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hikoro
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posted January 27, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so...im trying to figure out....if someone has a good mars position and that mars is not afflicted, then what else is making that person a doormat/pushoever type?
that is, not being able to go with what he wants...instead, doing what is expected of him?
is it libra moon?

in a post somewhere, i read that libra moon people can tolerate a lot of bs in relationships.
one thing i find fascinating about libra mooners is that you guys have more staying power than the typical flakier libra sun/venus..imo.
i find libra mooners as being more loyal, comforting, warmth...i dunno. you guys remind me of taurus and cancer mooners, but in a different way.
so, libra moon cant be a bad position at all.

here i ask..since the three libra moons i know have tolerated a lot of bs in relationships, and...one of them is still tolerating plenty of crap in a relationship.
what is it that makes you say a big, 'no, this is it. im done'. what makes you finally see that light and take one side instead of considering both sides of the issue? what triggers this?

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or, is this guy's behavior because of any of the following aspects?

sun opposite uranus
venus opposite uranus
moon square jupiter
moon square neptune

i really need to figure this out. if i can find an astrological reason that indicates the reason he is wasting himself away in a sinking relationship....maybe...just maybe, ill be able to help him.


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posted January 27, 2013 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think for us, once we determine the other person isn't going to change for the betterment of the relationship, we start to emotionally check out. Like we really have to see that the other person is being really selfish or mean for no good reason. Then we're like, OK, it's time to move on because no amount of understanding will make this better because we'd be losing too much of ourselves in trying to change to make it work.

That whole process is more mental for us though.

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posted January 27, 2013 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon hard aspects Neptune shows he's sensitive, and moon hard aspect Jupiter indicates optimism, so if you had that with an overly understanding and accommodating Libra moon :S lol he's going to stay hoping things will get better until the scales get pushed down too much- then he'll snap.

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posted January 27, 2013 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
I think for us, once we determine the other person isn't going to change for the betterment of the relationship, we start to emotionally check out. Like we really have to see that the other person is being really selfish or mean for no good reason. Then we're like, OK, it's time to move on because no amount of understanding will make this better because we'd be losing too much of ourselves in trying to change to make it work.

That whole process is more mental for us though.


i can see that. a mental process that has not made its mark in reality...
so, checked out emotionally but still in a miserable relationship because of..duty? keeping the peace? otherwise, taking a stand would create too much drama? who knows....

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posted January 27, 2013 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Moon hard aspects Neptune shows he's sensitive, and moon hard aspect Jupiter indicates optimism, so if you had that with an overly understanding and accommodating Libra moon :S lol he's going to stay hoping things will get better until the scales get pushed down too much- then he'll snap.

thanks hapless.
if you put all of this with a scorpio mars, does that mean that that person would have a hard time cutting inconvenient people from his life?
is mars in scorpio an aspect that would add to that 'understanding and accommodating' factor?
i know that fixed signs have a hard time letting go. but, mars in scorpio is a fighter, right?
not an aspect of someone who is easy to maneuver/manage/control...

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posted January 27, 2013 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars in Scorpio likes intensity, and subconsciously need some drama regularly to stay happy I think. Scorpio mars don't like change.
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Originally posted by hikoro:
thanks hapless.
if you put all of this with a scorpio mars, does that mean that that person would have a hard time cutting inconvenient people from his life?
is mars in scorpio an aspect that would add to that 'understanding and accommodating' factor?
i know that fixed signs have a hard time letting go. but, mars in scorpio is a fighter, right?
not an aspect of someone who is easy to maneuver/manage/control...

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posted January 27, 2013 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hikoro:
i can see that. a mental process that has not made its mark in reality...
so, checked out emotionally but still in a miserable relationship because of..duty? keeping the peace? otherwise, taking a stand would create too much drama? who knows....


Definitely true if children are involved! If not, some would stay because they think it might possibly get better. We are also indecisive! Sometimes we might be mulling over in our heads if it's worth it to stay and try to make it work.

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posted January 27, 2013 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Mars in Scorpio likes intensity, and subconsciously need some drama regularly to stay happy I think. Scorpio mars don't like change.

i agree with the scorpio mars not liking change. that must be some of it.
i dont think he likes the disrespect though. he has three planets in capricorn. these folks want to be taken seriously, imo

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posted January 27, 2013 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
Definitely true if children are involved!

that's my mom right there. with my gemini and scorpio moon dad.
*for the children*
horrible scorpio moon by the way. i dont know if all scorpio moons are like that...but, the bad side of a scorpio moon is a really bad side.

another funky coincidence.....
other than the fact that my mom and my gem have similar natal inner planets....
my gem's mother also has a scorpio moon.
horrible, controlling and manipulative woman.
i feel for him...since it reminds me of how things were with my dad.

