posted September 21, 2003 08:35 PM         

Very Scary,
Dean.

posted September 22, 2003 08:10 PM         

You focus on leaving your body, but since I have explored more of this, you would also have to protect your prone body as this is the ideal time for other entities to inhabit it.

Personally the best thing a person can do is learn to meditate adeptly and after that is accomplished then move on to astral projection. When you can commune with your own god within, then you could ask about a safe way to do it, or even asking your subconscious for a way through the dream world.

The astral is the part of ourselves that deals with pain registration-which goes to explain even though we have nerve endings all over our body, a persons body that is heavily saturated with alcohol or drugs feels no pain. The astral has been forced out of the body, making it easy for other entities to take over. There are some people that say 70-100% of schizophrenia is the result of possession.

posted September 24, 2003 08:50 AM         

And phooey. If someone told me something like that,I would just consider it totally irrelevent. You do not need to take drugs in order to astral travel.
Here's a link to a site that exlains how to astral travel. http://www.thiaoouba.com/astr.htm

posted September 25, 2003 04:00 AM         

I have had OBEs while under the influence of various drugs, and also while perfectly clean. There is no substitute for having an OBE with all of your senses intact - it is safer, and much more profound that way.

Have fun, moondreamer!

We will be looking forward to an update, and I would be curious as to the method/s you tried.

posted September 26, 2003 03:57 AM         

I read the method described on the website ... not bad! It is very similar to a method I use.

As a variation, try this:

Before closing your eyes, look around at your surroundings, look at the details. Then, with eyes closed and in as relaxed a state as you can manage, visualize your surroundings. See yourself lying there. Imagine that you are floating just above your body, imagine the surroundings. See yourself as two, one on the bed, and the other floating just above. Visualize your body floating above you, imagine what it looks like from the back. Shift your imaginings from the you-on-the-bed to the you-floating-above, and back again. Imagine what the room looks like from both vantage points.

At some point in switching back and forth, you may actually induce a real OBE, and you will know the difference between an OBE and your imagination.

Good luck!

I recall vividly doing just this thing, going back and forth, back and forth, when I suddenly realized that I was seeing everything around me, 360 degrees, all at once! THAT was a very strange sensation!

posted November 28, 2003 06:40 PM         

Good luck in your experiments, & your experiences!

posted December 01, 2003 10:03 PM         

And it was pretty incredible

posted December 04, 2003 06:24 PM         

Astral travel is in fact an extremely powerful version of remote viewing. you are not so much "leaving" you body, as expading you perception outwards until you are tapped into the perception of your higher self, which perceives all at once. You then refocus your perception on the remote location where you wish to travel. I am suggesting that astral travel is like looking through the view finder on a camcorder and zooming all the way in. During our normal day to day routine, we are zoomed in on our own physical area, but zoom out and zoom in on another area and you don't even have to move, simply shift your focus, right? I would state that astral projection works in this way. Our mind/soul/higher self perceive all things, and in our normal day to day activites we are simple focused on our immediate physical surroundings. But we maintain a subconsious knowledge of what is going on outside of that area. All you have to do is zoom out, and back in on the remote location. So the fears about leaving the body or not getting back, or having someone else try to inhabit it while you are gone, are unfounded. Just like if you are focused on something with a camera, if someone else tries to take the camera, you will know about it as soon as they try, same with your body, if anything happens your focus will instantly snap back. This is perhaps what makes astral travel so difficult. things are constantly happening around the body, and so we constantly get pulled back to deal with it. The key is in convincing the percesption to ingnore insignificant disturbances like a fly buzzing or the like, and only pull back if something more significant happens.

Once you get good at astral travel, you may even notice that you hear thing that happen around you body as well as where you are focusing, which can be disconcerting at first, but is relatively easy to learn to deal with. This only further enforces what I am saying. With much practice, I believe that one can even begin to focus on both locations simultaneously, therby allowing awarness of things around the body and wherever you wish to focus, though probably are diminished clarity.

And yes, in case you are wondering I have traveled astrally before, I have even visited my girlfriend in her dream state. She is the only one I have even been able to make my presence known in a dream state, though she is also the only one who has made a joint decision to try to meet in a dream, or astral travel state, and I feel this is the only reason I could reach her, because she allowed it.

posted December 20, 2003 05:04 AM         

we had to do some kind of meditation in school and we had to lie down, i was soo bored and i wanted to see what was happening, on the other side of the hall, so i imagined that there were two of me, and got the other one of me to fly over nad see what was happening...it wasnt a real OBE, but it was pretty cool.