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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Disclaimer:

The point of this thread is not to throw anyone under the bus or to criticize the thread named "Too many readings". This is just my perspective as a sitter, I mean no disrespect by posting my personal opinion which you may or may not agree with.

I pondered for a while as to whether or not I should comment on the "Too many readings" thread but I initially decided against it because I did not want to add fuel to the fire. It definitely wouldn't be a smart move on my part.

However, I did notice that someone reiterated the subject yesterday. Yes, some of us kindly asked if we could get a spot on some free readings which were on offer. Now, it is up to the reader if they want to decide whether or not they want to read for you. How is it other readers' business if the one reader agrees to read for someone? If you're not the reader, I don't think you have a say on who can get a free reading and who can't.

I think watching what people do and don't do on this board is just as bad as refreshing the page to wonder if there's an ongoing free offer. It is a free board after all. A surveillance plan is not appropriate for this sort of setting.

I had a lot of respect for readers on this board for multiple reasons. The readers really helped me when I had no one to turn to. They did it with a generous, kind and genuine heart. It does take a lot of energy to give out thousands of readings on different matters.

However, as a "sitter" my requests for readings was not the result of a "psychic addiction" as some of your referred to it, but it was because some of us are lonely for various reasons. I often posted on here about my struggles to find a job, my parents .. so on and so forth.

I once read someone referring certain sitters as "not balanced". How is this not derogatory to a certain extent (even if the names were not disclosed)?

Some sitters, me included, come on LL for "comfort". What do I mean by "comfort"? Back when I had no money, no job, no friends, was heartbroken and I lived in a toxic environment, I had the chance to hope for a light at the end of the tunnel through the kind readings some of you gave me. I've always been very grateful for these readings and I always say so in the threads.

I wouldn't call myself "unbalanced" or whatever derogatory word some of you may use. I am lonely and I don't have a lot of people to turn to. I don't have a sane family to rely on or real friends to talk to when I'm down. I tend to bottle everything inside and LL helped me feel surrounded with great people even though my reality was anything but bright and shiny.

I have asked multiple questions about the same person. Yes, I did. Why? Because again, when you have no one to talk to about your struggles, you tend to dwell on the past a lot more and it takes you a lot more time to move on.

Why don't we get paid readings? Maybe because some of us on here don't have the means to. I don't have a steady job like some of you on here? I finished college and I've yet to find a real job, unlike my former peers. I can't afford 35$ for a 15 minutes reading. It is not being greedy or selfish. If I had the means to, I would gladly readings from some of my favorite readers on here. The reality at the moment is when you don't have a steady income, 35$ is a lot.

We've all been through hard times when we're just looking for someone to understand and comfort us. Sometimes readings can give you hope and clarity when you're completely lost. Readings are a small guidance which can have a lot of impact on someone.

We're all trying to figure ourselves out here.

Of course, I am not saying that we are entitled to get free readings. This is absolutely not the point of my thread. However, it is not a black and white issue. You cannot go around and accuse people of "taking advantage" of those free readings when you do not know what is going on behind closed doors.

Remember that this is an internet platform and some of you are accusing certain people of "malice" when you don't even know them.

I read a post where a category criteria of "balanced" vs "unbalanced" individuals was drawn. I find this to be extremely offensive. One can be perfectly balanced but the truth of the matter is, they don't have any support system of some sort, despite their best efforts.

I wish I were one of those people who have a lot of friends, a boyfriend, a demanding job and a stable income. Believe me, I'm praying for this every single night. But I don't have any of these at the moment, which is the reason why I spend a lot of time on LL.

I am no asking for you to pity or feel sorry for me. I am just stating one of the many reasons some of us ask for spots on free reading offers. It is just my personal perspective.

Once again, I will always say this, I'm very grateful to all the readers who were kind enough to read for me and lift my spirits up when I was on the verge of giving up. I really am. But please, I would kindly ask you not to use derogatory terms to refer to sitters. It is unfair because you are all putting people in the same box without any background knowledge.

