felt ****** about it inside, said nothing to him outside, and proceeded to call my boss and ask. WHY WHY WHY!

Well your ex sounds like a total idiot, a fool, unworthy, do not move in with him at any cost, it is better you come up with something or should I say anything to keep yourself separate.

Your mother-story surprised me, isnt it amazing how two-faced people can be, one set of values for themselves and another fancy sounding set for others, the preachers paradigm is what this is, do what I say not what I do, I hate this personally! What a difficult position she has put you in, when you needed support the most! I hope you dont mind my comments about her, they are directed in general at people who pursue that sort of strategy and not in particular at your mother, but at this type of behavior.

You said that one can chase respect but shouldn't expect it always, but nowadays it seems that you cant EVER expect it, not just always, because it doesnt exist anymore for people who are honest and hold relationship and equality-oriented values. Sometimes I dont know what the world is coming to, or I do sense what it is coming too but it is too grotesque to ponder.

Most Cancers are resilient though, they stand out even if they are quiet, my cousin who is a cancer girl was my best friend for years before a silly feud split the family up. She is very clever and cunning, very self protective. She has an abusive father but chooses to live with her parents because she knows it will give her maximum financial and social benefit--the pity from others, as well as the economic aid. She also supports emotional support to her mother who is the main abusee, if thats a word. She has such strength that despite her whining, she is the one who is intact int he end after all the other children are broken emotionally from the family drama.

She always stood out as the most elegant, powerful, she had a way of making people do what she wanted, and had this very pretty way of doing that, it wasn't demanding or ugly or dominating. It was a very, feminine way to get things done, under the table, you could never tell unless you knew her in such depth as i did, and for so many years. She could literally push anyone in the house to do anything. She wasn't considered pretty but she had a good body, a way of walking that was very soft, and wrapped up, if you know what I mean. I think she would be very attractive to men in general, despite her shortcomings, because she is such a pleasant person to be with.

I guess being the Gem that I am I always try to hook people into me with communication, by making them laugh, or confide in me, or comforting them, or doing something on a communicative level to make them feel my friend. However, what i dont get is how this Cancer girl can make everyone love her so much when she is just a listener and not even a talker. most of the time when Im around the Leo I am so shy, i provide him his audience as you know Leo men need an audience, someone who will laugh at their jokes or appreciate their taste or compliment their political affiliation even if it has obvious holes in it. I can and can't do this, i do it when I want to, but I am so shy that I seem completely un-Geminian. When we are not face to face, I am myself, but I dont see him giving any positive reaction in either situation.

I think you may be right, maybe I am holding on to him too tight, maybe the solution is for me to let go, and start buildling up my own strength now. He has completely drained me!

Love
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posted March 25, 2005 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
SG sometimes you get outside yourself, your boundaries become his boundaries and his pain is yours, that's when you are more likely to need someone because you are getting tapped out, and he is more likely to complain that you are not as giving as usual.

I find when I most need someone is when things are going badly, I just don't know it yet, because I feel this guilt in my stomach about holding him and he feels it too. When he feels my need, he feels like turning to someon else, and I want to hold on and let go at the same time, of my memories, very painful.

I don't want to be in that position again,

I told the Leo that this weekend was off, as it would mean spending a holiday with him and his son, and family and we wouldn't have any time alone anyway. I would feel the need to be held even stronger and that's not great for me. Of course I cant' tell him that, plus I am tapped out financially and he didn't offer to pay my far to go see him, even though I said I was tapped. out.

Does your Leo have a Venus virgo? My ex had that too..

This Cancer I know would have sprung for my fare in a heartbeat without making me feel guilty, he has Venus in Gemini, Mars in Sag, so it must be the Earth Venus-

Anyway, stand up for yourself! I think once you open yourself up to other offers, you may be suprised at how you feel. The Cancer isn't great looking but I was surprised at how much more fun he was. He says he has to stop himself from calling me every day,

Nice to hear for once,
I think, I behave more like an earth rising, because my sag rising ruler is in Virgo/10th house.