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posted January 28, 2013 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon hard aspects to Neptune often indicate some sort of suffering in personal relationships i.e the domestic scene. The person may give of themselves more than the partner does and still put up with it.

This behaviour may be indicative of a childhood mother who was passive and retiring, a home that was broken/ dysfunctional etc.

My mom has Moon oppositional Neptune nataly and I've always wondered, for so long, why she stayed with my Dad. She observed , for so long, her own moter being ill treated by her father and then unconsciously repeated the pattern with the man she married. Sigh!

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posted January 28, 2013 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks!
his mom is def. not passive at all though.
i can see the dysfunctional part.

i found this, he has moon in conflict with jupiter.
a description:

"Interactions with a maternal figure may center on conflict. Possibly she competed with you, blackmailed you emotionally, or was manipulative or dependent. You have probably learned to face the unconscious and deal with self-control and mastery alongside emotional complexes from your interactions with her."

this sounds about right.

they also have these aspects...

her moon conjuncts his mars and saturn
her saturn conjuncts his uranus
her jupiter conjuncts his mercury and venus

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posted February 02, 2013 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Moon hard aspects Neptune shows he's sensitive, and moon hard aspect Jupiter indicates optimism, so if you had that with an overly understanding and accommodating Libra moon :S lol he's going to stay hoping things will get better until the scales get pushed down too much- then he'll snap.

haplesschild*,

do you mind looking at the synastry? i have a good idea of the composite but, i dont want to open a new thread on the synastry. i just want a simple insight. thx.
the composite is nice, but...it doesnt seem to me we have much going on in synastry. maybe?

what is disappointing is the moons, imo. although libra moon and taurus moon can get along. im not sure how emotionally fulfilling it will be on the long run. now, i dont care for moon trines, but i sure adore a moon trining my sun.
on the other hand, i wonder if the neptune-moon connection will add a spark when it comes to emotional compatibility. we hava cap neptune-tau moon.
what else....
oh yes, our venus and mars in scorpio are closely conjunct. we also have mars and pluto. hopefully, this will add enough intensity.
but then, there is the fact that our venuses are quincunx and our mars square. Hmmmm....

oh, and, saturn is conjunct venus in scorpio. nice, stability.
but then, my saturn opposes his sun, mercury and venus...hmmmmm.....
we have a conjunction in psyche and eros, and other things going on with asteroids. but, im still not sure if asteroids are that meaningful.

and another thing, he is very much an ideal, my mars is in air, he is an air sign. my sun is in water...well, maybe his mars and saturn in scorpio suffice.
but, if we take a look at his venus and moon, his ideal is an air girl.
there is a part of me that wonders if this is a case of 'she loves him more than he loves her'...which has usually been my experience. i guess i have to thank my taurus and scorpio planets for loving so deeply and being so damn loyal. T_T

there may be other stuff that im missing.

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posted February 02, 2013 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon sextile Neptune is really nice! It will definitely add empathy and an intuitive link between you.

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posted February 02, 2013 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
Moon sextile Neptune is really nice! It will definitely add empathy and an intuitive link between you.


that is nice. so...we have moon sextile neptune and moon trine neptune.

that saturn in sag opposing his gem placements....hmmmmm.....
this is one of the times when i dont get astrology and those outer planet aspects because only for the reason that i have saturn in sagg....i will have a conflict with all gemini (and prolly pisces) folks.
it is silly that one simple natal aspect will pose problems with an entire sign....

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posted February 02, 2013 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The thing to watch out for is your Moon opposed by his Mars/Saturn conjunction. That's a huge red flag as far as I'm concerned, but it doesn't *have* to be catastrophic. There's a risk for harsh, critical behaviour towards you.

And his Sun/Venus opposed by your Uranus.. sigh. Uranus combined with personal planets via hard aspect in synastry is seldom good, especially if you want long-term. It makes things unstable no matter how hard you try to stabilize them.

Another thing I notice: the Moons don't make flowing aspects. This will *probably* point to some emotional misunderstandings, but sometimes it's mitigated by other things (your Moon in his 4th house is a good thing).


On the good side, his ASC ruler Saturn conjuncts your DSC in Scorpio - that's a binding factor. And your Pluto/Venus fall on his MC, which is usually found in serious relationships.

