posted October 26, 2004 01:38 AM         

Why am I born this way?

Why not? In situations where people go through "uncomfortable" situations I think the karma must mean you have been comfortable, now you simply want to experience the opposite. So to speak. I'm not saying you shouldn't be comfortable in your present existence, I'm just saying as an analogy. I mean, Why am I born as I am? All people are born for the experiences they wish to live.

What would god view on this topic?

She would Love you unconditionally. God is NOT a fearful creator. As said in Conversations with God, if we are inherently evil, then why is it our instinct to save people from drowning or falling? We are from God, and like God, are Love. Love is all.

What is my Karma?

Now, Karma is a double edged sword. On one hand you could say "Lessons for the future" on the ohter "rewards/punishment from the past" however, ultimately You Are Who You Are regardless of Who You Are Not. If you don't like a thing, don't do it. Become the opposite. Gulit is an indication of Who You Are Not. But in the face of Society, maybe you are Not Society. Therefore the Guilt is projected from Society. If Society was Loving, then you would probably not have guilt. My point is Karma is the process of understaning Who You Are by sometimes learning Who You Are Not.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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I think, therefore I thank...

posted October 26, 2004 02:51 AM         

I know someone who claims they're in their 22nd reading! Far out.

posted October 26, 2004 08:03 AM         

"Reversal of Roles". In your previous lifes, you would have tempted someone, or made fun of a eunuch or even been a abuser. Well only you can imagine.

In this life or next, it will come again until and again unless you come to terms with it and rectify what went wrong earlier.

On a gross level, there is a man in every woman and a woman in every man. It may be that one's feminine side is attracted to the other's masculinity and vice versa.

GOD would always love you no matter what. Question is since you are his child: Is what you are doing really bringing you happiness? Step 50 years in to the future and ask yourself that question.

posted October 27, 2004 09:42 PM         

And remember...thou art God/dess.

Being gay is not punishment for a previous life, if you subscribe to the whole linear time thing. Being gay is an experience that you decided to enjoy in this lifetime. So enjoy. Be Well. Love Well.

posted October 27, 2004 09:50 PM         

Biologically a V was made for P and vice versa. Ana_ xCourse brings so many diseases. You must look at intenstine of some gays. Its rotten. There are much horror stories.
Browse on internet for some of the diseases prevalent.

I think we must have self-control over sex, gay or str8.

Also, Eunuchs born by will of God have a special place in Gods heart. They are more blessed than men.

ALSO THE SCRIPTURES DO NOT TELL CLEARLY IF HOMOSEXUALITY IS TO BE ABHORRED.

If it was not important enough to mention; homosexuality, could not have been considered a barrier to one's moral and spiritual development.

posted October 27, 2004 11:07 PM         

quote:

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(Koran 4:16)
If two men among you is guilty of lewdness, punish
them both...

(Koran 27:55)
Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather
than Women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!

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Now the verses below are in clear contradiction of the above verses.

quote:

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(Koran 52:24)
Round about them will serve, to them, boys
(handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

(Koran 56:17)
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness.

(Koran 76:19)
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual
freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think
them scattered pearls.

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The last three seems to be reward for men in heaven? Wonder if these are angels? Well I could only imagine.

The bible says this:

quote:

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Leviticus 18:22

Do not lie with a man as one lies
with a woman; that is detestable.

Romans 1:26,27

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations
with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.
Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

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One may find deep love between David and Jonathan (1 Samuel 18:1 and 2 Samuel 1:26). Another story with homoerotism is of the Angel and Jacob wrestling whole night.

Jesus and Krishna:
Jesus himself said nothing about homosexuality, which leads many to believe it was not one of his main concerns. Neither did Krishna.

Buddhist Depiction:
One of the most popular of all Buddhist texts, the Jatakas, comprises a large collection of stories of the lives of the Buddha before his final life on this earth. The Jatakas repeatedly extol love and devotion between men, although this is never of an overtly sexual nature. In these stories the bodhisattva, or Buddha-to-be, is often shown as having a close male companion or attendant. Other texts describing the life of the historical Buddha relate the lifetime friendship of the Buddha and Ananda, who was his constant companion and personal attendant. Some writers have seen homoerotic elements in these texts 3. It is sufficient to say that loving relationships between unmarried men are treated very positively in Buddhist scriptures.

posted October 28, 2004 02:25 AM         

Sorry... I'm exhausted from a very long day. I hope that made some sort of sense

posted October 28, 2004 09:54 AM         

IAmThat, I don't personally give a damn what any religious book or doctrine says. Those sorts of things muddy the waters. How dare you use religion to condemn anyone? Or even to infer that someone's existance is somehow wrong or tainted? Didn't your Jesus say he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

I don't care for complex religious theories from those pompous enough to believe that said theories have somehow given them spiritual authority. 'Cause there ain't no such thang.

We are One. But we're not the same.

Ugly intenstines? Let's check yours, shall we?

posted October 28, 2004 10:36 AM         

It's a public forum. You address us all when you post here.

