posted February 18, 2012 08:18 AM            

Anyway, since i have gotten into astrology and noticed that configuration, i have always viewed the trine to venus as a "way out". BUT i have recently realized that the trine is 6.08 degrees and separating! AND my venus is a mutable singleton (unless chiron counts). So that makes my venus borderline unaspected and a singleton??

I have read the descriptions for the unaspected venus. I do relate strongly to both my venus and my asc (my angles are the only thing in fire signs, no fire houses occupied either). I relate to being passive and sometimes lazy but i care a great deal about other people, i usually consider others' feelings before my own.

In relationships, i do feel uneasy when it comes to deep, deep intimacy. Being responsible for anothers feelings also makes me uneasy because im scared of hurting people. I no not have a hard time getting attention, in fact a lot of the time i wish to be unnoticed. I am however very charismatic, fun and always (wish i was exaggerating) positive, sunny on the outside and people love to be around me. Men tend to easily fall in love with me so i try to be aware and appropriate not to lead anyone on. I am respected and adored by many but i hardly ever feel understood. I feel fake and exhausted most of the time. I relate to everyone and no one. I love people and i wish to make everyone happy. I am spiritual and open minded.

My moon being in the 12th house, I find it extremely hard to express my emotions but i do feel deeply. My moon is also opposed by 3 retrograde planets, exact by saturn. Pluto is also retrograde but only makes a lose trine to my moon. My moon does, thankfully, sexile my sun/mercury.

I was raised in an extremely, even unreasonably, strict family. I grew up in Ukraine, individuality was squashed not only because of culture but also religion. There was a lot of pressure to grow up early, and i did. My younger sister and i were left home alone for hours when i was 3 and a half and she was 1 and a half. Never burned down the place or opened the door to a stranger. That being said, i know my parents love me dearly and have onle ever had the best intentions. I am glad i grew up in that family. I doubt i would like who i would have become otherwise. Only downside is that i developed some passive-agressive tendencies and that i am now 23 and still only getting to know myself, doing a fairly bad job at it to :/

My greatest fear is that i simply do not have what it takes to be successful, to inspire others, to help people. I doubt myself a lot. My skills, my gifts, pretty much everything. I doubt and i down-play.

Does that sound like the t-square? Is the 6 degree separating trine far to wide to be helpful? What can i expect from my unaspected singleton venus if that is the case?

Sorry about the long post. Any advice and observations are welcome Thank you in advance!!

My natal chart - http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd493/chapstick1011/chart.gif

The placements stay the same in whole sign house system , only my MC is in the 9th (i find this house system most accurate for other people)

My draco to natal - http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd493/chapstick1011/draco-natal.gif

Mystic rectangle but of no help to my venus or mars.

posted February 18, 2012 11:29 AM            

If anything that T-square you're talking about should give you energy and ambition, because it invlolves Mars and Jupiter, and Pluto. Plus they're all in angular houses, which make them prominent.
Even if you have a Fire void, I think this can help a lot, and especially because your ASC and MC are in Fire signs.

With that stellium in the 10th I bet you'll be quite successful, and have a good social standing.

With Venus in the 11th, people appreciate you because you are very friendly and pleasing in groups.

And yes, I'd still count the trine to Mars, even if it's a bit wide, they're still in compatible elements and I'm sure they interact with each other, so you should have a pretty balanced view of the female/male energies in yourself and probably get along with both men and women.

Moon sextile Sun and Mercury is of great help too, I think you are quite a balanced person.

Your Moon does recieve an affliction from Uranus and Saturn, plus it's in the 12th, so it can lead to repressed, unexpressed, unstable and erratic emotions, fear of intimacy, need for emotional independence, etc. The opposition is on the 6th/12th house axis, so you may have some psychosomatic illnesses related to your emotional state.

But Uranus and Saturn trine your Sun and Mercury, so there is still a way out of this, using intelligence and developing a healthy ego.

To counter the negative effects of your T-square, look at the missing leg. In your case it's in Leo in the 1st house.
I'd think it means you should focus on your self-expression, creative pursuits maybe and really just build a healthy ego.

Be careful of aggression/violence in your close relationships as Mars is in the 7th.

Look forward to developing a sense of compassion and try to see the bigger picture and the positive side of things, and cultivate a personal philosophy (Pisces NN in the 9th).

