posted February 24, 2011 08:57 PM            

What is the higher thing to do?
Is using clairvoyance for own gain have consequences?
Is it different for self preservation?
If you saw yourself in a car accident would you change your plans? Would you only changes the plans if the outcome was bad?
Could you really defer it?
Is seeing that outcome only probability and not real based on a current choice with inner sight? If you consciously choose not to die then you would by fate, avoid this situation. But do you go anyway? Or do you avoid it?

I ask this because I found this tidbit about Steiner. He lived by abiding by the highest moral law possible for swift spiritual advancement.

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Steiner could see everything happening to the world and to him. He was an oracle who quit the job, and turned against his former masters! Like Krishnamurti, he too found he was being used, not by wonderful souls, but by devils appearing as angels. As soon as he saw the real play, he became their greatest enemy. Hitler had - and in 1924 dollars - a one million Mark price on Steiner's head. Steiner saw, at a railway station, two assassins with shotguns waiting for him. Because he saw it using his clairvoyance, he still went anyways, knowing full well the law that to use these gifts FOR SELF is the first step toward lifetimes in the darkside. So, he went ahead with his plans, knowing they were waiting. Some friends were apprised through another source and got to him, just as he arrived at the station and saved him. THat's the kind of person he was."

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posted February 25, 2011 11:42 AM            

I was 17 and newly cognisant of the Twin Souls and had made up my mind to pursue only that relationship and nothing else but the Universe found a way to slip under my radar and brought forth a false Twin that helped me grow and learn many valuable lessons.

Last year another relationship opportunity arose but I knew fully well it was not meant to be but for whatever reasons I chose to go ahead with it. The relationship did end in 2 months but I learnt something of great value to my Soul.

I think this is a progressive process...

First the Universe begins to reveal its wonders to the newly initiate to urge them on the path and a person at this point changes a lot of things that they do not like. It seems to me that the Universe "allows" this as a learning curve.

Second, the Universe teaches us the consequences of averting a choice, where we learn that messing around with Universal Laws is not conducive to growth and for a while, the foresight vanishes as another learning curve to allow the Soul to display temperance.

Third, the Soul receives foresight again and is able to see consequences of very strongly affecting events and choices. If the Soul trusts the Universe and allows it to guide their lifetime on 3D, great rewards ensue, if the Soul tries to alter the choice again, the cycle starts all over again only more difficult this time.

That is what I have learnt and experienced and it may be different for different Souls but I cannot speak for them

Steiner was wiser than many and knew that the Universal Conciousness knows better than we with our limited perspective on life

posted February 25, 2011 11:53 AM            

In my book, the main character faces the same choice as Steiner did even though I had not heard of his story before and is saved by a friend acting just in the nick of time.

The Universe is winking

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posted February 25, 2011 01:34 PM            

If I forsaw my own death, I wouldn't prevent it. Maybe my death will serve some type of divine purpose. I could die for something that I believe in.

I believe that my astrological chart shows strong potential for being killed for ideological reasons. I have a retrograde Chiron-Eris in 8th house which wounds in connected to diversity,equality in the areas of death. I have Sun in Scorpio oppose/conjunct the Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio with 10 minutes of arc which suggests strong collective karma involving diversity issues which can be connected to matters of security/stability/self worth versus transformation/sex/death, and that fits with my Eris in 8th house. I have very strong collective Eristic karma. Mars is the ruler of my 8th, dispositor of my Chiron-Eris conjunction, and dispositor of my Sun-Eris Node conjunction in Scorpio. Therefore violence can be involved in my death, wounds involving diversity/equality, and my collective karma. Maybe in pastlives, I committed homicide in connection to matters involving diversity,equality. Maybe I even participated in mass homicide in connection to diversity,equality. Maybe I was a Roman that was involved in persecuting/killing Christians. Maybe I was a nazi that was involving in persecuting/killing Jews and others that were minorities. I even have the same birthday as Joseph Goebells who was Hitler's nazi propaganda minister. Maybe I was part of the Spanish Inquisition that tortured/killed people. Maybe I was part of the Atlantic Slave Trade of Black Africans.
The African Slavery's Chart's Eris is exactly conjunct/oppose my Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. The Sabian Symbol for African Slavery Chart's Eris and my Midheaven is "The Negro Girl Fights For Independence in the City" Coincidence or Synchronicity? You decide.

