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Topic: A question that I can't find an answer to
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 16, 2017 02:13 AM
Maybe the answer is staring me in the face and I can't see it. But I would appreciate some opinions.I have two Asc degrees from two different astrologers. The first one is 20 Degrees Aries The second is 29 Degrees Aries. Now i have been watching transits to see which of the two is most likely. Recently and quite "out of the blue", I got a new contract job that wanted me to start immediately i.e the following day. This job appeared one day after Uranus went retro at 28 Degrees of Aries conjunct my 2nd Degree rectification by less than 1 degree. And it seems the nature of the Uranus transit was in keeping with the feeling i got of having to suddenly leave my sister to secure the job many miles away. As well as the "adhoc" nature of the job (Inbound Controller for Vehicle exports) etc. But interestingly when all this is occurring,Progressed Moon in Libra at 19 Libra/ Jupiter transit 19 Libra is opposing the first rectified Asc at 20 Degrees Aries. So which would one go with because I have been going back and forth on both? I think perhaps waiting for Jupiter in Libra to reach the second one(Aries 29) would clarify things maybe? Add to this, Mars/Moon are square at 18 Degree Libra/Cancer 17 Degrees respectively. So perhaps this Jupiter/Progressed Moon interaction with them caused this very sudden move? Am i missing the obvious? IP: Logged |
Mystic Melody Knowflake Posts: 878 From: IL Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 16, 2017 08:16 AM
I'm not skilled in rectification but I did want to point out that you said both "out of the blue" and "immediately" when you described the event. At the bottom of your post you then said, "sudden move". Therefore I would look to Uranus also. Also, I have read that progressed moon isn't enough for big changes. It also seems intuitive that progressed moon would have to do with the corresponding emotional changes from more powerful transits. Just some brainstorming though.
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girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted August 16, 2017 08:30 AM
transits to the cusps are huge triggersafter that the transit (exact) to the progressed moon for instance I'd since the theme is definitely unexpected, and you have found the need to "detach" yourself from sister, you should trust the uranus transit at your 2nd and your second house (money making) is ruled by mars which is now having jupiter on it, so it brings about a long distance opportunity you natally have the rulers of 2nd and 4th in square, so it could be said that an opportunity surfaces when one reaches the position of the other, by progression or transit; here your progressed moon has reached the position of natal mars perhaps the easiest way to recognize your real AC degree, is studying the different interpretation of the sabian degrees, seeing for yourself which one is more "you"
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 16, 2017 09:55 AM
Thank you guys for the response. Its very tricky. But you have given me more to ponder and think about.Sabian symbol of 30 Degree Aries(29 Deg ) " A pond with a duck and its brood". For 21 Degrees Aries(20 Deg) "A pugilist enters the ring". Hmmm... I will contemplate this for a while. Whats more the lady whom I am working with is a Leo with her Sun trine my Asc at 20 Deg. She will be going for arm surgery on the 28th(there's that number again) and up to 12 Weeks off to recover. So what does that mean? The new guy will have to step up . Uranus again?
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Mystic Melody Knowflake Posts: 878 From: IL Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 16, 2017 10:10 AM
I just noticed that since you said:"Progressed Moon in Libra at 19 Libra/ Jupiter transit 19 Libra is opposing the first rectified Asc at 20 Degrees Aries." that would be in your SIXTH house of work and service for both 29 and 20 degrees. Emotions related to expansion/opportunity at work and new partnership. Which doesn't help but was interesting in relation to what you said about the new guy having to step up.
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 16, 2017 10:43 AM
Oh wow Mystic. I missed that one It is very relevant. And thanks for pointing that out I have always thought that with Mars in 6th, high pressure at work is just something I have had to get used to. I didn't recognize this as an "opportunity" as Mars is involved etc. Thank you. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted August 16, 2017 10:59 AM
Using the one degree per year method add your age to those placements.Eg. If you're 25yo pAsc would be either 15° Taurus or 25° Taurus. 15° Taurus corresponds to May 7th, and 25° Taurus corresponds May 25th. These dates will move in a progressive manner as you age. Find the date sequence and you will find yout time of birth. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 16, 2017 12:39 PM
Ehm 1st time i hear that IP: Logged |
Mystic Melody Knowflake Posts: 878 From: IL Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 16, 2017 01:38 PM
No problem, Aries23Degrees. I enjoyed the exchange. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 16, 2017 06:12 PM
Look to the MC for salaried job positions, especially since the IC/MC axis is involved if you must move for the job. You cannot always determine the Asc directly, but indirectly depending on the nature of the events you have to use. It is very likely neither of these proposed Asc degrees is correct. Transits smartly used can narrow it down usually to within 4° or so, but not necessarily pinpoint the degree as we'd like.Forget Sabian symbols in this effort. They're too vague and tarot-like to be useful in rectification. ------------------ The Declinations Guy: precise modern scientific astrology > Expert birth chart rectification > Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted August 16, 2017 07:55 PM
quote: Ehm 1st time i hear that
You don't have to believe me, just try it out. Question: age? 20° Aries corresponds to April 10th. 29° Aries corresponds to April 19th. Hypothetically, let's say you're 25 years old. At age 25 your pAsc would be 15° Taurus, which corresponds to May 5th. People born on this day, May 5th, will pop up in your life. They would've appeared either a year or two ago, or this year. Next year as your pAsc moves to 16° Taurus, persons born May 6th will emerge. This won't necessarily happen sequentially where every year you meet someone born the next day, but it will happen progressively where you meet people born progressively later in the month. Eg. May 1st, May 3rd, May 6th... What's attracting them is your pAsc moving through those dates by degree. OTOH, if you're 25 years old and your nAsc is 29° Aries, you pAsc would be 23° Taurus which corresponds to May 14th. Next year your pAsc will move to 24° Taurus which corresponds to May 15th. This will draw persons born May 13, 14, 15th into your life. So, Aries23Degrees who is in your life? Persons born May 5th or May 15? How about five years ago, were there people born May 1st, or May 10th? The answer to those questions will reveal your correct Ascendant. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted August 16, 2017 08:10 PM
Supporting evidence.Prince William and Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge. quote: In 2001, Middleton met Prince William while they were both students in residence at St Salvator's Hall at the University of St Andrews.[42] The couple began dating in 2003, although their relationship remained unconfirmed...
