posted April 22, 2004 01:29 PM            

DUDE, WHERE'S YOUR WEBSITE: MICHAEL MOORE OUT-SOURCING DESIGN, SERVER TO CANADA!

Advocate Michael Moore may have released a book titled DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?, and may have vaulted to stardom documenting worker's rights and corporate malfeasance in Flint, Michigan, but that has not stopped Moore from outsourcing his website design and servers -- to companies based in Canada!

Cannes-bound Moore, the great protector of the U.S. working class, has outsourced the design of his Web site to a foreign company in Canada, records show.

PLANK -- based in Montréal, Québec -- is the development and design company behind MichaelMoore.com.

Meanwhile, Moore's site is hosted by a foreign owned company, Webcore Labs, of Calgary, Alberta Canada. [Webcore does maintain an office in Beverly Hills, CA.]

Moore did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Moore is to get star billing at this year's Cannes Film Festival with the controversial FAHRENHEIT 9/11.

**I guess this is where people say: Well, Canada is close enough to the US....**** LOL

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posted April 22, 2004 01:34 PM            

The silence is defeaning...

I detest Mr. Moore, so with that said, I'll just stop at: LMAO....

posted April 22, 2004 07:03 PM            

So, who's the most liberal Senator from Massachusetts who's wetting himself over outsourcing?

Hint---he's the hypocritical gigolo living in the lap of luxury off the fortune of another man. He divorced his first wife but after all, she was only worth 300 million so he set his sights higher and married a woman worth 700 million or so. Movin on up! Wonder who's next in this hypocrites quest for the ultimate woman?

Problem is, the H. J. Heinz Co. outsources about 70% of their production off America's fair shores.

Couldn't agree more about Michael Moore, the college dropout/domestic/foreign policy expert who lives in penthouse splendor, champions the cause of the "little person" then gives the jobs to foreign workers.

posted April 23, 2004 11:01 AM            

Nevertheless, this is part of a bio on Moore I found.

Michael Moore
Vital Stats:
Birth Name: Michael Moore
Birth Place: Davison, Michigan

However TINK, since Moore lives in the US, makes his money in the US, directs his bile at the US, ridicules US corporations who outsource work, wrote a book "Downsize This" and coined the phrase "outsourse yourself", referring to US corporate executives and alleges to champion the cause of American workers, it seems entirely appropriate to point to and heap ridicule on his hypocrisy when he outsources work himself.

Would you agree?

posted April 23, 2004 01:14 PM            

Randall, so it is just the money then? That's sad. It would be nice if people who profess their ideas like he does actually followed their own advice.

jwhop, it seems like hypocrisy to me.

I guess I just find it hard to believe that someone could be that hypocritical. I like giving the benefit of the doubt ... although sometimes that doesn't always pan out to a positive conclusion and the doubt is left dangling in mid-air.

posted April 23, 2004 02:15 PM            

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Attacking the person instead of the message is not a valid argument against the case he makes.p.s. welcome back jwhop, i missed ya

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You mean attacking President Bush---he's the antichrist, he's stupid, he's corrupt, he's a murderer, he's a puppet, etc., without stating anything specifically factual, is NOT a valid argument? You mean that just because someone is alive and breathing the same air, it isn't OK to attack them with lying arguments?

So Harpyr, specifically, which one of Michael Moore's positions would you like me to attack? I mean, side from his supremely hypocritical positions.

Ummmm, careful Harpyr, attacking Michael Moore for hypocricsy might get you branded a closet conservative in some circles.

jwhop

posted April 23, 2004 05:21 PM            

I notice when I do present some convincing evidence that, say, he doesn't care about the middle class all I get is stonewall silence from some folks around here.. perhaps I will bring up the thread I have specifically in mind since I posted in in your absence, jwhop.

Have you seen "Roger and Me"? I wish I had taken notes on it so I could post more specifically the points of it I would like to bring up. I'll have to re-rent it soon.

moi? a closet conservative?
I must admit I was kinda freaked out when I read an article in the Boulder Weekly (liberal rag) about "The New Radicals", the growing right wing radical campus movement. I found myself agreeing with some of what they said.. But me turn into a fervent capitalist? That would the day..

posted April 24, 2004 01:18 PM            

On balance, I doubt anyone is going to mistake you for a "fervent Capitalist". Your comment seems to indicate you agree that the great liberal notion of diversity of opinion and free speech should also extend to University campuses.

I've seen Michael Moore several times on TV. It wouldn't be safe for me to go to his movies. I'd hate to throw up on some poor innocent and unsuspecting person sitting in front of me.

When you get your economic system worked out, let me know if there's any reason a person would risk their capital to start a business or even to do a good job at work.

TINK, your point about Rush is well taken. However I draw a distinction between prescription drugs, used for the legal purpose for which they were intended and others.

