posted December 17, 2019 11:43 PM            

I don’t post much but have been following sporadically since around 2002. I’ve just come across something and would love some help from the gooberz community

As all human beings do, I’ve had many moments of reflection over my life, and this usually happens towards the end of the year. I always wonder where my life is heading, what fits my nature and purpose best in this life, and who will be a major part of it throughout this journey.
I recently read about the natal promise. Have any of you heard of this? And if so, would you be able to tell me what sort of things my chart leans towards, or “promises”? Major questions, of course, such as marriage, children, success in career, education, etc. anything that sticks out or makes an impression, too.

Thank you!!

posted December 18, 2019 02:59 AM            

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I recently read about the natal promise. Have any of you heard of this?

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In essence, this means that if something is not indicated in the natal chart (via analysis, interpretation and synthesis of the astrological indicators) it will not happen - even though progressions and transits might appear to be indicating that it will.

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would you be able to tell me what sort of things my chart leans towards, or “promises”? ... such as marriage.

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1. Aspects to and from the Sun (in a woman's chart), or to and from the Moon (in a man's chart).

2. Applying aspects from the ruler of the 7th house.

3. Planets in the 7th house, and their aspects.

4. Interception in the 7th house (indicates multiple marriages).

However ... to correctly analyse, interpret and synthesise those 4 astrological indicators involves other considerations - so the process is time-consuming ... and my guess is that few members of (any) forums will have enough time to do this for more than one "promise" in your natal chart.

posted December 18, 2019 01:13 PM            

The things I’m curious about, in order of importance, are:
1. Marriage
2. Children
3. Career

posted December 19, 2019 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Graham, thank you for such an insightful response.

The things I’m curious about, in order of importance, are:
1. Marriage
2. Children
3. Career

Thanks again

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So ... since this is the chart of a female ... we first need to consider the Sun's aspects to Moon/Mercury/Venus/Mars/Uranus and (perhaps) Chiron. ... Then we have to consider :-

2. The applying trine from Mars (ruler of Aries/7th) to Jupiter.

3. Jupiter in Aries/7th (at the anaretic degree), and it's sextile to Chiron in Gemini/9th.

4. The duplication (due to interception) of Aries on the cusp of both the 6th and 7th houses. (Because it indicates that a problem in the 6th house is adversely affecting the activities of the 7th house.)
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Aspects to and from the Sun

1. When planets progress or transit through these aspects, the sequence of contact/activation is Mercury -> Venus -> Uranus+Moon+Sun -> Mars (ruler of 7th house). ... So the progressing/transitting planet indicates the nature of the person that is a potential partner - and the contact sequence indicates the (internal) assessment which you then go through (in "weighing up" his suitability to be your partner).

Thus, during a progression or transit of (say) Saturn, a man with qualities symbolised by that planet gets noticed by you - then, as/when the natal planets are activated, you assess his intellect (Mercury) -> physical attractiveness, and values (Venus) -> unpredictability (Uranus) + stability (Moon) + self-awareness (Sun) -> ... and then decide to enter (or not enter) into a relationship (Mars/ruler of 7th).

2. This process is dominated by your (almost-exact-orbed) Sun-Moon-Uranus Learning Triangle ... which is the process that is activated immediately before deciding to act/not act.

And, my interpretation of that process is - the Moon (in Taurus/8th) needs the approval of others; Uranus (in Sag/2nd) is impelling you to trust your own judgement/be more self-reliant and the Sun (in Leo/10th, trine Uranus/square Moon) is being guided by Uranus.

3. So ... with regard to the marriage promise in the natal chart ... the aspects to and from the Sun are saying "yes, if you trust your own judgement" - but "no, if you pay too much attention to the views of others".

Applying aspects from the ruler of the 7th house.

Your Mars is comfortable in Leo/10th, and with making an applying trine to Jupiter in Aries/7th plus a sextile to Chiron* in Gemini. So ... with regard to the marriage promise in the natal chart ... the Mars-Jupiter-Chiron triangle is saying "come and get me, potential partner".

[In this chart, the Chiron wound makes you a good communicator - even though you will feel/think/believe you are not. And, that above-average ability to communicate ensures that the "come and get me" message will be heard.]

