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Topic: Vivid dreams on antidepressants
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HeartNova
Knowflake Posts: 214
From: The Far West
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted March 14, 2002 09:38 PM
 
Vivid lifelike dreams from taking SSRI anti-depressants could actually be caused by epileptic activity (seizures) in the forebrain, instead of (healthy, normal) R.E.M. sleep:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm (Examples of SSRI antidepressants: Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, etc).
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Princess
Knowflake Posts: 843
From: Milky Way
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted March 14, 2002 09:56 PM
Heartnova~ WoW ... That is veeeeeery interesting stuff there ... thank you very much for sharing it with me/us  I can't wait to share it with a few others I know.~Princess ------------------
"I think the Goddess lives in our humanity, and not anywhere else."
~Merlin's last words - to Viviann ~ . + * + . * . Mists of Avalon . + * + . * . ~ IP: Logged |
Spiritua
Knowflake Posts: 1474
From: Toronto
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted March 14, 2002 11:56 PM
I certainly find that information very...interesting. As you kNOW, I've been on antidepressants for quite a while. I've suspected that they were harmful for about 2 years. Now that I kNOW my emotional problems were caused by an unresolved past life, I'm unsure about what to do with the antidepressants. As much as I want to, I can't just drop them, because a huge and uncomfortable detox would take place. I can't stay on them, because my pineal gland is the most important part of my body. Please help me somehow. Thank you. I love you. IP: Logged |
Spiritua
Knowflake Posts: 1474
From: Toronto
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted March 15, 2002 12:22 AM
I've come to a decision. I am not going to take my antidepressants tonight. Tomorrow, I'll be going to York University's March Break Open House, so I won't be able to post. I will take the antidepressants that day to keep up appearances for my mom and dad who still think antidepressants are ideal. The day after tomorrow, I will post and tell you how I felt sleeping without the antidepressants. Please wish me lots of love. And, also, please send me lots of white light/lite. I'll give you love in advance. Did you feel that? Wonderful. So, I'll tell you how it went the day after tomorrow! IP: Logged |
Princess
Knowflake Posts: 843
From: Milky Way
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted March 15, 2002 10:41 AM
Spiritua~ I don't know what kind of antiD you take, but a friend of mine weaned herself slooowly from them with no problem whatever (detox) ... I think the *key* is to do it gradually, letting your detox symptoms be your guide; but I also think you should discuss this with a physician. I'd also print that article and take it with me when I did speak to him/her - with the *good stuff* hi-lited  Who knows, you might just make this person a better doctor - It's apparent whomever prescribed this medication needs some edification  Haha.. can you tell I'm ANTI ANTI-D ?  A book your folks might like to read is one called *Talking Back to Prozac* - I'm sure it saved my own son's life who had been EXPERIMENTED on (only word that fits) with antiD's by his doctors I'm certain he'd be happy to discuss his experience with you if you wanted. Let me know
~Princess
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"I think the Goddess lives in our humanity, and not anywhere else."
~Merlin's last words - to Viviann ~ . + * + . * . Mists of Avalon . + * + . * . ~
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HeartNova
Knowflake Posts: 214
From: The Far West
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted March 15, 2002 03:31 PM
I take Effexor and am ~very slowly~ cutting my self back on it, while I wait to get another doctor who will condone this. It gives me extremely vivid dreams, and I like the way it makes me feel, however, my pineal gland is suffering and my adrenaline system is failing from it!Also, a doctor has my teenage daughter on Paxil, and I hate what it's doing to her. It made her violent and edgy, and the doctor won't take her off it, so I got advice from another doctor to take her off it slowly. When I started to cut back my daughter's Paxil, she got mad and told her school, and they reported me to Social Services for "medical neglect" so I have to dig up any info I can on the dangers. IP: Logged |
Spiritua
Knowflake Posts: 1474
From: Toronto
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted March 15, 2002 10:12 PM