Hope this helped!

posted February 18, 2012 11:39 AM            

Looking at your chart it's really not bad at all :/
The only thing that might be hard to work through is the Sun square Ascendant applying 1deg. I think rather than the moon 12H, the sun-asc is what makes it hard for you to express yourself because I have it in a trine, and again I think the Moon 12H is a good placement.. just me.
The Moon opposing your Saturn & Uranus could be a good balance if you think about it. Saturn being a strict, mature, karmic planet while Uranus is rebellious and free spirited.
Anyway, overall you have GREAT aspects/placements.

posted February 18, 2012 07:51 PM            

I was thinking, after Doux Reve mentioned that i likely have a balance and get along with both males and females. That is true, but i relate more so to the males and tom-boy females. I find them more easy going and i relax a bit more around them. I took some time to read over the unaspected venus descriptions and i relate to some of it. Big issues with self worth, going from extremes on taking care of my appearance to hardly at all. The same with my eating habits. I will surely try to be aware and trike a balance.

So perhaps the trine is little help after all. Btw i have no parallel or contra-paralell anything to my venus.

Doux Reve, that was a very good and detailed reading you did. I relate to everything except being ambitious. But perhaps that is all because i have yet to discover what i want to work towards. I have a general direction but nothing planned. Maybe my first step has to be to find makes me happy, my needs, before i make goals. Having health issues related to my emotions.. Well i am mostly healthy but when something stresses me out, i get cold sores, a lot. When i was younger especially, it was one after another, after another. If i use chapstick, in attempts to prevent an outbreak, it breaks out around my mouth.

posted February 19, 2012 05:18 AM            

Well done for such a detailed post and explanations, sounds like you have a great grasp on the basics and even more. Just for future ref, instead of posting a link to photobucket, if you simply scroll down and click on IMG and then paste in, this means we can view your chart without having to click on your link

I mention this because the link to the image is very small and members that are not computer savvy may not know how to enlarge. In fact I've only recently learnt how to do this myself.... you press ctrl and + sign

Now your venus is a singleton ie: only planet in mutable quadruplicity, which is not as bad as if the only planet in an element ie:fire, earth, air and water

Now what would be intersting is IF you posted your parallels in declinations. I recently investigated ami ann's who also has venus in gemini (unaspected) on this post http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018803.html

and it's a bit like adding another aspect, to an unaspected planet.
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I notice you reduce the orb ratio down to 80%. I tend to reduce it only to 85% as this seems to bring it in line with mainstream views. I do feel your venus trine mars is valid albeit wide orb...

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077 http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm http://www.nanceestar.com/elements.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=319747&posted=1#post319747
Fire Absence
The limited presence of the Fire element in your horoscope may suggest the need to experience life more actively. It may benefit you to become more vital, for you may lack the passion and spark that the fire signs afford. This doesn't mean that you don't enjoy life, but merely that you don't seem to know how to insert yourself into the action; pleasure, thrills and glory will be slow coming your way. Your pleasures are apt to be more subtle and sensitive, without the dramatics and flash. Although this void does not guarantee an introvert, you are not likely to be the extrovert. You lack the dare-devil courage of the fire signs, and this includes the utter self-confidence these signs bestow http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html#Fire%20Absence

this absence of fire or planets in fire houses does seem responsible for you lack of drive and energy. having 6 in earth makes you *very practical* I have 4earth 4fire and love doing DIY type things, do you?

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what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous tensions/problems internally, but the good thing is the get you up off your backside to resolve issues.

Sounds like you stronlgy identify and excude your Leo traits outwardly in expressions. Leo are very socialbe extrovert signs and can be charismatic, but are sometimes known for occasionally being a drama queen or throwing the dummy out..

posted February 19, 2012 05:32 AM            

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My moon being in the 12th house, I find it extremely hard to express my emotions but i do feel deeply. My moon is also opposed by 3 retrograde planets, exact by saturn. Pluto is also retrograde but only makes a lose trine to my moon. My moon does, thankfully, sexile my sun/mercury.

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It's actually 'very commonn' for the outers to be retrograde, but your moon is modified by sign /cancer, where it's posited shows where it expresses and how it's aspected shows HOW it expresses. So my first assesment would be you having major problems with mother??