Planets in the 7th house, and their aspects.

Jupiter-in-7th is at the anaretic degree of Aries - so very keen (and working hard) to be a "significant other" in a one-to-one relationship. And, as already stated above, it's aspects to Mars and Chiron are delivering a "come and get me" message to potential partners.

Interception in the 7th house

Your intercepted signs (of Capricorn and Cancer) are in the 3rd and 9th houses - but the duplicated house cusps (created by them) are on the 6th+7th and 12th+1st. And, as stated earlier, this indicates a problem/issue in the 6th house that is adversely affecting the activities of the 7th house. So, that 6th house issue may affect the natal marriage promise - but, without knowing/ascertaining what that issue is, I have to ignore that possibility for now.

Conclusion

posted December 19, 2019 02:17 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
If it’s ok I’d like to add my data to this exercise chain:
1. Sun applying quintile to NN, trine to Juno [all under 1° orb] next major aspect is a trine to ASC-Mars [8°]
2. L7 Saturn applies a sesquisquare to ASC-Mars [1°] then square to Pluto [3°] 😬, yet exactly applying square 5th House Vertex [0°]
3. Neptune-Uranus in 7th, sextile Mercury [2a°], sextile Pluto [5a°], square Venus [7a°]
4. No interception

From what I understand, some folks count a number of promises based off the each applying major aspect?

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posted December 19, 2019 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Graham, so insightful. Thank you. So basically it’s up to my indecisive butt whether to marry or not. Ugh! Lol I’m literally in that situation now.

As far as Jupiter in the 7th in Aries, does that not affect marriage in a good way?

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However, Jupiter is indeed working "in a good way" - and whether or not you do marry is entirely in your hands, since there will be (and probably already have been) many opportunities for you to engage with potential marriage partners.

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my indecisive butt

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posted December 20, 2019 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
If it’s ok I’d like to add my data to this exercise chain:
1. Sun applying quintile to NN, trine to Juno [all under 1° orb] next major aspect is a trine to ASC-Mars [8°]
2. L7 Saturn applies a sesquisquare to ASC-Mars [1°] then square to Pluto [3°] 😬, yet exactly applying square 5th House Vertex [0°]
3. Neptune-Uranus in 7th, sextile Mercury [2a°], sextile Pluto [5a°], square Venus [7a°]
4. No interception

From what I understand, some folks count a number of promises based off the each applying major aspect?

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(Although your exactly applying square from Saturn to 5th House Vertex does need to be considered, it is not shown on the above chart extract - because I do not know what letter Astrodiesnt use for the vertex in their programs. ... So, only Jupiter and Chiron disappear from your posted image - but I have used a 150% orb factor, so that the aspect lines can be seen ... and left the Moon in, as it is at the anaretic degree and aspected by the Sun.)

When you look at the above image, vansio ... do you see a mountain range? : the iceberg that sank the Titanic? : something else? : just aspect lines?

posted December 20, 2019 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Perhaps that is the 6th house issue which is adversely affecting the activities of your 7th house.

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Well, perhaps it’s not that I’m indecisive, per se (the past relationships that could’ve been marriages I simply fell out of love), but the current relationship I’m in has been a turbulent ride for the past several years. I think there’s a big gap in emotional maturity. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s a situation worth staying in, or whether I should give myself the opportunity to find someone else. Then I doubt that maybe I won’t even be able to find someone else who I love as much. Especially if I want children before 40.

posted December 20, 2019 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
When you look at the above image, vansio ... do you see [...] something else?

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an origami boat came to mind

posted March 11, 2020 09:24 PM            

I am curious, Graham (or anyone who feels they have some answers or insights regarding my following inquiries), whether the current transits to my natal chart show any indication of a new love, or marriage, or children, or change of residence. Any changes, basically. I feel as though I am at a crossroads, and though I’m confused, I think I am on the verge of a breakthrough of some sort.

I’m currently in a relationship—or, well, I guess I am not—we are so back and forth. (That is, I am so back and forth lol). Because of the past, and certain things in the present, I am not sure if we are good for each other. Sometimes, though, I can really imagine a great life together. And other times, I can imagine myself meeting someone who is perfect for me and I for them.