William and Catherine were both born in 1982, and began dating at the age 21 according to this excerpt. William is a Cancer with Sagittarius Asc @ 27°, Catherine was born January 9th (18° Capricorn), Asc unknown. 27° Sagittarius corresponds to December 19th. At age 19 when they met his pAsc would've been 16° Capricorn which corresponds to January 7th. At age 21 when they starting seeing each other exclusively, Williams pAsc was 18° Capricorn, which corresponds to January 9th...Catherine's birthday. Summary, William and Catherine appeared on each other's radar when his pAsc was 2° approaching her nSun. They started dating once his pAsc was conjunct her nSun. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 17, 2017 02:48 AM
@KannonOh no Kannon. I just hope that the Asc has been correctly rectified this time. Don't want to go down that road again lol. Could the square of Uranus to the Midheaven @ 1 Aqua also contribute(for 29 Deg Asc)? I think i was looking for something "obvious" when looking at transits to confirm. The ruler of Mc is Uranus and trans Mercury squared natal Uranus when the move occurred. However,natal Saturn(ruler of the Mc for 20 Deg Asc) was also square trans Mars in Leo. So I really can't be sure on that front too I think I will continue to feel it out when trans Jupiter moves to aspect the one point and then the other. Progressed Moon is parallel Pluto. And Moon rules the 4th house cusp for 20 Deg Aries Asc. Changes around the home environment maybe? I can't say. But it couldn't have been pure coincidence that all this happened one day after Uranus went retro right? @Nine. I didn't mean to ridicule this method. Its really very new to me and quite interesting. Are there more examples you know of? In my case there are no new people that I have attracted. But 4 years ago, I was in a relationship with a Taurus born 9 May. And there is still a bit of awkwardness between us. I will look into this. Thanks guys
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2017 04:02 AM
I'll look for more examples. quote: Are there more examples you know of? In my case there are no new people that I have attracted. But 4 years ago, I was in a relationship with a Taurus born 9 May. And there is still a bit of awkwardness between us.
The people you attract don't necessarily have to be romantic interests. Basically anyone who enters your orbit and makes any sort of impact. Exercise: write down all the Taurus you can remember meeting, note their birthdays and look see if you a progressive pattern emerges. SAMPLE ..pAsc......Year - POI birth date. ..10°Libra...2001 - Oct 3 - Friend. ..12°Libra...2003 - Oct 5 - Romantic Interest. Made me so mad. ..13°Libra...2004 - Oct 17 - Supervisor, helped me advance ..14°Libra...2005 - Oct 7 - Romantic Interest. Best hugger ever ..15°Libra...2006 - Oct 26 - Romantic Interest. Not a Libra ..16°Libra...2007 - Sept 24 - Crush on me. ..17°Libra...2008 - Sept 29 - Romantic interest. Nice. ..18°Libra...2009 - Oct 19 - Crush on me. Hostile. A*hole. I was never interested. ..18°Libra...2009 - Oct 10 - Hostile. A*hole ..19°Libra...2010 - Oct 13 - Romantic interest. ..20°Libra...2011 - Oct 9 - Veiled hostility. colleague. ..21°Libra...2012 - Sept 23 - Fake. two-faced. veiled hostility. ..21°Libra...2012 - Oct 8 - Creepiest person I've ever met. passive-aggressive. ..22°Libra...2012 - Oct 15 - Obnoxious. Hostile. ..23°Libra...2013 - Oct 15 - Close friend. Chat for hours. ..23°Libra...2013 - Oct 10 - A*hole. clingy, needy, stalker (though unavailable), major league a*hole. ..24°Libra...2014 - Oct 17 - Obnoxious. Hostile. Tyrant. ..27°Libra...2016 - Oct 21 - Closer I get to this sign, the more contemptuous they become. Will be kept at arms length. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 17, 2017 04:00 PM
Oh ok I see. People are drawn to the progressed Asc by degree even.Well my progressed Asc is 23 for 20 Aries and 27 Taurus for 29 Aries respectively. But I don't think I am meeting that high number of Taurus people yet. I still meet up with random people of all sorts. Some slightly more significant than others. But its not consistent. Very interesting though. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 17, 2017 06:03 PM
Aries23Degrees, honestly without your birth data to look at the chart possibilities and have it fully visual before me, I don't know what to tell you. It requires looking at both the longitudes and declinations for where the real action is occurring. If you like you can email me your birth data along with the dates of hire/move and I could give you an informed opinion. As to the 'event' happening one day after Uranus went Rx, I take that as more incidental. What is more important is Uranus possibly turned to begin applying again towards a relevant natal point -- while certain other factors were also involved. ------------------ The Declinations Guy: precise modern scientific astrology > Expert birth chart rectification > Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 19, 2017 02:19 AM
I agree Kannon. I have been very cryptic. I thought it would be as simple as "its likely the 1st one" answer lol.I will respond to your suggestion.