I no longer have any contact with the person who prescribed the medications. She works directly for the government in Washington now. You need to understand that when the medications were prescribed, I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about what anti-depressants could do. In fact, my psychiatrist at the time was EXTREMELY reluctant to prescribe them, but decided it could be okay because they SEEMED to have such a positive effect on my mom. This is where the story gets a little more complicated. My mom is totally convinced that the medications are good because I haven't shown her the article yet. She suffered a personal physical, mental and emotional trauma which necessitated some kind of healing. My mom did lots of research, and decided that anti-depressants were what she needed. My mom is an absolutely amazing, wonderful, beautiful human being even though she doesn't believe in spirituality. I noticed the way the anti-depressants made her feel. She seemed to be enjoying life more, even though she was exhausted 90% of the time. I have an extremely acute, emotional, sensitive nature which can be punctured by the slightest rejection. Before I took the anti-depressants, I realized I was miserable most of the time. If I go off the anti-depressants, I will have to return to that state and risk returning to my old, bitter self all over again. If I stay on the anti-depressants, I will feel wonderful physically, but deteriorate mentally. The all-important pineal gland is more important. (Yes, I kNOW that was a redundant sentence, but you kNOW what I meant.) My master plan is to be completely off anti-depressants eventually. However, to be frank, my violent, suicidal view on life before I took the antidepressants is scary. I had an "I-want-to-be-better-than-I-am-and-be-loved-by-everybody" syndrome. I have come up with a solution. I reMEMBER reading elsewhere that the Purple Plates are very good for people with chronic depression, so once I order the Purple Plates and receive them in the mail, 98% of the healing will be complete. What I need to do then is SLOWLY wean mysElf off the anti-depressants and be sure the Purple Plates are close by whenever I go without the anti-depressants. Soon, I will be able to live a full, complete, loving life without antidepressants as long as the Purple Plates are always around me. After a while, I will not even need the Purple Plates a lot except maybe once every half a year or so, because the aura of the purple plates becomes stronger in a person once they've been around them for certain periods of time. The only thing I need to do in order to reach that goal is save the money and stop getting tempted by things like video games and music CDs. I have faith that it will happen eventually. In fact, it's a necessary happening for my spiritual growth. Until then, I've developed a strategy that I ordain to neutralize the effects of the anti-depressants at least a little bit. Every time I swallow them, I think "CANCEL" extremely loud and clear. I have no idea if it really works, but at least it makes me more comfortable. The angels kNOW I will eventually work up enough discipline to save for the Purple Plates. It's all a matter of getting them before all my brain cells die (which is the only possible option anyway ) IP: Logged |
Spiritua
Knowflake Posts: 1474
From: Toronto
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted March 15, 2002 10:15 PM
Oh, and I had a wonderful sleep last night. It felt different, but familiar. I wasn't as comfortable, and time passed very slowly, but ultimately, I managed. IP: Logged |
JAH
Knowflake Posts: 24
From: mexico
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted March 16, 2002 07:15 PM
Thanks so much for this info....I have been on Paxil for a year-only taking 10mg right now....and weaning myself off it. I must say though, that it was a life saver since panic attacks were inhibiting me from living! I have always been a vivid dreamer-with or without the Paxil-one thing I can say is that I no jump out of bed and run around the house in a panic from a nightmare while in a dream state since I have been taking it......I don't know......modern medicine is a blessing.......but then again, I'm a Libra and go back and forth....back and forth......ha!IP: Logged |
JAH
Knowflake Posts: 24
From: mexico
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted March 17, 2002 07:04 PM
Found this website! It helped me to read this; hope it helps all of you too! http://www.healingpanic.com/index.html
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drivinghome1966
Knowflake Posts: 91
From: Temecula, Ca USA
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted March 30, 2002 02:13 AM
My history with depression started me on impramine which induced wildly vivid waking dreams, for years until prozac came out. Prozac only made me more hyper than I already was. Didn't notice dips in blood sugar until I started taking paxil, but being fairly hypoglycemic naturally anyway didn't make me think much about that.
The mini seizures or "brain buzzes" as I call them bother me greatly.
I have concluded that chemical imbalance or not, there is something or some things in my life that I am not consciously or subconsciously taking responsibility for. And anyway, clinical depression, in my case, is secondary to ADHD that I never "grew out of" as a child. The inability to concentrate and focus and even to just sit still causes chaos within me and thus depression.
I am presently on effexor, which is working well for now, until I start treatment again for the ADHD.IP: Logged |
Venera
Knowflake Posts: 90
From: berlin, germany
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted March 30, 2002 06:25 AM
I refused taking antidepressants, but always had vivid dreams, which I can recall almost ever from the beginning till the end. never suffered from epilepcy though 
I refused taking antidepressants, cause I knew they only make things worse on the long run, unless there is a chemical brain damage.