Any thoughts?

posted March 12, 2020 10:10 AM            

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I feel as though I am at a crossroads, and though I’m confused, I think I am on the verge of a breakthrough of some sort.

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I suspect that you are feeling the effect of progressed moon - currently at 26Cancer42, where it is activating your wide natal Mars-Jupiter trine. ... So, you are perhaps more visibly exhibiting that natal Mars-Jupiter-Chiron triangle message of "come and get me, potential partner".

But, transit Saturn and Pluto (in natal 3rd) are currently opposing that progressed Moon, and making difficult aspects to the natal Mars-Jupiter-Chiron triangle ... which suggests long-term communication issues with any partners attracted during this activation of the triangle by progressed moon.

However, that only confirms the need to trust your own judgement on this. ... For example, despite celebrating our 50th wedding anniversary in January 2020, my wife and I still have unresolved communication issues that have been there since the day we first met.

posted March 12, 2020 12:26 PM            

Our synastry: I’m the blue.

There is a potential partner whom I haven’t met yet (He lives in the state that I almost moved to two years ago, hence how we happened to meet on Instagram) who has expressed great interest over the last two years. Nothing has progressed, but as I am currently single (although very much still tied to that last relationship) I may possibly be meeting him in a group setting this weekend.

This is our synastry, although he said his birth time was “around 2:30am”: I’m the blue.

posted March 13, 2020 04:38 AM            

Long-term issues are shown by difficult aspects from the outer planets of person A to the inner planets of person B. ... I cannot see any of those in your potential relationship - and the easy inner-to-outer planet contacts there indicate long-term compatibility.

posted March 13, 2020 08:20 PM            

As to your current transits ...

What you are experiencing is partly Saturn & Pluto's square to your natal Asc (assuming this chart is basically accurate). That is a transit that presents a window of opportunity of the kind that won't feel much like opportunity, but more like crisis, blockage, issues, each person vying for their own agenda or control. It is a test of honest communication and the strength of any existing relationship. Pluto will continue in this transit long after Saturn's part is done, leaving you with more the internal drive for empowerment and a different balance related to others generally.

Pluto's transit trine your natal Moon strengthens your own feelings and sense of your own needs. That will last another year or two. It is a good time to get in touch with yourself more deeply.

The Confusion is largely from Neptune's transit square both natal Saturn & Uranus. Neptune to Saturn transits like this challenge your ability to deal with fear and overcome resistance to change in the face of life's uncertainties. Make sure you use your imagination constructively rather than falling into pessimism by way of worst case scenarios and what-ifs. You'll have to restructure your life in some ways, but the psychological basis of it is changing. Neptune square natal Uranus will last for about 4 more years and it is a test of the integrity of your mind. Its energies can run the range of euphoria and fascination ... to ... confusion and delusion. Be very careful about preemptively making sudden far-reaching decisions during the next 4 years. Consider things carefully and keeping clarifying your actionable vision or ideals for living that are informed by your own needs. Be careful to sift out fantasy from reality. You'll likely feel more an idealistic drive for something greater during this time and that is okay. Just go into it incrementally as you have clarity.

Pluto's transit square natal Jupiter (2020-26) will be a period of growing confidence and determination to move forward with your life decisively and to take some risks in doing so. At the moment you're probably not feeling that so much -- but you will certainly by next year or 2022.

For now, focus more on internal awareness rather than any external tug of war or changing circumstances. Those are taking place for sure, but your real opportunity is to get a more sure signal from within yourself of what is most important to you, what feels right to you, what you need. Don't assume first preferences or familiar patterns will point to that. This is about a more open intuitive signal that speaks to you even of things not yet known or familiar.

Uranus's transit (now 4° Taurus) square the IC/MC degree area (~4° Aqu/Leo) indicates to me that a move or drastic change of domestic pattern is imminent (again, assuming the Asc figure is basically accurate). That may also involve a change of work.

So yes, a combination of factors do point to you being on the edge of a breakthrough, but the key is trusting your internal guidance (Moon-Taurus) to keep a balance within.

