posted March 18, 2009 12:02 PM           

the chart mimics your confusion and doesn't give you the answer.

9th house actually rules both travel & higher education (interesting thing), so in fact both would be ruled by Saturn. But you did mention career, so it's 9th vs 10th. Yet, surprise, 9th and 10th are both ruled by Saturn!

Venus is quincunx Saturn.
You seem to prefer to visit the family (moon, ruler of 4th is in the 8th, nearing the 9th cusp; Pluto, ruler of relationships in the 9th, house of queried).

However, many stress variables hold you back. Squares to merc (ruler of money and work), sun (creativity) and uranus (friends).

Your significator is in the 12th, showing the deep worry about travel/study (sq Pluto in the 9th).

There is a good connection to Jupiter (which rules the 8th house). Jupiter is at your 10th. It shows you may also prefer to do your studies (its a positive thing). It's the worry about the family issues that are holding you down.

I'm not sure which path is best here, but maybe you can come up with a compromise, i.e.
(just an example), finish your course and fly there by yourself to visit. Or something else that gets you both.

posted March 18, 2009 12:42 PM         

I can help. The horary needs to be cast for the time the astrologer reads and understands your question & intention, and shouldn't technically be read for the time & location you've drawn it up with. I'm tied up right now though, but will be back a bit later this afternoon, and will look at it then.

posted March 18, 2009 10:01 PM         

I'm back! So, I drew up the horary chart once I re-read and understood your question. As I'd mentioned before, I had to simplify it, so I worded the question this way, "Is it better for Dulce to take classes this summer than travelling to see her family?" The chart follows.

I used the 1st house for you, the querent, so the primary significator is Venus who is rx in the 6th house, and your co-significator is the Moon, placed in the 3rd house of the chart. The significator of 'classes' would be Mercury - I used the 9th house to indicate higher education. Your family (I took it to mean your parents - unless you meant siblings?) are signified by rx Saturn, and they receive you highly in Capricorn (how sweet). Most appropriately, there is an opposition between rx Saturn & Mercury, indicating that you have to choose one over the other. You appear weakened in some way - are you unwell, Dulce? Or perhaps just feeling sad? It appears your parents are sad too - must be that they're missing you. I hope they are well physically.. are they? They may be going through something intense, by virtue of being placed in their 8th house; it concerns me a bit, if I may be frank.

What is interesting is that this chart clearly reflects that you have a choice. Moon is allowed all the aspects she can make before she leaves the sign, so she can sextile Mercury (take the class), or she can trine rx Saturn (visit with her parents). It appears that there will be a transformative experience of some sort (Moon conjunct Pluto), and that you may come into some money (Moon sextile Mars). It is an easier decision for you to visit with your parents (rx Saturn) than to decide to go with the classes (Mercury) instead - trine over sextile.

I guess, ultimately, this is up to you. How do you feel about this decision? I'm sorry I didn't read in detail what you said about it earlier, because I wanted to cast the chart for the exact moment I read & understood the horary question, this evening, leaving aside all other details (I'm glad I waited too, because we seem to have skipped the void period for a few hours this afternoon)!

...continued further in my next...

posted March 18, 2009 10:04 PM         

And LOL @ the chart Atlenta, I really am just all over the place. I just wish there was a way I could do both indefinitely.

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Venus and mars arent aspecting..so NO.

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That's interesting, so mars-venus aspects are always a definite YES in these matters? Something to do with wants and desires connected? *ponders*

posted March 18, 2009 10:13 PM         

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You appear weakened in some way - are you unwell, Dulce? Or perhaps just feeling sad? It appears your parents are sad too - perhaps they're missing you. I hope they are well physically.. are they? They may be going through something intense, by virtue of being placed in their 8th house; it concerns me a bit, if I may be frank.

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I've been a bit overwhelmed lately, I've been experiencing a few setbacks which is part of why I want to take this class so badly. Also, I'm in a new place that I'm just not used to at the moment...I'm a bit lonely to be honest with most of my friends back in Rhode Island. *sigh* Other than that, my mother's expected to go into surgery in May and it worries me a bit.

How do I feel? I don't like having to choose one ONLY, but my instincts are that I'll regret choosing the class over the family trip. It seems though I definitely have to pick one over the other, huh?

posted March 18, 2009 10:18 PM         

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You:
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*** SAGITTARIUS 28 ***
# 268 A SPLENDIDLY BUILT BRIDGE, A HERITAGE OF UNKNOWN AGES, STILL SPANS THE BEAUTIFUL AND WILDLY PRIMITIVE STREAM

You may feel a need to bridge the fresh and energetic emotions with constructive thought and activity. Traditional ways of approaching things can lead to the best solutions. There is a linking of people, places and things with clarity.
Enduring elements from past traditions providing a link with the modern day. Reverence for things of worth that stand as reminders of yesterday.

The Caution: Sticking with old and possibly outworn methods, with no new ideas to resolve the situation.

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Your parents:
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*** ARIES 13 ***
# 13 A BOMB WHICH FAILED TO EXPLODE IS NOW SAFELY HIDDEN FROM DISCOVERY

Explosive elements will need discharging. Pressure cooker energy needs to be released, slowly. Luck has it that the situation hasn't got out of hand yet. Take the opportunity to defuse some of these elements. Be careful as an explosion often damages more than is expected.
Tantrums and frustrations. Rash emotional actions and decisions. Intelligence organizations.

The Caution: Suppressing stress or illness that others may think inappropriate and thinking that your secret is safe. Repressing one's emotions. Undefined anger.