Within that context, what would you say about these drugs? Do you believe they are equivalent to prescription pain medications? Or that taking prescription pain killers is equivalent to using, say crack cocaine? If you do, and also think people take illegal drugs for pain relief, don't you think a prescription pain medication would be a whole lot less expensive and less addictive than these illegal drugs?
Crack
Cocaine
Heroin
Marijuana
Peyote
Hash

I think Rush is in the process of getting smaller than his britches.

jwhop

posted April 24, 2004 02:47 PM            

Check that link out for a little information on the possible abuse of legal drugs. There are many legal drugs that, when used in excess, are highly addictive and/or habit forming and equally destructive to all aspects of a person's life. I simply adore Judy Garland, but I cannot deny that she had a very serious (legal) drug problem which subsequently lead to her very early death.
It's true that there are different strokes for different folks. However, it concerns me when people express the notion that legal drugs are not also dangerous. I think the intent, with most prescription drugs, is most important in considering whether or not it is being abused. The danger lies in the fact that some people believe that, since the drugs are legal, then it doesn't really count as a "drug problem". I'm not saying illegal drugs are not dangerous, I'm just saying that, as with anything else, excess is detrimental to your health whether the drugs you are on are legal or illegal.

posted April 24, 2004 03:10 PM            

I think equating marijuana with crack and heroin is absolutely absurd, aside from the fact that they are both illegal. If pot is illegal then alcohol should be illegal and we all know how well that went when we tried it last. But this is rather getting away from the topic at hand.

Oxy brings up a crucial point on the matter of outsourcing. Perhaps the reason companies here are 'forced' to outsource has somthing to do with how relatively little the feds fund education. We spend somting like 80 X more on military than the next highest spender. I'd bet much of the reason a place like India is becoming getting so much farther ahead of us in this area is because education is the number one spendature of their gov't. (please don't ask me where i heard that.. i've forgotton. feel free to correct me if i'm mistaken tho. )

posted April 24, 2004 03:19 PM            

I'm actually against outsourcing, but it is an inevitable outcome of globalization and the fact that it just costs a whole lot to employ an American. The more our quality of living rises, the more it costs to maintain that, the more we need to make, the more it costs to employ us, the less profit they make.

What I'm trying to say, is that in some cases, IMO the cause of outsourcing is directly related to the greed of the US workers. The problem is, in some markets, you need an ungodly income to just get by - but when people in Iowa demand the same as a high tech worker in Manhattan in their company gets (with no concept of cost of living relativism), it no longer becomes feasible to use US workers.

However, the amount of money Michael Moore likely saved offshoring his website is negligible compared to the amount of money Sun Microsystems saves offshoring all its databases and db tech folk. Plus, Sun Microsystems reps aren't out there screaming bloody murder about offshoring like Mr. Moore is.

posted April 24, 2004 03:23 PM            

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IMO the cause of outsourcing is directly related to the greed of the US workers.

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posted April 24, 2004 03:34 PM            

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The more our quality of living rises, the more it costs to maintain that, the more we need to make, the more it costs to employ us, the less profit they make.

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posted April 25, 2004 01:26 AM            

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As far as outsourcing is concerned, most people just want to save as much money as they can. *I don't think it's right, but I can see how it must be very difficult to run a business without doing so sometimes. BTW, do any other countries "outsource" to us? I'm not trying to be smartbooty with that question ... seriously. I think greed can be a factor on any side of a situation/problem when it comes to money and making a profit, which is sad. And I don't mean just wanting to make a decent living ... I mean doing so regardless of your actions and decisions and their effects on those that you affect, directly and indirectly. I am not saying that all people do this ... just that the possibility is there.

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*outsourcing, not just saving money in general.

posted April 25, 2004 02:36 PM            

I've heard some say that if you can write your job down in detailed instructions for anyone to do, than it's in jeapordy of being outsourced (in the tech world). Jobs that involve the human factor (decision making, analyzation, etc) will be secure.

I've heard Robin Williams bit about pot, and I think another comedian did a famous bit about pot causing carpentry (and advanced bong design)...lol. While I don't promote the use of weed, I do view it as much less destructive than alcohol and script painkillers (which is often essentially no different from being a "heroin addict lite", since many painkillers are derivatives of the opium poppy, from which heroin is made.)

You know Eleanore, even though you and I don't always see eye to eye, I think you do a pretty good job of getting your opinions across in a pretty benign fashion, thus enabling those who are paying attn to get what it is you're trying to say, even if they don't agree w/ it, you make your views well understood. I respect that, and I enjoy reading what you have to say.

posted April 25, 2004 05:14 PM            

Thanks for the answers about outsourcing to the US ... I really didn't know it happened so that's why I asked. Well, at least the jobs with a necessary "human factor" are not being outsourced. Do you think there is a way to change the need for the outsourcing of other kinds of jobs from the US to other countries?