I hope I have no offended anyone and if I did, I apologize in advance for my awkward phrasing. I really would like to thank all the readers for their constant generosity.

Kind Regards,

MA

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GeminiKarat
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posted July 18, 2015 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I did not get all of the debate as my real life keeps me busy.
I wanted to do a Knewflake reading today. I changed my mind.
I can do a reading for you if you want to. I only ask for a little patience, because I only have time in 2 hours.

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blindpainter
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posted July 18, 2015 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blindpainter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree whole heartedly with everything you have said here. i have not read through the comments in the too many readings thread but they seriously made a list of balanced and unbalanced people? what is wrong with these people?? are they teenagers? that is completly disgusting and shameful, why are they allowed to say who is or is not balanced are they trained and certified psychiatrists? i think not. how utterly disgraceful.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 18, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MineAgain, personally I am very disappointed in the only thread I've seen initiated by you here lately. (sorry if I'm wrong). I think the path to not being lonely anymore starts with altruism in all cases.

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ikja
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posted July 18, 2015 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly have a feeling that discussions around 'free readings' are going to go on for a very long time - taking away from the essence of Lindaland and the happy vibes that can be found on here.

The bottom line is that EVERYONE should be conscious of their conduct when it comes to asking for free readings and also offering them out.

Readers should understand that at times, people are going through difficult times which prompt them to seek answers and in turn, multiple readings about a topic. However, they should still be free to say no or request a exchange if they feel like it.

Sitters would do well to understand that they should avoid asking the SAME question within a short space of time and that they should, consider their energy/responses when communicating with readers.

The name calling (and the rest of it) detracts from the real issues that need to be considered in relation to 'free readings' and I don't think much can be resolved by focusing so much on this and rehashing it.

Perhaps we need to make some 'free readings' guidelines. Maybe Bella can write them 😂 - I liked her post in the other thread. It was straight forward and pretty neutral.

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ikja:
I honestly have a feeling that discussions around 'free readings' are going to go on for a very long time - taking away from the essence of Lindaland and the happy vibes that can be found on here.

The bottom line is that EVERYONE should be conscious of their conduct when it comes to asking for free readings and also offering them out.

Readers should understand that at times, people are going through difficult times which prompt them to seek answers and in turn, multiple readings about a topic. However, they should still be free to say no or request a exchange if they feel like it.

Sitters would do well to understand that they should avoid asking the SAME question within a short space of time and that they should, consider their energy/responses when communicating with readers.

The name calling (and the rest of it) detracts from the real issues that need to be considered in relation to 'free readings' and I don't think much can be resolved by focusing so much on this and rehashing it.


So others are free to rehash on the initial thread but I am not free to explain my personal opinion in a polite and peaceful manner?

This is a free forum. I don't see why people are allowed to comment on the other thread repeatedly, yet when I make a thread did not include any personal attack just some remarks, I'm regarded as the "trouble maker" who won't let it go?

I haven't commented on the other thread, mainly because I didn't want add fuel to the fire. I wanted to express my perspective in a respectful and civil manner.

I haven't done any name calling. I just wanted to point out the awkward and offensive phrasing certain individuals used.

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Watercolordaydream
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posted July 18, 2015 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Watercolordaydream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mineagain,
I agree on most of the points you have made here. I am sure whoever has an psychic addiction knows it themselves without having anyone pointing it out. I know the 'too many readings' thread did not started with bad intentions, but to give everyone a gentle reminder to keep your life balanced in all directions. On another note, I also feel that a lot of negative energy is fuming around here because the topic of too any readings has been brought up.

Much love to you and everyone on this forum ~

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
MineAgain, personally I am very disappointed in the only thread I've seen initiated by you here lately. (sorry if I'm wrong). I think the path to not being lonely anymore starts with altruism in all cases.

Dear LeeLoo,

How is this post offensive? Please, let me know what offended you because I wholeheartedly agree with your perspective but I also wanted to express mine as a sitter.