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Classes:
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*** LIBRA 13 ***
# 193 CHILDREN BLOWING SOAP BUBBLES

It is through simplicity and imagination that you will find the best solution. This is not a time to be too deep and meaningful, for it will be in fleeting moments of pleasurable wonder that you will find pleasure, joy and companionship. There can be a feeling, however, of a lack of depth in relating - like things that are said are like cartoon captions with little substance behind them.
Spending time being creative with children. Drama. Pollyanna attitudes that can lead to fun, or just nowhere. Toys and playing.

The Caution: Never growing up. Frivolity. Daydreaming. Making light of the more serious.

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*** CANCER 5 ***
# 95 AT A RAILROAD CROSSING, AN AUTOMOBILE IS WRECKED BY A TRAIN

This Symbols sounds worse than it often is: but there is a need for caution. The individual's ideas will not survive in a collision with the more powerful collective. This is not a time to be insisting bravely that you should be considered. The collective has too much momentum and will not stop. If someone pits themselves and their energies against society, sooner or later they are going to lose.
Not looking to the consequences of one's actions. Running against the grain of others. Cars, trains. Individual rights. Rebelling.

posted March 18, 2009 10:28 PM         

So that's why your parents are in their 8th house - that house signifies surgery, among other things. I hope it's nothing terribly complicated, and that it goes well. I can understand why you are so concerned, why this is a big decision for you..

From the chart, it seems that you may have some help coming soon financially - set this aside. Is there a way you can visit with your parents first (be there during/after the surgery), and then take classes later in the summer? Most Unis have 2 summer sessions (if you're thinking of taking it in the UNC system, I know they do). I'm sensing, like MVM says, that you may want to go with the trip.. in fact, I'm leaning more & more that way, Dulce, just a gut feeling that's growing from the time spent eyeballing this chart.

Keep talking it out here until you are fully comfortable with the decision within. We're behind you..

posted March 18, 2009 10:50 PM         

Mom's having a hysterectomy due to uterine fibroids though, that's what's worried me. And yes, there are two summer sessions at the College I'm at, but for some reason this class runs through both summer sessions.Its weird...

I honestly think I'm gonna look at the other option at a Community College in the next town over. It's shorter, and I'll miss some school in April, but I may have to take the chance.

The Sabians are interesting though! I almost feel like the one for me is telling me to take this trip back home...hahahaha.

The Aries one: My parents are pretty stressed these days, my dad with money as usual (he was kind of irritable on the phone this morning when I asked if he took care of half my semester bill since I don't have a job at the moment), mom with the upcoming surgery and my aunt's/her sister's recuperation from her injury. I'm glad these things are not gonna implode as the sabian implies its been 'deactivated'.

As for the one about the class, I guess I should chillax huh? I'm stressing over this all too much it seems.

posted March 18, 2009 10:52 PM         

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Dulce, I think in this case Venus and Mars have to have some aspects because Venus is you in the chart, and Mars is what you asking about.

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posted March 18, 2009 11:03 PM         

Horary is amazing in how accurately it can represent all sides to a situation. Dulce had mentioned to me in another thread that she's visiting her sister - Moon in the 3rd house of siblings shows that, and her primary significator Venus is retrograde in her 6th house, showing her feeling ill at ease in her new surroundings. The significator for her choices - school or parents - are in opposition, showing how it has to be one or the other. Her parents' significator, rx Saturn, in the turned 8th house alluded to the surgery. I get lazy oftentimes when I do horary for myself, but when I do pull up the Sabians, I'm always in awe.. there are always ones that are remarkably accurate at pegging things as they are.

So, MVM.. when the time feels ripe for asking the question, when you have this intense need to know, but at the same time, a feeling that you are ready for whatever outcome it predicts, is the right time. Send me your question when you're feeling ready. In the meantime, were you able to get all your things back from the ex?

posted March 18, 2009 11:34 PM         

So, that calls for a re-interpretation of the chart. If we take 'family' to primarily mean your paternal grandfather, Mars would represent him, and since Moon is applying to sextile Mars, it seems that you will be seeing him soon! If we consider your maternal aunts/uncles or maternal grandfather to be the family asked about, rx Venus would signify them, and in that case, Moon applies to square them, so that is another yes - you will see them! Then, it makes sense that Moon's applying to aspect all these familial significators before she comes into contact with the significator for the classes - it appears you're leaning toward going to see them first!

Another thing - about the Aries Sabian for your father/parents - it implies the pressure will _need_ discharging, Dulce.. It is not at the critical point yet, so there is time to work on defusing..

I'm glad to be of help, Dulce.. I hope you're able to take that class you have your heart set on, elsewhere, after you return from your trip!

posted March 18, 2009 11:46 PM         

I'm always all about returning things back to their original owners in original condition (as much as I can - even did that before I left work last week with my work cell phone & all that), but the ex didn't do the same with a lot of my things (I ended up with a bunch of unpaired, mismatched dishes, among other things I left behind that never got returned) - gosh, silly as it may seem, I've had a few dreams about going back there to retrieve them myself! It's all about the unresolved, I guess, lol! So, I'm glad to hear you can finally close that chapter.

posted March 19, 2009 09:03 AM         

And yeah, I'm very close to my mother too...stereotypical cancer thing. She's gonna need alot of help around the house for about 6 weeks after the surgery (can't lift heavy things and what not). O__o

Thanks again!

posted March 19, 2009 01:42 PM         

And, it's sunshine9 - no lion here!

posted March 19, 2009 02:31 PM         

Thanks for your kind words though!

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You're very welcome, Dulce! Glad to hear it helped. I see why the 'Luna' then - it's the Cancer influence! Love your name, btw!

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Thanks! My name is the latin combo of "Sweet" and "Moon". I know I'm not always that but I thought it would make a great screenname at the time.