posted May 27, 2002 09:29 PM         

I know better than to say I don't dream but I don't remember my dreams very often anymore. When I was young I used to dream all the time, matter of fact I used to need to "think" about something I "wanted" to dream about or I would have awful nightmares if I forgot to choose a pleasant topic.

As I got to my teens I often dreamed about things that would later happen. Not big important things, but things like everyday conversations ...and as they started happening I would remember. I would know who was going to say what, who would walk in the room in the middle, and I would remember having dreamed it. It got to be freaky, to me a little, but to the people around me alot. It's hard to be "different" at that age. People sometimes get very disturbed when you know things that you have no way of knowing. They don't like it much if you know their secrets.

I "think" that I "turned off the dreams, partly because I didn't want to be "different" but more because I had one dream that kept recurring that used to just scare the daylights out of me. Maybe if you can help me unravel it I can find my dreams again.

In the dream I am sleeping and I wake up. I was in my bed at home in my parents house. It is dark, but there is a red glow coming from all the objects around me. I get up and walk through the house. There is a pounding, a deep bass drum sounding like a heartbeat. All the "things" furniture, walls, everything gets larger and brighter then smaller and darker in time with the heartbeat, like they're breathing, and alive.
Every thing has that reddish haze, and I get more tense, feel more fear with every step. My chest feels so tight and the pressure build as I walk thru the house till it feels like it will explode ... then I would wake up with my heart pounding and breath heaving and so afraid to go back to sleep.

I don't remember ever getting through the house, it didn't seem to be a particular room that frightened me ... I don't know what I was so afraid of. It's been years and years since I had that dream but I can still remember that mind numbing fear. And I am still totally clueless as to what is was about. If any of you have any thoughts on this I would love to hear them. Thanks,

posted May 27, 2002 10:51 PM         

The colors, the "heartbeat" the breathing you describe all describe being connected to and attuned to the Divine, Primal Lifeforce.

Intuitively, you know the difference between "average" people and those Spiritually Centered and Awakened is acknowledgement of this Divine, Primal Energy and having one's Heart Chakra Opened.

If it is a choice of you living in fear of what others will think of you, or of others being afraid of you because you have Awakened and come into your Divine Power, is it not better to be Awakened?

My opinion - you are allowing yourself to live in fear and denial of your Divine Power; perhaps because of your compassion for others who are also shut down and in denial of their abilities.

You cannot allow this to continue. Spread your wings and BE ALL THAT YOU ARE! Stop looking over your shoulder! Take a deep breath - the Divine Breath of Life - then Exhale the fear and limitation holding you back. Open your Heart Chakra as wide as it will go, then dare to dream and be One with the Divine Lifeforce that you saw in your dream!!!

There is a real book with this title:
"Feel The Fear-- And Do It Anyway!" AMEN!

posted May 28, 2002 01:55 PM         

f4evercat - I must agree with Trinity's basic idea that you do have a latent connection with "Divine Power". Also that you MUST learn how to "spread your wings" because the ability that you innately possess can do much for your growth, not to mention the growth of those around you.

In my opinion, this was not a recurring dream. I believe it was a recurring OBE (Out of-Body-Experience). I believe that you were experiencing the moment just before the separation of the "close/dense" astral body and another, finer, more subtle astral body (we have many). The experience you describe has many indications of this, even on a symbolic level.

Although I felt immediately that this was an OBE, I wanted to look more closely at the symbols involved, just in case I was wrong and it was a dream message. It is funny about the symbology, because here it is rather reversed (as the astral is a mirror). The meanings for the symbols themselves seem to have been created from just this area of the altered state/astral as you were experiencing.

Dreaming that you have awakened is a perfect description of the astral body leaving the physical.

The red glow is a vibrational energy or state. This was the "frequency" with which you were "tuned", and thus aware of. All things vibrate with life energy, with fire - the basis for red symbology.

The drumming or the heartbeat sound fits this scenario perfectly! This particular beat is a reflection of your own heartbeat and a synchronization of your rythm and the rythm of this peculiar state. The drum beat has always been used in ceremonies, rites, chants, etc. in order to facilitate access to this altered state, to synchronize vibrations.

Does not one of Linda's color diets call for the combination of red light and drum based rythmic music? The two are forever conected.

Usually when we leave our bodies (at least for us beginners) we are unconscious of the actual moment of separation from the various astral bodies. Sometimes, however, we begin to become aware "prematurely", or we do not lapse into brief unconsciousness soon enough, and the results are most uncannily similar to your experience. There is the feeling of pressure - in the chest, or the head. There begins a panic of sorts, and this panic thoroughly feeds itself until our physical bodies wake us up because of heart-pounding and sweating and hard breathing.

It can be a vicious circle until you realize, consciously while "dreaming/OBEing", the true source of the terror ... yourself. The astral is what you make it - literally. The moment you begin to feel uncomfortable (because of the pressure, in your case) your mind will create a reason for it, and so shall it be. Everything is ruled by thought - and emotion.

The pressure, btw, is said to be caused when we exceed the distance of the influence of an astral body. It is the "cord" connecting us with our bodies that is exerting the pressure - connected at the solar plexus (or top of head). When we reach the limit, we either stay within it, trace ourselves back to the body or very near it, or we push ourselves out of it. The process of the actual separation is usually a momentarily unconscious affair. Some report being able to see one or two of their other astral bodies hovering at various distances from the body, awaiting their return and re-synthesis.

