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posted September 12, 2007 07:15 AM         

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would love to know if anyone knows more on the 2012 shift...

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posted September 12, 2007 07:17 AM         

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Namaste and welcome Gaya.

With regards to 2012 there are various theories around, but the prominent one is that of the magnetic polar reversal of Mother Earth. It is also believed that Earth is currently passing through a photon belt, which eventually opens up the masses on a spiritual realm.

I am sure there are more people to share information.

Enjoy the stay.

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posted September 12, 2007 07:26 AM         

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hi moon,
thank you for the info, but is it true that the 4th dimension will open up and only those with no karma or high vibrations will make it with their bodies.
the mayans say it will happen on 21st dec 2012 at 11:11 am!!!

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posted September 12, 2007 07:30 AM         

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do not go for false prophecies anyway! Just because the Mayan calender ends, doesnt mean a thing on a big scale. What about the Hindu calenders?

So, the idea is about spiritual progression, perhaps there are events which would make the spiritual awareness more reachable to the masses.... perhaps a better living world.

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posted September 12, 2007 07:37 AM         

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even the hindus say satyug is coming... so is it possible..the shift and satyug are the same..ofcourse spiritual progression is of utmost importance and so is living in a state of grace in the moment .... but i am still curious

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posted September 12, 2007 08:35 AM         

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Gaya

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is it possible..the shift and satyug are the same.

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I tend to see that as a possibility too. And other possible theories.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002286.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002123.html

http://www.experiencefestival.com/mayan_calendar

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The Mayan Calendar is not predicting the end of the world 2012, but the start of a new era; the golden age.

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posted September 12, 2007 08:48 AM         

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thanks fayte.. that was really helpful..

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posted September 12, 2007 08:58 AM         

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Thank you and Namaste` fellow seeker!

http://www.experiencefestival.com/2012
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~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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posted September 12, 2007 09:22 AM         

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Yes Fayte, wonderful links, and that is what it is thought to be!

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posted September 12, 2007 10:15 AM         

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Namaste` SattvicMoon!
And thank you!

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~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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Fear not the changes.
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posted September 12, 2007 12:04 PM         

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i have been interested in this very same subject. thank you all for so many urls to follow. i'll be reading all day im certain, lol.

-kyle

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posted September 12, 2007 05:04 PM         

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I found this link a few minutes ago, but haven't gone through it properly yet. I'm tired....
http://2012.com.au/Site.A.html

Nice video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAnfbdU4Wvw

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uz80zTMO40

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posted September 12, 2007 07:45 PM         

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I like the video except for the angel/lightworkers/Pleiades references. My opinions are based on my personal experiences and not intended to offend.
1.Most things thought of as angels were/are not out for the good of humanity. They were the deceivers of humanity.
2.Anything associated with the Pleaides was/are also not for the wellbeing of humanity and were in charge of the angelic deceivers of humanity.
3. Being referred to as lightworkers is was/is part of the glamouring to feed our egos and to flatter us into believing they are out for our well being.

Based on what I feel I know based on experiences...I know better.

WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!
Not them! But they wanted/want us to believe we cannot do it without them, so they could continue to manipulate and control humankind's evolution to serve their agendas.
They destroyed the Saurians, some of which were sapient. They destroyed civilizations that predate the Saurians.
They gave fear of the natural night and dark to humanity and fear of all not beautiful so humanity would come to fear and hate anything not appearing light and beautiful.
Light and beauty is not automatically good;
and nor is dark and ugly appearing automatically bad.
Beware! Our eyes and desires can and have deceived us of humanity.
See what really is, not what is an illusion to deceive humanity yet again.

Just my take on things.
Follow "them" if you wish, and may the true God be able to save you when/if they gain control of you.

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
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posted September 12, 2007 09:51 PM         

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http://www.divinecosmos.com/
for even more mind blowing enjoyment! Lots of stuff on the 2012 phenomena (and other stuff too)with some really interesting scientific evidence to back it all up. Lots of Love, Krista

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posted September 13, 2007 02:50 AM         

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Wow, I've bookmarked the link.

Fayte, I think of "light" in terms of symbolic speech to represent self awareness; being in the light of God; becoming free from the bondage and suffering of the "world of illusion". I think of "dark", similarly, as being "cut off" or "damned" from our true, Infinite Source and therefor entrapped in "the matrix".

If words such as those can't be used to symbolize such concepts, it makes it more complicated to explain, that's the way I see it anyway.

All the talk about bloodlines, etc in the Bible is irrelevant. True spirituality through meditation, etc enables us to real-eyes that all life is connected and deserves value and respect. Not just human to human.
But, with the lack of empathy in the world that there is, we'll have to start by respecting our own species I guess.