My perspective is not meant to contradict yours in any way. It's actually dissociated from any views that might have been expressed in the initial thread.

Furthermore, I thanked all readers in this thread. I was not trying to make excuses for myself, far from it.

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Watercolordaydream:
Mineagain,
I agree on most of the points you have made here. I am sure whoever has an psychic addiction knows it themselves without having anyone pointing it out. I know the 'too many readings' thread did not started with bad intentions, but to give everyone a gentle reminder to keep your life balanced in all directions. On another note, I also feel that a lot of negative energy is fuming around here because the topic of too any readings has been brought up. I feel like there could've been a better way of addressing and dealing with this issue.

Much love to you ~


Thank you very much water!

Of course, the "Too many readings" was not started with bad intentions, but it took an offensive turn in my eyes, as a sitter.

I understand readers' frustration who may deal with entitled sitters who do not seem to fully grasp the concept of "generosity". I completely do. Anyone who provides a service of some sort is allowed to feel frustrated when their "clients" are not being respectful or polite whether they're getting paid or doing it for free. It is human nature. Readers are not robots.

It is also improper it ask the same question several times and I did that in the past.

However, certain issues should be address without having to label individuals whose behavior may be crossing the line. Both readers and sitter are owed respect.

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ikja
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posted July 18, 2015 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't call you a 'trouble maker' and I also didn't say that you had SPECIFICALLY name called anyone.

I personally think that the potential direction of this thread has the potential to goes against your initial aim to create peace and discuss things in a civil manner; as it simply spills the content of the thread you mentioned into another one.

I honestly think that you could have just posted your comments in that thread. However, like you said, this is a public forum and you're entitled to do what you want - understood; but I'm also allowed to say that I don't really understand why a new thread was created because it opens the whole thing up as '"fresh" again.

Other than that, I acknowledge what you've said and that influenced some of my initial post.

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there should be a "locked" thread on the front page as "Free Reading : Rules" both sitters and readers should abide by. Or at least something along those lines.

So, that both current sitters, readers and new ones know where to draw the line.

These rules would also apply to exchange threads which I have also noticed took an unwanted turn.

This would be more effective than 10 threads rambling on the same topic which might add some unnecessary tension and negative energy to this board.

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ikja
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posted July 18, 2015 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ikja     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MineAgain:
I think there should be a "locked" thread on the front age as "Free Reading : Rules" both sitters and readers should abide by. Or at least something along those lines.

So, that both current sitters, readers and new ones know where to draw the line.

This would be more effective than 10 threads rambling on the same topic which might add some unnecessary tension and negative energy to this board.


I AGREE WITH THIS!!!!

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ikja:
I didn't call you a 'trouble maker' and I also didn't say that you had SPECIFICALLY name called anyone.

I personally think that the potential direction of this thread has the potential to goes against your initial aim to create peace and discuss things in a civil manner; as it simply spills the content of the thread you mentioned into another one.

I honestly think that you could have just posted your comments in that thread. However, like you said, this is a public forum and you're entitled to do what you want - understood; but I'm also allowed to say that I don't really understand why a new thread was created because it opens the whole thing up as '"fresh" again.

Other than that, I acknowledge what you've said and that influenced some of my initial post.


I did not create this thread as some sort of "competition/contradictory perspective" to the other. I'm sorry if this is what you understood.

It was meant to be my personal perspective. I didn't mean to start a debate on it, not at all.

I wanted to speak my own personal views, is all.

Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. It is most definitely not my intent.

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MineAgain
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posted July 18, 2015 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by blindpainter:
i agree whole heartedly with everything you have said here. i have not read through the comments in the too many readings thread but they seriously made a list of balanced and unbalanced people? what is wrong with these people?? are they teenagers? that is completly disgusting and shameful, why are they allowed to say who is or is not balanced are they trained and certified psychiatrists? i think not. how utterly disgraceful.

