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Topic: GU being discussed in FFA - It seems we're being portrayed as racists
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Eleanore
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From: Okinawa, Japan
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 25, 2006 06:38 PM
  
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/006900.html
You can argue I'm creating drama if you'd like. I personally don't see why the people being discussed, directly or indirectly, should not be aware of the discussion and I know some of us don't always make it outside of GU.
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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 25, 2006 06:58 PM
I am asking for it to be moved into this Forum.DayDreamer her multiple usernames (or friends) are starting to slander other people here and it is getting old. Since she can't seem to bash people down by calling them ignorant, stupid racists here - she decided to take it to another forum. Keep in mind - she can't seem to quite figure out what the term racist actually means. I think it is one thing to get into an argument here, but when someone takes things to other forums and starts making heinous allegations- it can tarnish a person's reputation. Newbies see it and automatically think "OMG.. the Webmaster is tolerating Pidaua being a racist" This is getting quite old and whereas we could all argue, sometimes leave etc.. I have never seen one of us Knowflakes take something to that extreme. This is rare and a form of defamation of character.
Something needs to be done.
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lotusheartone
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posted August 25, 2006 07:07 PM
Yes..this NOnSense has to stop. ...God knows everything we do... . breaking Universal Laws..is going against God..
Deceptions and lies need to STOP! IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted August 25, 2006 08:51 PM
Pid, you are many things  but I don't for a minute believe racist is one of them.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 25, 2006 10:58 PM
 amusing....Islama-fascists can declare a jihad on all non-Muslims, and pursue their goal of wiping Israel off the map, then converting or killing the rest of us. That's perfectly fine. But for a Westerner to express strong objections to this school of thought is "racist". Okey Dokey then.  IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted August 26, 2006 02:37 AM
Yeah, I agree, Pidaua, the slandering and bashing of other people is getting quite old and I do believe that is probably what prompted that post at FFA. Why should it be moved here? Free For All is just what it says, you can talk about anything you want there. All DD is doing here at GU is trying to present the Muslim viewpoint of what is going on the Middle East. I do not think that her religion should be attacked or that she should be attacked just for trying to inform people about her religion and the views of her people so that you can see it is not the religion itself but fanatics within the religion. Christianity has it's fanatics as well. Think of Jim Jones and David Kaurech in Waco. Think of the militia in the U.S. and the Ku Klux Klan. This country has it's fanatics too. The terrorist fundamentalists do not represent their religion as a whole or the Muslim people as a whole. Terrorists are fanatics. All countries and all religions have them. Lioneye, that is an extreme statement. It was attacking her religion that she called you a racist for, not for being against terrorists. I know that DD has told you guys repeatedly that she does not support terrorism. Knowing the root causes of terrorism does not mean that you support it. Only an extremist would think otherwise. Playing semantics with the word racist does not alter the truth either. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 26, 2006 03:18 AM
Oh for God sake.The Muslim people are not to blame. The crazy rulers are. The average joe doesn't have any effect over who rules them, and women have no say at all. That's why the laws put so much of the moral burdons on women. Men are too arrogant and selfish to take any moral responsibility for theirselves, so they rule that women (and girls) are to blame for all their deviations. They don't want anything to threaten this sweet little deal they have going on. They defend it by contorting the words or the Koran. I'm not afraid to say that this sickens me. This is not racist for pete sake. It's logical. Men are pigs, if you let them get away with it. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 95
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posted August 26, 2006 01:40 PM
I dunno Lioneye I think you're being pretty sexist. Not all men are pigs, neither are all women bitches. There are some people who are just mislead or have fallen into destructive cultural values. You can't generalize about any gender, race, ethnicity, there will alwasy be positive, spiritually evolved people, and then there will be some others who are have been lead astray or haven't developed higher consciousness yet. Some cultural values are more pervasive than others, and some cultural values are forced more strongly on the people than others. Often times there's no one to be blamed, and its just a matter of trying to respect and hope that things improve. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted August 26, 2006 01:42 PM
BlueRoamer  you are amazing!IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 26, 2006 01:57 PM
I'm not sexist. The Shari'a laws toward women and sexuality are sexist. I'm just calling a spade a spade. All the moral burdons are put upon women, very little are put upon the men. It takes 2 people to have sex, but the laws always rule that the female has committed a crime against morality. When a woman/girl is raped, it's impossible for her to prove it. She has to have 4 "pious" men as witnesses to prove it. There is no age limit for sex with females, so if a girl child is raped, justice is impossible. The female is shamed, and often punished by death. Adding insult to injury is an understatement! Mind you, the law is that nobody under the age of 18 is to be executed. So, sometimes they just incarcerate them until they turn 18, then execute them. If that's not sexist, I don't know what is. Since females are not even allowed to vote, there's little hope of these laws being reformed either. It's not racist to relay what I've read about extremists interpretation of Shari'a
Law. If someone finds it offensive, don't shoot the messenger. I guess some think it's disrespectful to even talk about it. Why? Because it is so obviously wrong to reasonable people? That's like "It's not nice to talk about child abuse, because we can't stomache it. So lets just pretend it doesn't happen". Whether it's right or wrong is a non-issue. We just shouldn't speak of it at all. Well, thank God we did start talking about it, and brought it out into the light, because that brought about changes in the way we respond to it as a society, and enacted laws that protect children from abuse. We can't just sweep injuctices under the rug because they're too unpleasant to talk about. What good does that do?
*Edit: I mispoke. Seems the minimum age for sex with a female is 9.
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BlueRoamer
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posted August 26, 2006 04:03 PM
I agree with what you've said. There is a lot of sexism in the muslim world, but there's also a lot of sexism in our world, and making sweeping statements that all men are pigs doesn't help. Of course you're free to believe what you want, but all men are not pigs. This issue definitely shouldn't be swept under the carpet, and its good to be outraged, but there's also a lot to be outraged about in this country, where you could possibly have a lot more influence to change things. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted August 26, 2006 04:12 PM
Ok, I apologize. Not all men are pigs. Just the unelightened ones - the ones who act and think like pigs.But, I think most men will agree, many men are pigs. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted August 26, 2006 06:24 PM
Well said BlueRoamer!!IP: Logged | |
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