I felt quite a few times sorry, in my darkest moments, that i refused them. Otherwise I`m really happy I did.
Dear Spiritua, I`m so happy you started realizng that antidepressants are an artificial solution to our problems, therefore it can`t be real. More, they cause real damage after a while, most of them are addictive and the others are not prooved enough to be harmless..I personaly believe, that there is no such thing as a harmless antidepressiva.
You have great courage, dear Spiritua and I wish you with all my heart that you successed the fight of winning back your self. I can imagine the fear of being sick and weak and depressive...this is how I am most of the time still , and how much courage does it take to face it and work on it. I think it`s just amazing what you started, and believe me, there is a way out there- it´s Love. Love heals and although slow, it is complete and it is real. I send you all my Love, to you and to you Mom and I`ll be glad to hear more from you soon.LOVE AND LIGHT
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Ra
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Registered: Apr 2001
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posted March 30, 2002 11:42 AM
Venera, there is something very familiar about you, or maybe it is the name. Have you visited here in the years past?  IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 30, 2002 11:21 PM
I too have dealt with having chronic depression and major depressive episodes, and the medication that many times goes along with it. It started when I was about 11 or 12 years old. I could not attend regular school due to my depression and irregular sleep patterns from the ages of 12 to 17, and I graduated high school off of home instruction. I had four hospitalizations and three suicide attempts by the age of 22, my first suicide attempt was at the age of 14, all attempts were made by swallowing excessive amounts of pills that were prescribed to help me. My family doctor thought I had separation anxiety disorder and put me on Buspar when I was 13, taking blood for tests to see if I had Epstein Barr. The medication did nothing. Our family therapist the following year put me on Zoloft. Nothing. A new psychiatrist from the Upper East Side put me on Anafranil and thought the supposed separation anxiety disorder morphed into Agoraphobia and general anxiety on top of depression. Felt good for a day, then nothing. Several other doctors put me on other anti-depressants which required blood levels to be taken every week. Nothing. A new psychiatrist on the Upper West Side brought me with her to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital for tests. After I spent two hours lying on a hospital bed with electrodes stuck to my head, they said I had a chemical/hormonal/neurological imbalance. I apparently also had minor seizures which weren't noticeable but altered my brain chemistry on a semi-regular basis. She put me on Prozac for two years and Diphenhydramine so I could sleep. I never noticed a difference, though my mom said I was happier during that medicated period. Unfortunately while on Prozac it did make me a little hyper at times (like you mentioned Driving), and when I lost my temper I did very destructive things to my surroundings...never hurt myself or anyone around me, but I beat up the walls pretty badly for a "demure" teenage girl. I had a lot of uncontrollable rage at that age. Prozac wasn't doing the job eventually, so my doctor put me on Xanax. Nothing. See a pattern here? Eventually I stopped taking anti-depressants and seeing doctors around the age of 18. It wasn't hard for me to go off the meds, because they never did anything in the first place for me My mother was on Valium at one point, and my family doctor prescribed some Buspar for her for a while, now she has Wellburtin. My father is supposed to be taking his schizophrenia medication Seroquel, and his Obsessive/Compulsive/Depression meds Zoloft...but he's not. He was also prescribed Prozac for a long time. His sister has been on Prozac for at least seven years, and swears it's the only way she can function. Her daughter, my first cousin, is also on Prozac and recently had a bad episode when she tried to go off it when she became pregnant. I believe she's still on another anti-depressant during her pregnancy, but I don't know which one.
While on certain medications I do know my dreams were more vivid, and many times disturbing. IP: Logged |
Venera
Knowflake Posts: 90
From: berlin, germany
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted March 31, 2002 05:21 AM
dear gooberlily, I`m so sorry about your family. It is almost imposible to break free if we have such a huge genetic history of antidepressants usage. therefore it is a tremendeous step forward which you took to drop the medicaments.  you are in my prayers. dear Ra, on this site I`m quite a noobie, but i visited the official site for some years now, although not regularly. perhaps you know me from there? or perhaps my name which includes "RA" sounds familliar to you? it`s the roman version of "Venus" and it`s my real name.
Venera
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gooberlily
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From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 01, 2002 12:19 PM
Venera, I too felt as if I heard your name before! Perhaps there was someone here a while back who used the name Venera? Anywho, wonderful to have you with us Venera  IP: Logged | |
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