No names were specifically mentioned, but some category criteria were drawn. I just found that offensive.

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posted July 18, 2015 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Watercolordaydream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MineAgain:
Thank you very much water!

Of course, the "Too many readings" was not started with bad intentions, but it took an offensive turn in my eyes, as a sitter.

I understand readers' frustration who may deal with entitled sitters who do not seem to fully grasp the concept of "generosity". I completely do. Anyone who provides a service of some sort is allowed to feel frustrated when their "clients" are not being respectful or polite whether they're getting paid or doing it for free. It is human nature. Readers are not robots.

It is also improper it ask the same question several times and I did that in the past.

However, certain issues should be address without having to label individuals whose behavior may be crossing the line. Both readers and sitter are owed respect.


I completely agree with you and I was a bit hurt by the thread to be honest. I feel like there is a much better approach to resolve the issue of too many readings, instead the thread may also seem like an attack. What can I say, this is a free public forum for all. I myself have asked many questions about the same person as well, but who hasn't here. Most people come in here in a means is desperation, seeking for answers and comfort and I am so thankful for the ones who are able to soothe my mind when no one else can in my life. I am sad to see this forum has made a negative turn.

I also like your lock thread idea very much!

Hope you'll have a great weekend dear

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vesta
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posted July 18, 2015 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I once read someone referring certain sitters as "not balanced". How is this not derogatory to a certain extent (even if the names were not disclosed)?

Some sitters, me included, come on LL for "comfort". What do I mean by "comfort"? Back when I had no money, no job, no friends, was heartbroken and I lived in a toxic environment, I had the chance to hope for a light at the end of the tunnel through the kind readings some of you gave me. I've always been very grateful for these readings and I always say so in the threads.

I wouldn't call myself "unbalanced" or whatever derogatory word some of you may use. I am lonely and I don't have a lot of people to turn to. I don't have a sane family to rely on or real friends to talk to when I'm down. I tend to bottle everything inside and LL helped me feel surrounded with great people even though my reality was anything but bright and shiny.

I have asked multiple questions about the same person. Yes, I did. Why? Because again, when you have no one to talk to about your struggles, you tend to dwell on the past a lot more and it takes you a lot more time to move on.
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Mine again,
I understand what you are saying. I was there as well for several years. I went through the death and rebirth not understanding what was happening and trying to find answers that is when I found LL close to 10 years ago.
There have been many who have come and gone but one who has been here all along is Ceri.
She helped me through and to understand things I never heard of before as spirituality was new to me. I grew up in a Christian home where you font do tarot and astrology because they are " bad" I got lots to say on that on another day. But I understand I came here and the ones before me like Ceri helped me to learn astrology and tarot even more. When I missed my TF over three years ago I thought my world would collapse
I turned back to LL and those who would understand.
I had many readings done asking when he would come back and even though others said he won't come back. I knew that was not true in my heart. Because on that day the Angels told me he would return. So, not every reader is correct. Some who are willing to put ego aside are the ones who can show the path ahead.
I know how hard it can be to release the pain is intense and sometimes it is hard to move on and we each heal at our own pace. Now that I am able to read for others here on LL I try to give back as best I can I understand that sometimes we ask the same questions over and over (not pointing a finger at you ) as I have no right I did the same thing with my own loss. And the outside readers are expensive who pays 35.00 - 40.00.
After that I would have nothing left if I asked more than 1 of 2 questions. When your in pain you need comfort and someone to talk to who understands. I was isolated and alone thanks to liars, backstabbers, thieves. I did not know who to trust but here on LL I was safe with my friends.

Most of us here on LL have been on the dark side of life at some point and had others to help us through. Maybe a few have forgotten the pain that we endured and need to be a little more understanding to those in that situation at this moment.

I do agree there seem to be the same names over and over again times but in thought the names are familiar to me anyway because I am always on LL.
i guess maybe I could just simply ask them to pick another topic or question.

Just wanted you to know I have been there 💐❤️

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posted July 18, 2015 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adding ....