What if my preventing my own death set off a chain of events that altered others' futures. That could happen.

I think that it's best to let nature take its course.

In the Star Wars movies, Anakin Skywalker couldn't do that. He could not let nature take its course. He was too attached to things. For all his great power as a Jedi, he lacked the detachment of a Jedi. That was the main factor that brought him to the darkside of the Force and became Darth Vader.

Birth and death is most definite thing that know. All of us have a physical birth and all of us have a physical death. What comes after death is anybody's guess. I believe in reincarnation. I believed that I lived many lives before.

We all have to go some time,and so do we have to be afraid of death.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 25, 2011 09:50 PM            

Not that gifts should be used for personal gain like that on a daily basis, I agree with the idea that this makes people selfish and negative. I believe that if an individual is given knowledge of themselves , they should do nothing to stop it. If it was meant to be thwarted, it would be.

I think an exception would be in the case of
1) multiple people who have no knowledge of each other seeing the same thing.
2) an individual seeing a negative fate for another (Final Destination style).

What Quinnie said is okay too; saving yourself for the protection of another helpless being sounds good to me.

posted February 26, 2011 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I'm not sure that would fall into the category of using the gift for one's own gain in the first place. We do this sort of thing everyday without the gift of clairvoyance, do we not? I mean, we don't sleep without locks on or doors, we encourage people to wear helmets, not to drive drunk, wash our hands, etc., etc. Now if he were trying to use it to prevent things that we're inevitable and natural, my opinion would be different.

Again, that's my take on it. I'm not judging anyone who would do differently. I guess Im an atypical 8th house mooner in this respect.

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Good common sense.

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posted February 26, 2011 02:46 AM            

Yet, I do not agree that using occult powers for Self is bad. There must be balance.

I would use Clairvoyance to stop the assassins else they will assassinate someone else.

As shown so beautifully in the movie "NEXT", *ing Nicholas Cage: If you see the future, you change it, whether you try to or not.

It has been asked by many if it is a crime for a clairvoyant to kill Hitler as a child. The answer is yes, because that is doing bad to prevent bad. A clairvoyant should have seen to it that Hitler did not take the wrong path and gets mentored by the positive folk than the dark side.

Had Hitler been a positive humanist, we all would have been richer, happier and speaking German.
Plus there would have been no State of Israel i.e no middle east tension, no Islamic Fundamentalism, no Arab Dictators etc.

Thus, I am of the opinion that we must
use occult powers for the greatest good of all concerned, including Self.

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posted February 28, 2011 10:33 AM            

My mom was in a bad place 2 years ago, with this man. And his name just gave me chills, and I know for a fact he killed her dog- though he said it ran away and I know for a fact had my mom stayed she would had died too. She left that night. He is in prison now. She made a choice based on the information she had.

My ex husband, I was gone from home one night but I'd spoke to him and I said something very bad is going to happen, I feel it so will you please stay home? He said yes and he promised me. But he went out anyway got drunk, got in a wreck resulting in a 47 yr old man dying then he went to prison for 4 years.

I don't think I am psychic or gifted, I believe everyone has an intuition and it is there to guide you.

And when mine tells me something is bad, I leave. Period, I don't want to know what will happen, I don't need to know if I come out better or worse.

posted February 28, 2011 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by TxGirl:
I figure if you are able to sense/see things in the future it isn't there to just say oh hey something bad is coming prepare. I think it's there to try to change it and if you can not change then I'd go with preparing for it.

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