What you said about "knowing things" also ties in quite nicely with the whole scenario. This talent could have been a result of unconscious OBE travels (time is not a factor) and a subconscious remembering of them.

Anyway, I just want you to be aware that you are not alone in what you have perceived, and that if you wish to resurrect this ability, there are others who can guide you, and show you how to guide yourself. Do I feel a time loop? Perhaps you will meet yourself.

Gooberlily? I know she has some good advice!

Assuming any of this is correct (and even if it is not!), I am sending light!

What do you feel?

posted May 29, 2002 06:24 PM         

and RA ...
methinks you have a wonderful gift! what you said feels so ... right. I grew up in a family that wasn't very spiritually or psychically inclined. I think the "Spiritual Awakening" that you and Trinity both mentioned very aptly describes my early teens. All things occult fasinated me and read everything I could find. I also got involved in the church thing with some friends, and tho later I became disillusioned with the religion aspect I continued to read the bible. I never bought into all the religious thought that God and metaphysics was mutually exclusive. It all seemed to be pieces of the same pie to me. I've just always known that all things are connected but it wasn't till I was grown I found out there were others that felt that too.

At that age, OBE's were not something I had ever heard of. From the time I first heard about them tho' I have been completely fansinated and have many books about them. It's something I very much want to experience, but my experiments so far have yet to produce.

And you know the "falling" dream that so many people have? I didn't think to tell you but I used to have it alot during that time too. And ever since I first heard about OBE's I have associated the falling dream with the return to the body after being "out"

Everything you said describing an OBE fits the feeling so completely. The panic that feeds on itself ... ya know, all these years I've spent looking back at the "red dream", as I called it, I never could figure out WHAT was so scarry about it. During my attempts to "get my dreams back" I even tried telling myself to have the "red dream", thinking maybe I could "pick up where I left off" you know?

YES, YES!!! I would like to ressurect both ablilities and would appreciate any help anyone has to offer.

Except for last weekend when we were out camping I haven't had even a fragment of a dream I can remember for a loong time, but somewhere here in the house I have a dream notebook from when I was actively trying to get them back. I'll try and find it for you.
All that happened when we were camping was ... we were fishing and had set some bush hooks out before going to bed. Sometime before dawn while we were sleeping I saw the plastic bottle stand up, then disappear into the water. I said to my husband "you got something on the last bush hook". It must have woke him up cuz he said WHAT? I said " I just saw the bottle go down" about that time I realized my eyes were closed and it was still dark so I told him that I must've just drempt it. Sure enough when we checked the lines that morning when we got up that line had a big old carp on it ... but there was nothing on any of the others. What was strange about that tho was I was talking out loud and I didn't have the feeling of waking up at all.

Anyways, thank you Ra, and I will be happy to share my quest with you and share anything I can remember. I too, would love to hear Gooberlily's take on all this, I've not had the oppertunity to talk with her yet, and I love how she thinks.

posted May 30, 2002 03:06 AM         

That was awesome. Can u explain this pl-I mean for the past few days, I have been experiencing panic in my sleep.
It starts with a burning sensation in my back and then my chest. Then there is pressure and I get roused up with a bump. I get panicky then, and feel as if the walls and darkness are closing around me, it is an intensely claustrophobic experience. I then seem to be awake for the rest of the night, hearing my heart beats and noises of people talking-when there are none.
Have begun to doubt my sanity and am scared of sleeping now.

posted May 30, 2002 12:11 PM         

When I was a child, I never knew that I was dreaming. I would ask my parents something like "I was going to school, and suddenly I saw I was in my bed sleeping.." and they would explain, it is a dream. Dream? I used to wonder. In my waking life, I used to confuse the dreams with the 'reality'. I would re-member seeing a room in the house somewhere, but in 'reality' it wont be there. "So how did I see it?" Until I was six, I didn't solve the mystery that they were "dreams".

The red dream also it happened when I was 3 or 4 I think, for a long time I was wondering when it happened. Then after I "understood" dreams, I knew that must be a dream.

I would sometimes re-member talking to a lion (I am not lying, really) - I think it was sometime around 3, but I wouldn't know in 'real' life, when I did it. It was a big puzzle to me as a child.

Ofcourse, now I know.

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You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star

posted June 03, 2002 10:07 AM         

There are different experiences with OBEs, the majority of which one just finds oneself "out" somewhere. But sometimes we experience bits of the actual separation, which can be highly disconcerting. It feels like you are going to die.

If you can do it, deepen the feeling next time - really just let it take over, let it spread throughout the entire body. And know that nothing can truly harm you - nothing. See how far you can go with it - you may find yourself completely, and consciously out-of-body.

Let us know!

posted June 03, 2002 05:59 PM         

I've seen a couple of you posts but I don't believe I've had a chance to say hello properly yet so here it is

Nope, no smell that I can remember... it's been about 20 years since I last had that dream. Sun is in the earth sign taurus, I do have pluto rising in leo tho' ... not sure if that counts. Definately have more earth than fire ... fire signs wear me out, and to beat all I'm married to one.

raj ... cool, and you know, some people CAN talk to animals, and too it might have been a spirit guide.

Ra, no new dreams yet ... but my life been in turmoil and I'm getting very little sleep so that's to be expected. Haven't had a chance to look for that old dream journal yet, but I will.

Gooberlily ... Astral travel ... will you play guru for us?