"Light" and "dark" in appearances has got nothing to do with "light" and "dark" in symbolic spiritual concepts.

If you don't mind me asking, do you believe in the existence of the sinister Reptilian types on Earth?

P.S. I am a STARCHILD from the Plaeides!
Just kidding. It's fun saying it!

I actually suspect that the 'starseed' concept could simply reflect spiritual awakening in people who have had many lives(?). Being in touch with higher realms can make us see the things wrong with this one and feel "it's a- Mad World"

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posted September 13, 2007 09:58 AM         

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LTT Thank you for your well thought out rational reply and not becoming angry with me for telling my viewpoint!
Thank you!
OK...you asked:

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No.
Do I believe or theorize there was a sapient reptilian of saurian race or races on Earth? Yes I do. But not the sinister evil ones. We are I feel descended from them. In our brains and bodies are the hallmarks of what once was.
Some things we have still in common with primitive reptiles:
The Reptilian brain/The Reptilian Complex
A spinal column
Internal organs
Air breathing
4 limbs(the snake has vestigial internal ones, showing it once had legs, just as the whales once did)
Toe nails and fingernails
The same number of fingers and toes.
Two eyes.
I theorize that the deceivers were an alien form of arachnoids or insectoids who only appeared humanoid in some ways. They tried to wipe us out before we evolved into our present forms by destroying the Saurians and before that the Gorgon.
So beware any entity speaking ill of the Reptilians. They tried to make us turn against our own kind and go hive minded insectoidal brained as they were.
Spiritual Borging. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, trust us...see how beautiful we are! Trust us trust us trust us.....zapp!

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
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posted September 14, 2007 03:00 PM         

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Of course I wouldn't get angry....though I can understand you are glad I didn't....hell hath no fury......hehehe

I understand what you are saying.
Though I do wonder.
How can we be sure of anything?

It just gets more and more confusing!

Perhaps I should become a Mormon again!
(I was involved for a short while in my early teens, family are members).

As for humans having a reptilian brain....I thought all mammals had that? I haven't really had time to make a study of it all.

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posted September 14, 2007 03:50 PM         

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Gaya- a very warm welcome to LL, sorry I forgot before!

I just watched this cool video about the Hopi prophecies and way of life.

I do believe that what this wonderful man says is true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

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posted September 14, 2007 05:36 PM         

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As for humans having a reptilian brain....I thought all mammals had that? I haven't really had time to make a study of it all.

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The Reptilian Complex is found in all vertebrates.
The is named for the most advanced part of the brain higher mammals share with reptiles. It is responsible for rage[1], xenophobia[1], basic survival fight-or-flight responses[1], territoriality and social hierarchy, along with the desire to submit to stronger (Alpha Type) members of one's own species. Often, the R-Complex can override the more rational function of the brain and result in unpredictable, primitive behavior in even the most sentient of creatures, humans included. A well developed and healthy neo-cortex can monitor R-Complex activity in sentient beings. The Reptilian complex is the most ancient part of a very successful brain scheme, evolutionarily speaking.
A nice overview with pictures here explaing it all better! http://www.psycheducation.org/emotion/triune%20brain.htm

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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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Fear not the changes.
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posted September 14, 2007 05:40 PM         

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And therefor this Reptilian 'R-complex' itself is no proof that humans and reptilian beings interbred?

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posted September 14, 2007 05:46 PM         

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And therefor this Reptilian 'R-complex' itself is no proof that humans and reptilian beings interbred?

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Not sure what you are asking? Just recently it was discovered that there were different pro humans living side by side in different times.
So yeah...no way of actually proving anything at this point.

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
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posted September 17, 2007 03:01 AM         

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Thank you so much for that video about the Hopi prophecies and way of life.. i too thought it was simple true and beautiful..

I am truly so happy to have found this website and Linda Goodmans work, it has opened and accelerated my spiritual growth.. and i am ever so grateful for that!!!

love light and happiness

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posted September 17, 2007 05:45 AM         

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Gaya....I feel the same way about LL!

Mind you, don't be put off by some of the 'squabbles'

The internet is a fantastic tool, at the same time it can be a 'cold medium'.

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It would be nice to evolve some sort of telethapy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law unto itself.

I have been wondering- perhaps we are only 'Free' or have 'Free Will' in as much as we are spiritually awakened. We are like Gods in amnesia. This amnesia is the source of our soul-sickness.

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posted September 17, 2007 05:53 AM         

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I hear you Loud and Clear, cause i was so excited that i told a couple of friends about and each one had a smart answer about how you cant trust it... and i am sure they saw and read the squabbles to reach that decision, however, i feel that there are some very evolved souls here, passing information that is vital, and fortunately the universe is kind enough to gift me the ability to take the best and leave the rest....

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