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pidaua
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posted June 28, 2007 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Putin's Arctic invasion: Russia lays claim to the North Pole - and all its gas, oil, and diamonds
Last updated at 00:37am on 29th June 2007

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is making an astonishing bid to grab a vast chunk of the Arctic - so he can tap its vast potential oil, gas and mineral wealth.


His scientists claim an underwater ridge near the North Pole is really part of Russia's continental shelf.

One newspaper printed a map of the "new addition", a triangle five times the size of Britain with twice as much oil as Saudi Arabia

The dramatic move provoked an international outcry. The U.S. and Canada expressed shock and environment campaigners said it would be a disaster.

Observers say the move is typical of Putin's muscle-flexing as he tries to increase Russian power.

Under current international law, the countries ringing the Arctic - -Russia, Canada, the U.S., Norway, and Denmark (which owns Greenland) - are limited to a 200-mile economic zone around their coasts

UN convention says none can claim jurisdiction over the Arctic seabed because the geological structure does not match the surrounding continental shelves.

But Russian scientists have returned from a six-week mission on a nuclear ice-breaker to claim that the 1,220-mile long underwater Lomonosov Ridge is geologically linked to the Siberian continental platform - and similar in structure.

The region is currently administered by the International Seabed Authority but this is now being challenged by Moscow.

Experts estimate the ridge has ten billion tons of gas and oil deposits and significant sources of diamonds, gold, tin, manganese, nickel, lead and platinum.

A Russian attempt to claim Arctic territory was rejected five years ago, but this time Moscow plans to make a far more serious submission to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. A British diplomatic source warned

that Russia was planning to secure its grip on oil and gas supplies "for decades to come".

He said: "Putin wants a strong Russia, and Western dependence on it for oil and gas supplies is a key part of his strategy. He no longer cares if it upsets the West."

The U.S. state department said the Russian claim was completely unacceptable. "It's an extraordinary idea and I can't believe it will go anywhere," an official said.

A Canadian official called the move a complete surprise.

Green groups warned that the Kremlin claim could devastate one of the world's last unspoilt areas.

John Sauven, director of Greenpeace UK, said: "We think nations should stop searching for new sources of fossil fuel and focus instead on the alternatives - renewables, energy efficiency and decentralised energy systems.

"Only then will disputes over natural resources become a thing of the past."

Ted Nield, of the Geological Society in London, branded Russia's claim nonsensical.

"The notion that geological structures can somehow dictate ownership is deeply peculiar," he said.

"Anyway, the Lomonosov Ridge is not part of a continental shelf - it is the point at which two ocean floor plates under the Arctic Ocean are spreading apart.

"It extends from Russia across to Canada, which means Canada could use the same argument and say the ridge is part of the Canadian shelf.

"If you take that to its logical conclusion, Canada could claim Russia and the whole of Eurasia as its own."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=464921&in_page_id=1811

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posted June 28, 2007 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLARGH

What is the world coming to? ~ Pid.

I wonder that myself regularly. I wonder what is life going to be like for my children when they are my age. I wonder if there will be drinkable water, breatheable air, trees, flowers, bugs, other life...and I start to feel down. Then I look out of my window and watch the chickens scratching in the dirt, and the joyful faces of my children running, loving, laughing, and enjoying life NOW, and I resolve to be more like them.

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posted June 29, 2007 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is this any different than the US making claim to Iraq's oil?

At least the arctic isn't a sovereign nation full of innocents.

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posted June 29, 2007 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... don't see how the two are similar since we have not benefited from the oil.

But everyone has their own opinion huh BR.... especially when one has been trying to goad me into an argument since the FFA thread.

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posted June 29, 2007 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BR is right. As crazy as Putin is for this (I mean, first the moon and now this??!) I don't see it as being any different from the U.S. damn near monopolizing Middle Eastern oil (thus backing some gov'ts and throwing out other gov'ts because of the fact).

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posted June 29, 2007 09:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is ridiculous. the north pole, antartica or whatever its called, is supposed to be the only land where humans don't have hold of, thats the beauty, and mystery of it. Putin is shameful, as always.

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posted June 29, 2007 09:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Russia claims this, America claims that, Germany claims something else, India claims whatsoever, Australia claims another piece, England claims yet another piece, Brazil claims some other stuff......

So, what is left for Humans?

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posted June 29, 2007 10:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But what about the seals and polar bears...they should get a say in how their land is used I think.

Did you guys read about the chimpanzee who wants immancipation? In Germany someplace in a zoo I think.

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posted June 29, 2007 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Animals taking over Animal Rights Activism, eh? It is high time, though!

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posted June 29, 2007 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I remembered incorrectly. Here's the link to the article.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/235735/person_status_sought_for_chimpanzee.html

Still interesting anyhow.

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posted June 29, 2007 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes me wonder who the true animal is! 'duh!

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posted June 29, 2007 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just because I disagree with all of your beliefs, Pid, does not mean I'm trying to goad you into an argument. Much like HSC, I would really rather not hear the conservative perspective, I don't think it has any basis in reality or in good ethics.

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posted June 30, 2007 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still waiting for a leftist twit to provide one particle of proof the US is stealing, appropriating or otherwise making off with Iraqi oil..or intends to do so. So, when is someone who has that opinion going to provide even that one particle of proof?

In the past, I posted figures...indisputable figures that the cost of the Iraq war...just in terms of money spent would mean it would take more than 20 years to pay just the costs of the war to the United States if we took every drop of oil Iraq produced...every single drop. We haven't taken a drop of Iraqi oil. Their oil is sold by the Iraqi oil ministry to whomever they want to sell to...at world market prices. Neither does the money for their oil sales pass through American hands...either American government hands...or American oil company hands.

Therefore, this whole line of argument..that America went to war to steal Iraqi oil is total bullshiiit...bullshiiit, the stock in trade of leftists!.

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