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posted June 24, 2012 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome website. Tons of past shows to listen to too. I'm just starting to listen to this one now. The comments at the link are interesting too.

What sucks is most cities require one to have their dog vaccinated yearly. There may be ways around it along with holistic precautions one could use instead of vaccines and "copy of titer test"?

About to continue on listening and learning more....

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This week on Animal Talk Naturally! we have the acclaimed author John Clifton, of Stop the Shots and also Sparky Fights Back: A Little Dog’s Battle Against Cancer.

It was our pleasure to sit and chat with John about the problem of overvaccinating our pets and how he is tackling this controversial subject with such dignity presenting all the facts so every single pet owner can be empowered to make up their own mind about whether to vaccinate or not. Here is the synopsis for this week:


Synopsis

1. Stop the Shots!
2. Sparky Fights Back
3. Vaccines:Cause or prevent diseases?
4. Presenting the facts
5. Who is really YOUR pets authority?
6. The immune system
7. The myth of vaccines
8. More harm than good
9. Killed, modified live, adjuvants, recombinant
10. Vaccines can cause diseases

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First of all, the balance of power is always based on Economics 101′s Supply and Demand theory. NO DEMAND, NO VACCINES and DRUGS. MORE DEMAND, MORE VACCINES and DRUGS . It is a very simple principle. We need to get the pet caregivers of the world to say NO to over-vaccination and drugs and the veterinary community will have to listen. Repeat it to yourself, ‘supply and demand….. …if I don’t demand it, then eventually they will stop supplying it. ~ Dr. Stephen Blake

It seems that we may almost have a double standard as far as medical theories are concerned. As long as man does something, it’s science. When nature does something, it’s quackery.. ~ Dr G E Poesnecker, (Nature Cure 2000)

The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realize that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the health and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for. ~ Charles E Loops, DVM, Pittsboro NC

Revelation 22:6


Additional Resources (got to the link to link up with these)

Vaccines – Are They Safe for Your Dog?
To Vaccinate or Not to Vaccinate?
The Big Scam: Rabies Vaccination
Health Hazards of Routine Vaccinations
Vaccinating Our Pets
Vaccinating Our Pets Part II
The Rabies Challenge Fund
The Rabies Vaccine for Dogs and Cats: What You Need to Know Now

http://www.animaltalknaturally.com/2007/03/27/are-vaccinations-killing-our-pets-show-8 6/

Animal Talk Naturally: http://www.animaltalknaturally.com/

Past Shows: http://www.animaltalknaturally.com/past-programs/

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posted June 24, 2012 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(groovy intro music! had me bobbin my head)

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It seems that we may almost have a double standard as far as medical theories are concerned. As long as man does something, it’s science. When nature does something, it’s quackery..

~ Dr G E Poesnecker, (Nature Cure 2000)

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posted June 24, 2012 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so true:

"A veterinarian's practice is 50% vaccinations, so you take away that and you take away half of his practice. So that would put many veterinarians out of business. Not to mention the pharmacutical companies that are constantly working to develop NEW vaccines, to find new diseases that they can make new vaccines for."


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In his book, he tries to present all facts, all sides and let the reader figure it out for themselves. He's not trying to put all people off to vaccinations.

"But even professional literature, and practically every college in America is agreeing with major immunologists saying "Cut back. Do a bare bones program and let everything else be optional, based on the pet." That's the message and many veterinarians just arent getting it. "

Giarrdia vaccine is not even recommended in professional literature because there is no proof that it even works.

One of the hosts was saying that only the puppies she had that got that vaccine ended up getting Giarrdiah.

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This is a fantastic show. I'd like to get a copy of this book as a gift to my vet for next time I go in.

They recommend finding a vet that will work with you and who is educated on all of this. A vet shouldnt be your pets authority.


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posted June 24, 2012 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
typing some things out as i hear them. This guy is very knowledgable.

I'd like to order his book at some point. Where he goes into more detail.

"The vaccinations are messing up the DNA. There's no doubt about it. And the toxins and diseases are building up in the body and they even being passed on to future generations. And all the vaccinations that the parents have had gets passed on and imbedded in the DNA of the future generations."