Wishing you lots of Love,
You make me feel more hope,

Natasha

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posted March 26, 2005 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secret Garden     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha,

that is so true that I do get outside of myself, I have been outside of myself for years and years now. I have an identity but it is not distinct from what is around me, I dont mean physically but in every way (emotionally also), I have a very dark sullen sort of side, my spirit tends to merge with the people I like, it moves with them, and I never think of myself separately from them,if anything hurts them it will hurt me beyond belief.

I never get angry or rarely, but the times when I have gotten so angry that I have acted in anger, is when someone was unfair to my beloved ppl, the one who I feel my soul merges with.

I think this is bad, it is needy isn't it, I think of it as a oneness, but then again, I didnt ask him if I could share my soul with him I just did so, not his fault if he's not as attached right?

But then again I didn't ask myself either, it just happened, as it always does.

Thats true about needing someone when things go badly, when we're happy we feel as if we're on top of the world, happiness is larger than people or objects, so just me and my happiness are enough, but when I'm sad sadness consumes me, so if there isn't anyone else with me at those times I feel alone.

I'm surprised that the Leo didn't offer to pay for your trip, what I've noticed is that whether or not other people think so, Leos definitely feel that they are overly generous and taken advantage of. My mother is generous, yes, but she has been whining for the past 2 years about how everyone just milks her for her money, well yes, so does everyone do that to me, but I dont whine about it constantly, because whining is the most abhorrent thing in the world to me and it doesnt fix anything. Now even though she doesnt admit it she has become much more 'careful' with her money I think sometimes she even refuses to spend it when she should.

My Leo does have Venus in Virgo (1st house), Mars in Gem (10th house), Im surprised that he is so self centered when his moon is in sixth, and his heaviest sign influence is Virgo, isn't that strange? And its not just me, his friends, especially his best friend of 20 years, have abandoned him because he has become so selfish. If someone can't further his social agenda, or doesnt have any power or good apperances to offer for him he puts you in his 'class B' friends category.

It is so much easier to say, stand up for yourself, to a person who has never really done so. I dont have the strength, I have the strenght to do anything and everything in life except to create disharmony, to hurt someones feelings because that is what haunts me till this day. My own failures I could care less about, but it is those moments when I knew I said something difficult or harsh for the other person to digest, or that I hurt someone else, those are the moments that live on in my memory forever

How do I behave more like an earth rising, just out of curiousity as I am beginning to hate my rising with a passion, it makes me a pudgy pushover of a person, always the fool , always the one poked fun at, like tonight at a wedding, when I was particularly sad to begin with, I hate being a child and having to tell myself dont cry in front of people, and I hate that my eyes tell instantly that Im on the verge of tears. But no one ever sees my tears, it is scary that if someone makes me want to cry I will deliberately make them cry, not through my words but by ignoring them, by giving them the certain attitude and looks, I can convey that I think they are worth zero seconds of my time, then they will feel bad,

then the guilt starts again,

I think guilt is the most difficult emotion to deal with, embarrassment being a close second !

With a scorpio moon conjunct saturn and opposing the sun, it is difficult to deal with emotions anyways. But I never lose hope, I am just not that way, I can never let myself be weak for more than 15 minutes. I have too much at stake to do so Natasha, I am almost done with my career, I am embarked on a spiritual journey, if I give up now I know I will regret it. Even when one is hiking or driving, you never pull on the side of the road for more than 15 minutes, it makes you lose focus and it makes you doubt your own abilities to finish what you're doing, no?

I wish you strength in what you do, just like I wish myself strength. Despite my bad luck in the end I think I can pull off that strength, be it because of lack of other options, or because I was really courageous, but its true.

Love
SG

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posted March 26, 2005 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Good Luck SG, I know exactly what you mean about guilt and strength. That guilt will sap you, and it's not coming from you. Some people have a great way of using guilt to drain your emotions, (my dog died when I was a kid, nobody loves me today) I bet you don't have anything to feel guilty about and rarely feel guilty for other people unless pressed-don't let other people get to you, so much, take some spiritual protection with you.

All of us have to cling some time or another without guilt, but if you reach out to someone and he makes you feel weak for doing so, then he's the one that's not good at really needing you. I like a man who isn't afraid to be needy.

I will be sending you strength,

Natasha

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