Be careful with your Saturn conjuncting his Uranus.. he may feel that you restric his freedom somehow. Try to take things easy and don't force commitment or "rigid" behaviour.. His heavy Air influence and that Uranus emphasized in synastry won't make him tolerate being trapped in any way..

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posted February 02, 2013 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and unfortunately Libra anything has a tendency to be a doormat in relationships. Add to that a fixed sign like Scorpio or Taurus and it might take these people a LOT before they decide to leave..

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posted February 03, 2013 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The thing to watch out for is your Moon opposed by his Mars/Saturn conjunction. That's a huge red flag as far as I'm concerned, but it doesn't *have* to be catastrophic. There's a risk for harsh, critical behaviour towards you.

ouch!

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And his Sun/Venus opposed by your Uranus.. sigh. Uranus combined with personal planets via hard aspect in synastry is seldom good, especially if you want long-term. It makes things unstable no matter how hard you try to stabilize them.

sigh.....ive read that the venus person finds the uranus person as being unreliable for serious commitment. that has never happened to me. it has always been the other way around. hahaha....

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Another thing I notice: the Moons don't make flowing aspects. This will *probably* point to some emotional misunderstandings, but sometimes it's mitigated by other things (your Moon in his 4th house is a good thing).

On the good side, his ASC ruler Saturn conjuncts your DSC in Scorpio - that's a binding factor. And your Pluto/Venus fall on his MC, which is usually found in serious relationships.


ive already had this with someone....things didnt last. even though these can be binding aspects...

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Be careful with your Saturn conjuncting his Uranus.. he may feel that you restric his freedom somehow. Try to take things easy and don't force commitment or "rigid" behaviour.. His heavy Air influence and that Uranus emphasized in synastry won't make him tolerate being trapped in any way..


thanks. it can be good but.....
i dont know, my taurus really likes security.
i think this will be the main issue, hence i have a tendency to doubt relationships with air and fire signs.

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posted February 03, 2013 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by the way doux,

i did his chart in astrotheme. im loyal to astro.com though...
you know how astrotheme has this description as to dominant planets, signs, elements, and so on?
astrotheme states that he is a scorpio dominant, then capricorn.
he is mostly air, then water, and then earth.
he is saturn dominant, then jupiter, then mars.

how is the scorpio-dominant possible when he only has mars-saturn conjunction in scorpio?
i would think he would be gem-dominant.
as to capricorn, he only has that jupiter conjunct asc. and neptune in cap is at 0 degrees.

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posted February 09, 2013 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hikoro, I'll post soon okay? I just got home, right now it's 3:33am where I am lol. On my iPad and exhausted! I'll type something when I get on my laptop in the morning.

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posted February 09, 2013 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Haplesschild*:
Hikoro, I'll post soon okay? I just got home, right now it's 3:33am where I am lol. On my iPad and exhausted! I'll type something when I get on my laptop in the morning.

thank you!
take your time!

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posted February 10, 2013 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just realized he has retrograde mars, jupiter, saturn, uranus, neptune and pluto.
that's a lot...
maybe this plays into the 'lack of willpower' he has.

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posted February 10, 2013 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy puts up with so much crap. I never see him stand up to his wife.

Sun Virgo
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posted February 11, 2013 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CAY_512:
This guy puts up with so much crap. I never see him stand up to his wife.

Sun Virgo
moon Libra
Mercury Libra
Venus cancer
Mars Pisces


mmm....i think his pisces mars has to do with this too.
ive heard this placement as being very very passive.

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posted February 11, 2013 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
got gemini? where are thou dearest?

since i dont want to hijack the other thread.

ok, so, libra moons can take a lot of bs.
libra mooners adore being 'coupled'

since ive seenlibraic folks as never being able to be 'alone'...
is it possible for a libra mooner to put a break in relationships and enjoy singlehood?
is a libra mooner capable of wanting to be single?
if so, is it usually a bad relationship experience that leads to that?

i have a 7th house stellium, i think...mmmm.

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posted February 11, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharpei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im pisces mars in 10th house though.

i can be a bit of a doormat but i can also be a bit of a people user too so i dunno- i guess i am not direct, i am much more subtle and discreet- i dislike arguments and confrontation or if i do confront it will be totally unexpected- surprise is a great form of attack i find- i also try and make sure i have back up, especially male backup if i am picking an argument with a woman- im a very small slender female so i need to be protected- i remember once things got ugly between me and this girl and she went for me and i am SO GLAD my male flatmate was there to protect me- this girl was like a thick built drunken irish giant!

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