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Expert birth chart rectification

posted March 14, 2020 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
😂 well I guess I won’t know the answer to that will I? 😂 unless something out of the ordinary happens and I feel an intense attraction to the potential guy.

But even so, in the composite with the new guy, we have a bunch of planets in the 12th house, which I’ve heard doesn’t bode too well. Is that something to consider when entering into a relationship, as a potential pitfall?

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posted April 02, 2020 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
There is no such thing as a "promise" of anything in the natal chart. We create our outcomes, not astrological factors or birth charts. The birth chart is only a starting place of default patterns given a context in the present lifetime.

As to your current transits ...

What you are experiencing is partly Saturn & Pluto's square to your natal Asc (assuming this chart is basically accurate). That is a transit that presents a window of opportunity of the kind that won't feel much like opportunity, but more like crisis, blockage, issues, each person vying for their own agenda or control. It is a test of honest communication and the strength of any existing relationship. Pluto will continue in this transit long after Saturn's part is done, leaving you with more the internal drive for empowerment and a different balance related to others generally.

Pluto's transit trine your natal Moon strengthens your own feelings and sense of your own needs. That will last another year or two. It is a good time to get in touch with yourself more deeply.

The Confusion is largely from Neptune's transit square both natal Saturn & Uranus. Neptune to Saturn transits like this challenge your ability to deal with fear and overcome resistance to change in the face of life's uncertainties. Make sure you use your imagination constructively rather than falling into pessimism by way of worst case scenarios and what-ifs. You'll have to restructure your life in some ways, but the psychological basis of it is changing. Neptune square natal Uranus will last for about 4 more years and it is a test of the integrity of your mind. Its energies can run the range of euphoria and fascination ... to ... confusion and delusion. Be very careful about preemptively making sudden far-reaching decisions during the next 4 years. Consider things carefully and keeping clarifying your actionable vision or ideals for living that are informed by your own needs. Be careful to sift out fantasy from reality. You'll likely feel more an idealistic drive for something greater during this time and that is okay. Just go into it incrementally as you have clarity.

Pluto's transit square natal Jupiter (2020-26) will be a period of growing confidence and determination to move forward with your life decisively and to take some risks in doing so. At the moment you're probably not feeling that so much -- but you will certainly by next year or 2022.

For now, focus more on internal awareness rather than any external tug of war or changing circumstances. Those are taking place for sure, but your real opportunity is to get a more sure signal from within yourself of what is most important to you, what feels right to you, what you need. Don't assume first preferences or familiar patterns will point to that. This is about a more open intuitive signal that speaks to you even of things not yet known or familiar.

Uranus's transit (now 4° Taurus) square the IC/MC degree area (~4° Aqu/Leo) indicates to me that a move or drastic change of domestic pattern is imminent (again, assuming the Asc figure is basically accurate). That may also involve a change of work.

So yes, a combination of factors do point to you being on the edge of a breakthrough, but the key is trusting your internal guidance (Moon-Taurus) to keep a balance within.

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This was something I really needed to hear. Your words have helped me realize, upon reflection, that my entire life, for the most part, has been one long idealistic hope for true love. I've been accomodating and lenient and have let other things take a backseat to relationships. Although I have a stellium in the tenth, in Leo, I have even let my career take a back seat for "love", or what I thought was love. I don't regret it--I believe this is part of what I needed to experience in this lifetime--but upon reading your words, I delved in a little deeper into what motivates me and why I act the way I do.

I also read more about the North Node and South Node. My NN is in Aries in the 5th house. I read that those with Aries NN and Libra SN have to learn how to let their own individuality shine forth, and not let their aversion to conflict nor their yearning for being codependent dictate how their lives go. The lesson in this life is to burst forth and trust in themselves, to have confidence in their abilities and trust that they must walk alone, and only then will the rest fall into place.

I also noticed that I have Jupiter in anaretic degree i Aries in the 7th house--perhaps another indicator of my indecision regarding love relationships.

I've taken all of this to mean that I should trust in myself and my abilities, to have faith that I am enough (more than enough), and the I will accomplish nothing until I stand up and and roar! (Leo tendencies coming out here for sure