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Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 19, 2017 11:13 PM
Thanks for your email. It helped me have a better day. (Rough night last night). It triggered me to contact the astrologer friend mentioned who'd been going through a rough time. We had a good talk.Thank you for being a catalyst for that And I hope the new job is going well, and that you've settled well into your new town. ------------------ The Declinations Guy > Expert birth chart rectification > Rising Sign Descriptions ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 20, 2017 01:53 AM
That is awesome. My pleasure.The job is still at its orientation phase however. But I have hope that it will all work out. Lol. Thank you for you quick response IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 17, 2018 12:48 AM
quote: @Nine...Its really very new to me and quite interesting.Are there more examples you know of? In my case there are no new people that I have attracted. But 4 years ago, I was in a relationship with a Taurus born 9 May. And there is still a bit of awkwardness between us. I will look into this. Thanks guys
Bill & Hillary Clinton Met in 1971, married in 1975. Bill Clinton has nAsc at 5° Libra. Hillary born October 26th, has her nSun at 2° Scorpio. At time of meeting Bill's pAsc was 0° Scorpio. Charles & Diana First met in 1977, married in 1981.
Diana has nAsc at 18° Sagittarius. Charles has nSun at 22° Scorpio. At time of first meeting Charle's pSun was 19° Sagittarius.
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colorful butterfly Knowflake Posts: 1985 From: USA Registered: May 2015
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posted January 17, 2018 02:59 AM
I am not sure about the progressed ascendant but I do find the people that I attract into my life tend to kicked off by my progressed moon yet my moon is in my 1st house conjunct my pluto so Hmmm? My progressed Ascendant should be in Scorpio and Progressed moon in Pisces. I do have people around who are Pisces and Pisces placements. It's really astonishing to see the energy manifest itself when the progressions come into play. Always people with Cancer placements as well and I have a Cancer sun? When the MC moves I do think there is something that changes with Careers. My venus is always been conjunct my MC in Gemini and when moved into Cancer I always worked office type of work , my kids were small then so my time was spent being a mom and working. My kids are now grown and when my MC moved into Leo I tend to be out with friends more, work a job that is more service oriented\health care assistance type of field.I am not sure how this is more Leo like and on stage as Leo tends to want to shine out. Around 44 my MC shifts into Virgo so I am curious as to what my job will take a turn to then. I have a feeling that it will be to work with kids who grew up like I did and to obtain my psychology degree. It was a major theme when my nodal return came around. I went back to school briefly but it did open the door to what I think my purpose is for in life. Probably to also write a book but right now I am still stuck with Progressions in Leo and want to get distracted I think by other things that call to my youth. ( eternal kid here) IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 17, 2018 08:51 AM
@ Nine.Those are quite intetesting examples there. I wonder if a fated relationship or a significant one can confirm my Asc? Hmmm. My longest friendship is with an Aquarian. When we met, his progressed Ic was in Aries 19 Degrees conjunct my natal Ac. And progressed Asc was conjunct my natal Mc. My longest relationship(and most significant) was with a Gemini . And we met when his prog Sun was opposite my natal Sun. And if his Asc degree is indeed correct, his prog Asc was opposite my natal Asc exactly when we started dating. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 17, 2018 09:07 AM
@colourful butterflyThank you for that. I will take notes. It seems that the Mc/Ic progressions I have largely ignored. I would reckon that I would attract people with Moon in Cap/Can specifically the 22 Degree ones. Whether it be progressed or natal. I tend to attract air Moons so far. It could be my progressed Moon in Libra Changes are occurring however since pMoon squared my natal Mc. The pMoon is so dynamic.
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3272 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 17, 2018 09:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: @ Nine.Those are quite intetesting examples there. I wonder if a fated relationship or a significant one can confirm my Asc? Hmmm.
Yes. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4941 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 17, 2018 01:44 PM
I will be paying attention to all this. Thank youIP: Logged |