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.
Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

When Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

I have the moon square uranus and to me this suggests an early break with mother, women/friendships and is on my list of divorce aspects.
Moon opp saturn could suggest financial shortages perhaps in childhood and a mother that's all about duty, responsibilities and being practical.
Moon opp neptune (which I have) shows confusions around mother and her role in your life. Sometimes this can be linked to eating disorders, but more likely chiron in hard aspect to moon. I notice yours is 7' separating?

Moon in 12th can suggest some kind of resentment towards mother, anything from being smother loved to emotional neglect.

This stellium in 6th also make hard aspect, square to MC

Neptune in Square, Quincunx, Opposition to Midheaven

"Without a firm sense of who you are and where you're headed, you may be subject to more than your share of downtime career-wise. You may find yourself a target for deceptive career schemes and false promises. Some of this can be avoided by getting into some serious career counseling and making whatever effort necessary to become knowledgeable in your chosen field. Your biggest challenge may be to avoid getting sidetracked by doubts about your choices. You don't have to compromise your search for your ideal life's work. You'll just have to make some focused efforts in order to achieve it. Consider some of the following career potentials: acting, any of the helping professions, working as a healer, undercover agent, psychologist, or in the arts (music, singing, dancing, painting), psychic channeling, anything connected to the sea, writing novels, or working in the field of chemistry and pharmaceuticals." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsneptune.htm

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My greatest fear is that i simply do not have what it takes to be successful, to inspire others, to help people. I doubt myself a lot. My skills, my gifts, pretty much everything. I doubt and i down-play.

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regarding the draco chart. I think you will be hard pushed to find any sidereal astrologers around here or anywhere. 99% of western astrologers use Tropical system.

I myself use Equal house system, which gives a second 10th house cusp as well as main MC

posted February 19, 2012 05:44 AM            

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having sun,mercury and jupiter in 10th part of T Square will give you some ambition and need to be recognised. if you don't attain this yourself you may well 'push a partner' to achieve to give you the status you are looking for.

your mercury opp pluto and squre mars, is a major feature, this can give you fantastic research ability for digging and delving into people's psyche. the mars square not also makes for a quick mind and speech, but can also add argumentativeness, prob because you had to stand up for yourself in childhood
http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre
mars/Pluto aspects by Donna Cunningham

I wouldn't describe mars in 7th as possible violence as Doux Rêve suggested, but it may make for 'lively exchanges' in communications. It's in aquarius who always wants altruism, fairness and balance (7th)
Now ruler of 7th is Aquarius and ruler Uranus is in 6th so i feel that they may be unexpected upheavals (7th) that may affect your health and daily routines (6th)

now mars square pluto is another matter, and I feel this is more connected to family and upbringing. This can attract violence, but also give it out. What it really needs is for you to do something physical, the risker the better. Like sports, martial arts, mountain climbing, bungjee jumping etc. http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre
mars/Pluto aspects by Donna Cunningham

Do you do anything like this?

pluto/scorpio rules 5th
Ruler of the Fifth House in the Fourth House

"Love and love affairs may be more fulfilling later in life. Investments and speculation may be successfully applied to real estate and property matters. Your children or children in general feel comfortable in your home. Your children may become like your "parents" later in life. Your creative ideas are often expressed in your home through decorating, cooking, etc." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr5

so concerning possible abuse, it may well come from 'other children' in your childhood, your own children, or even other people's children if you childmind?

posted February 19, 2012 05:50 AM            

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So perhaps the trine is little help after all. Btw i have no parallel or contra-paralell anything to my venus.

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in Equal house system cancer/moon rules 12th and is posited in 12th

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Twelfth House

"Your past lives have an influence on your desire to help other people and you may choose to perform some kind of service through large public institutions.You may experience confusion and doubt about certain spiritual matters. You can more easily get in touch with your subconscious mind, or even receive spiritual guidance while you are in a meditative state. Allowing feelings of self doubt and guilt to get the upper hand will eventually work against you. Put the past behind you. Today is the first day of the rest of your life." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr12

Cancer is all about nurturing and family and this placement suggests subconscious feaers of perhaps not receiving enough nurturance in early childhood as moon rules first five years...