As I saw the picture of angel above. I thought you know if I were in pain and needed answers and an angel were sitting next to me. You can bet I would be asking them a million questions. They would never turn me away, they would do everything they could to ease my pain. There would be no monetary cost simply the love they have for mankind to see everyone happy, loved and at peace.

If I were to strive to be like someone it would be them. When Gabriel spoke to me it was the most beautiful loving voice I have ever heard. Soft, tender, compassionate like a new mother talking to her new born child with do much love. Yet standing firm in what was being said like a command.
I choose to be beautiful like that and strive for it even if I do that through kind loving acts for others here on LL in the form of readings.

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posted July 18, 2015 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vesta:

I once read someone referring certain sitters as "not balanced". How is this not derogatory to a certain extent (even if the names were not disclosed)?

Some sitters, me included, come on LL for "comfort". What do I mean by "comfort"? Back when I had no money, no job, no friends, was heartbroken and I lived in a toxic environment, I had the chance to hope for a light at the end of the tunnel through the kind readings some of you gave me. I've always been very grateful for these readings and I always say so in the threads.

I wouldn't call myself "unbalanced" or whatever derogatory word some of you may use. I am lonely and I don't have a lot of people to turn to. I don't have a sane family to rely on or real friends to talk to when I'm down. I tend to bottle everything inside and LL helped me feel surrounded with great people even though my reality was anything but bright and shiny.

I have asked multiple questions about the same person. Yes, I did. Why? Because again, when you have no one to talk to about your struggles, you tend to dwell on the past a lot more and it takes you a lot more time to move on.


Thank you very much for sharing your story vest

I think efforts have to be made on both sides, that is a no-brainer.

Sometimes the obsession is so strong that one keeps asking the same question over and over again, only to get external validation. The truth of the matter is, no matter how many times you ask the same question, it is only up to the other person to come back or stay away. Asking the same question multiple times to different readers won't bring them back an it might end up confusing you even more.

I bought around 200$ of readings last year from supposed "trusted" readers on Bitwine. Every single one of them told me the person I was longing for would come back.

A year later, he hasn't been back. We haven't spoken, I haven't heard from him. Yet, during this entire year, I kept asking the same question to readers on here.

I am sorry I exhausted everyone with the same question about the same person when I could have given my seat to someone who needed it more or I could have asked self-empowering question.

It takes a lot of inner power to stop. It is a lot of internal work which some people are not always willing to do.

I also understand it is exhausting for readers to read on a question which has already been subjected to 10+ readings. They feel as though their energy is going down the drain for no valid reason.

I think sitters are not always aware that readers' are tired of being asked the same question. When someone is obsessed, they can't look beyond the answer to their question.

You're an incredible reader Vesta and I'm really grateful you took the time to share your story. Thank you very much for this.

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posted July 18, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vesta:
Adding ....

As I saw the picture of angel above. I thought you know if I were in pain and needed answers and an angel were sitting next to me. You can bet I would be asking them a million questions. They would never turn me away, they would do everything they could to ease my pain. There would be no monetary cost simply the love they have for mankind to see everyone happy, loved and at peace.

If I were to strive to be like someone it would be them. When Gabriel spoke to me it was the most beautiful loving voice I have ever heard. Soft, tender, compassionate like a new mother talking to her new born child with do much love. Yet standing firm in what was being said like a command.
I choose to be beautiful like that and strive for it even if I do that through kind loving acts for others here on LL in the form of readings.


Thank you very much for this!

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posted July 18, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked BellaFenice input on Proper reading etiquette as well. Have a nice day!

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posted July 18, 2015 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I liked BellaFenice input on Proper reading etiquette as well. Have a nice day!

I did send you an email to personally thank you for your post.

I had readings yesterday, so I will no be asking you for a reading at this stage.

Thank you very much for the generous offer Gemini. It was very nice of you.

I absolutely love the angel you posted

Have a nice day too!

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posted July 18, 2015 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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