"Most people dont think of vaccines as diseases. But they are! Your body doesnt think it's a vaccine, right? But your body sees it an actual disease because that's what's in a vaccine. The body thinks of it as an enemy and goes to war."

they are talking about if an animal was vaccinated once, not needing it again and again....

"You do more harm than good if you vaccinate animal that is already immune."

Even if there is ONE antibody left from previous vaccination, that animal is immune and even if there are NO antibodies left, that animal is proabalby still immune.

They can be found through a titer test.

If you keep the animals body constantly fighting by giving them vaccines they don't need, you are doing much damage to them.

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Gee, no wonder pets are coming down with cancer and other human diseases now more than ever.

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posted June 24, 2012 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His website:
http://www.stoptheshots.com/privacy.htm

reviews: http://www.stoptheshots.com/reviews/index.htm

Stop the Shots!: Are Vaccinations Killing Our Pets? [Paperback]
John Clifton
http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Shots-Vaccinations-Killing-Pets/dp/0976084627

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“The annual vaccine habit wouldn’t be so bad if it was as simple as not being necessary. The truth is that there are harmful side effects to giving MLV (modified live virus) vaccines every year. More and more research in this area is coming up with the vaccines causing auto-immune antibody production to many organs and body tissues. When you consider that immune titers studies indicate a minimum of 7 years protection after a single dose where do we get the annual booster idea anyway? I think we, as veterinarians, are obligated to do what is best for the pet. Giving unnecessary vaccines, in my opinion, is unethical and, in some instances, bordering on malpractice.

“Another factor to consider is safety when giving MLV vaccines, especially when giving multiple antigens at the same time. Most of our continuing education on new vaccines and vaccine combinations comes from representatives of the companies selling the product. I can’t help but think there may be a bit of bias involved here. Anyway, we are constantly told that the multiple antigen products are safe, convenient and effective.

“I remember two cases in the past year with perfectly normal, happy, apparently healthy cats being presented in complete total flaccid paralysis within 72 hours after getting ‘all their shots.’ Extensive diagnostics had been done on both animals by their regular vet before being presented to me and in both cases the owners were told that nothing was apparently wrong with their pet and that the vaccines couldn’t be at fault!!! Many times every month I hear new clients complain about their pet being sick for up to 2 weeks after receiving multiple vaccines at once. I think our own pets are telling us something and maybe we should listen to them.”

Gary Van Engelenburg, DVM.



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“I recognize that, since most state laws require rabies vaccines, this creates a difficult crossroad. I can only recommend here that you fight to change the laws in your state. As a veterinarian, I am obligated to uphold rabies vaccination laws, thus I cannot recommend refusing rabies vaccination. If you contemplate avoiding rabies vaccination for your companion, you must realize that this is a legal decision as well as a medical decision. Rabies vaccines typically provide lifetime immunity, at least after two doses, so the need for further vaccination is legal, not medical…With few exceptions (some communities may require other vaccines though no state law requires them, to my knowledge), all other vaccines are optional. I recommend avoiding vaccination in almost all circumstances, as I believe it mainly creates illness rather than preventing illness.”

Donald Hamilton, DVM


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I believe that poor diet and vaccinations are responsible for most chronic diseases. – Russell Swift, DVM, Tamarac, FL

The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realize that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the health and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for.                   – Charles E. Loops, DVM, Pittsboro, NC

Vaccinosis is the reaction from common inoculations (vaccines) against the body's immune system and general well-being. These reactions might take months or years to show up and will cause undue harm to future generations. – Pedro Rivera, DVM BS, Harrisburg, PA

The most common problems I see that are directly related to vaccines on a day to day basis are ear or skin conditions, such as chronic discharges and itching. I also see behavior problems such as fearfulness or aggression. – Pat Bradley, DVM, Conway, AR

There are a lot of chronic conditions that [can] develop some time after vaccinating. Some of these conditions that I see are chronic ear infections, digestive problems, seizures, skin problems, and behavioral problems. – Stephen Blake, DVM, CVH CVA San Diego, CA

Unfortunately our society is in the grasp of a health panacea and this panacea is fuelled by the bio-medical and pharmaceutical industries. Vaccinations have become the modern day equivalent of leeching. – Mike Kohn, DVM, Madison, WI

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