Also having ruler of 7th in 6th suggests meeting partners through work environment and daily routines, but with that stellium thier it may come out of the blue (uranus) be slow to develop due to Saturn, and hard to define Neptune..

with hemisphers balanced with 5above and 5below this is nice as it suggests you can have the objectiveness needed to resolve problems..

posted February 19, 2012 05:55 AM            

Your North Node in pisces 8th house shows your Life Lessons are connected to joint finances, whether partner, employer or state, but also lessons around all 8th house matters like sex, life after death, insurances, inheritances etc. Pisces is all about compassion, tea and sympathy, you may well find that others bring their financial problems to YOU--- http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house8

Now South Node in Virgo in 2nd is your comfort zone and your earning capacity and taurus (natural ruler) likes bricks and mortar would be good investements but also 2nd is about YOUR self esteem, beliefs and personal values as opposed to others beliefs and values in 8th but ironically, THIS is what your learning Lessons are about. So interactions with others on a ver deep and meaningful way is your lesson. But people don't normally start reaching for N Node until mid life

posted February 19, 2012 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

Moon in 12th can suggest some kind of resentment towards mother, anything from being smother loved to emotional neglect.

This stellium in 6th also make hard aspect, square to MC

Neptune in Square, Quincunx, Opposition to Midheaven

BUT I strongly suggest researching Saturn square MC, as THIS will knock your confidence in these matters.

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SaggiMC, thank you for your thorough response im very glad i now know how to post a chart here

I do have issues with my mom. We get along fine most of the time but i really try to limit my contact with her. I find her to be ultra sensitive to EVERYTHING, i literally feel like i have to sensor myself and my beliefs in order to protect her. She asks me, and expects me to do things for her a lot and NOW. Unreasonably so. It has always been this way, from what she says, and as far as i remember. For example, i am staying with her right now after leaving my husband, and she asks me to massage her feet every night. And i don't USUALLY mind because i know she works hard and on her feet all day. But if i don't feel like it or busy, and i tell her that, she actually straight up pretty much says "shame on you" LOL! my daughter is 5 years old, and if it wasn't for me, she would be her little slave to because that's what she is used to. Its a sore subject for me. Of course i love her, and i know she loves her children more than anything.

Funny, my sun is exactly opposite her NN. Apparently I am stunting her growth, rings true.

The description of neptune square MC is exactly what i couldn't put into words! Wow, thanks for posting that, and i will look into saturn square to MC as well.

What you say about the draco, i had the impression that it is in a sense our subconscious because its very different from sidereal. BTW i find sidereal to be very similar to tropical. Their descriptions of the sings is so very different that our tropical ones. For example, their libra is the one thats intense and sexual and the description of scorpio sounds a lot like an unreasonable taurus.

I use whole houses myself, i find them most accurate in regards to topical division for most people in my life as well as synastry. But the asc degrees within the houses for transits. I truly believe the ASC is underestimated in astrology. I know you use equal, that would be my second choice

The reason i found the violence possibility manifesting in relationships true because of my 7th house mars is because my ex husband had very little self control and was abusive. He would even hit himself.. His mars is in 19 degrees scorpio which is the mars south node and there's a possibility it was squaring his moon (don't know his birth time). Now, reflecting back, i realize it had a lot to do with the fact that i LET it happen.

I am not especially physically active, i am more of the read, read and read some more. I love learning. Hiking is my second favorite hobby and i go as much as i can I am very much a risk taker, fear has yet to stop be from that aspect of life.

Your interpretation if the stellium in the 10th and me pushing my partner to succeed was very, very accurate. I have done that (oops). When i first saw my chart and started researching info on it, i couldn't relate to those placements AT ALL. Well maybe the extreme fear of failure. Seeing the MC in an equal house system, it FINALLY made sense. I am all about growing as a person, philosophy, religion, other cultures. I will definitely take responsibility and focus on developing my own success. My career is non existent as of now. I work as a waitress, rather good at my job and i like the tips but of course i realize this is not it

May i ask what you meant by "business partnership"

I do agree that my NN is in the 8th and not 9th. I dread deep interactions especially with men i truly truly want. Of course other things may point to that to, but im all about no i don't need your help, i don't want your money, i will pay for my own dinner or we are not going out, etc.

Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond. I have been learning astrology online (obsessively) for a year now and this is the first time i asked for a reading. I get the gist of most of whats going on in my chart by now but its nice to have someone objectively look at it and either confirm what i thought and of course notice things i haven't connected