The nature of that post in itself was condemning.

Perhaps it takes a woman with sympathy, empathy and love to recognize that Chad came here to find acceptance, love and validation.

He doesn't need to weigh any alleged 'facts.' Especially not those put forth by arcane religions.

He need only listen to his heart and soul.

posted October 28, 2004 11:14 AM         

As for the diseases comment below. About a v being for a P and all. Are you trying to say it is physically better that way?

Here is how the *Disease things go*

Gay Males (Most likley) Sorry dudes...
Straight couples (Middle)
Lesbians (Least likley) May I just make a happy little noise here?

Diseases can come no matter what gender, no matter what sex you have, no mater what is meant for what. You dont even need to be having sex. So dont try and say your better off for being straight. Cause thats crap.

* Biologically a V was made for P and vice versa. Ana_ xCourse brings so many diseases. You must look at intenstine of some gays. Its rotten. There are much horror stories.
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EEEWWWW...Hello???Who needed to know?

* With what face will a guy go to Father God? How uncomfortable the father God would be and even the son.
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Are you saying that the father god would be uncomfortable facing a gay son? I cant tell you anything but my own experience, and I have to say out of everything about me, my mother finds my sexuality most easy to accept...An she is most definetly straight.

As for my dad, he has been an amazing support.

You cannot judge how someone will act. No matter who it is.

* Leviticus 18:22
Do not lie with a man as one lies
with a woman; that is detestable
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How sexist....Wow.

* Thats so true librasparkle.

* Go trillian. Go trillian *doing a little dance.*

posted October 28, 2004 11:39 AM         

Thanks for not being so bitter and for reading my posts carefully. This whole thing will always be debatable, if we chose to. You picked up that most of the "sexist" scripture never talk of lesbianism.

I ponder sometimes, if its wrong to go the wrong way, then why do we see homosexuality in animals, who don't have free will? You know what I mean.

I was joyed to learn that your Mom came to terms with it. Its a very important lesson I learnt here. I have also asked before somewhere in the posts whether our soul is really sexless? And your comment here, made me think about that. I am inclined to believe that in the spiritual world 2 becomes one. There is no paradox. We also don't carry our earthly relationships above (that of husband wife,mother-son, etc).

Its just a house built on earth, by our parent Gods in heaven, so that we don't bother them

posted October 28, 2004 11:55 AM         

(and no i'm not a freake...I watched it cause it had to do with DNA)

seems that scientists have found a way to mutate DNA cells. So that animals have homosexuality tedencies. So they dont breed....

yeh... scary...
Any way it's working, and alot of problems are working out.

Now...So the human population is overpopulated. Willl they use this same thing? It's sooo possible to do. from what I learnt about DNA mutations which I am extremely interested in.
Heck they could b doing it now as a pre emptive attack on overpopulation.

AHHHHHHH I'M A MUTANT!

posted October 28, 2004 07:40 PM         

IAT, when you said "I ponder sometimes, if its wrong to go the wrong way, then why do we see homosexuality in animals, who don't have free will? You know what I mean."

I feel the operative word here is wrong. What is wrong? Which way is wrong? Both statements are meaningless when you realise "wrong" is a completely subjective word that you have formulated based on society, people, the world in general. We are not of this world. Even in physical form we are one. What is physical? It is 99 percent nothing. Matter = energy. All is One. I urge you to read Conversations with God as it could help understand ourselves on a higher level. I don't really trust religions much because their views seem linear and they are formed of heirarchies. Over here, pyramid schemes are illegal, and yet, chuches are pyrmid schemes. If you donate to a church on a Sunday, you will be blessed, but that church will just make more churches and "bless" more people. Sure some do good, but the overall reasons are not for the people but the churches. This is my view anyway. Seek the God within.

posted October 28, 2004 07:55 PM         

Yes the operative word is "wrong". There was a big "if" also that you missed.

I am wierd, I know. Without making reaching an conclusion, I pour out all that I think. My stupidity I believe, ok.

But those who are new to me. I want to remind that I am on Journey. And scriptures have thousands years of data in them and I always try to pick the truer stones from it and try to apply first to any discussion.
I believe most of the authors, today don't write for the sake of writing, but for filling their own pockets. They worry whether their books are making to the top 10 list in Amazon.

PEACE

posted October 28, 2004 08:29 PM         

quote:

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Over here, pyramid schemes are illegal, and yet, chuches are pyrmid schemes. If you donate to a church on a Sunday, you will be blessed, but that church will just make more churches and "bless" more people.

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Interesting analogy. I've never thought of this in those terms.

posted October 28, 2004 08:54 PM         

It got buried and most are not aware. Its for the same reason I don't ignore the scripture totally.

Going church not just in vain but participating would really help some people. So I make sure these days that I participate. Share with others what I learn, etc. After all this whole earth is one Universal church. Sooner or later people would realize it and then there won't be need for any more churches.