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Topic: Astrology and Twins
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GemGemGem
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posted April 10, 2009 11:38 AM
 
I know these two guy friends who are twins. I don't know their birthdates, but I know they are both Aries and they were literally born only about 5 minutes apart....but their personalities and lives are so different! One is happily married and very spiritual, very involved in church and volunteer organizations. He is very bright and cheerful all the time, someone you can definitely lean on. The other twin is single, and kind of moody and has this gloomy outlook. He isn't involved in anything expect hanging out with the guys and partying. The only thing they really have in common is that they are both in law enforcement. One is a lawyer and the other is a customs official.Does anyone know any other astrological twins that seem completely different? I think this is a good example of free will, and what you choose to do with what you're given. But how would Astrology explain such a vast difference in two people who have almost identical charts? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 10, 2009 11:44 AM
what you do with it is up to you! i studied a pair of twins when i was first learning to erect charts (by hand) years ago...my ex and his brother. they are 20 mins apart which makes the differences more understandable(one has saturn in 2nd, the other in 3rd; one has neptune 2 degrees from the asc, the other is 7 degrees away) and of course the sabians for their ascendants would be different too, but pretty much everything else is the same. they have a LOT of similarities, but one is a successful businessman who does his creative stuff on the side, and the other is an artist who works to support his family and creative projects. when i met them they were both actively involved in music, but as saturn went through their 12th and crossed the horizon they diverged...IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 10, 2009 12:13 PM
I agree I always stress that free will is the ultimate factor
However,
I think these cases are one of the reasons that I am starting to prefer Cosmobiology and moving away from Mainstream Astrology
in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, the Midheaven is considered the most important point. It is considered the "I" , the moment,the minute.
5 minutes apart is over 1 degree of difference between the Midheavens also that's also around 1 degree of difference between the Ascendants
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20 minutes apart is over 5 degrees of difference between the Midheavens
also that's also around 5 degrees of difference between the Ascendants
I strongly suspect
that they have different midpoints that aspect the midheaven and/or different midpoint pictures that involve midheaven as the halfsum for example moon = saturn/midheaven the same can go for the Ascendant the ascendant/midheaven midpoint could have different aspects to it with it being the most time-sensitive midpoint those midpoints,midpoints can be aspected by transits,solar arcs,secondary progressions that are in sychronicity with different events from each other
twins born 20 minutes will definitely not have the same midpoint configurations involving the ascendant and midheaven.
Uranian Astrologers and Cosmobiologists use the midheaven bigtime to rectify charts because of it's time-sensitivity. They don't use houses at all. They focus little on zodiac signs.
Raymond
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Glaucus
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posted April 10, 2009 12:18 PM
another thingHarmonic astrologers would look at harmonic charts the higher the harmonic, the more important the birthtime is. if the birthtime is off, the higher harmonic charts will be inaccurate.
Raymond
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amowls
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posted April 10, 2009 12:45 PM
My astro twin killed himself. We were 20 minutes apart. So yeah, wayy different.I think the differences occur because of Solar Returns (they're different depending on where you are on your birthday) and the other people in your life (who act like transits). And like Raymond said, we have different MCs. IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted April 10, 2009 12:54 PM
i think this backs up that even if two charts are exactly the same,that doesn't mean two people are. it might mean they are if both people use the energies between the aspects and placements in the same way as eachother, hence the law part? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 163
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posted April 10, 2009 01:13 PM
the two charts aren't exactly the same though
they are still 5 minutes apart. for the charts to be exactly the same, they would have to have the same birthtime down to the minute. Those are called time twins
5 minutes is significant amount of
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I do stress that free will is the ultimate factor. time twins can live completely different lives, making different choices,taking different actions interacting with different people which means that are forming different synastry charts and composite charts with people which reflect different biological interactions aka chemistry and different relationships.
amowls made a great point about solar return charts. futhermore, the solar return can can involve transits,secondary progressions.
solar return charts also have midpoints too......so midpoint pictures involving the ascendant and midheaven are relevant in the solar return.
Raymond
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Geocosmic Valentine
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From: New York, NY
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posted April 10, 2009 01:47 PM
About 3 years ago I looked up a random astrotwin on the internet and discovered that she died from cancer earlier in the year. We were both going through our Pluto square Pluto at the time. I read her obituary and discovered that she was a teacher, she had two young children living in Tenessee. It was so strange. I remember going through a difficult time with my gynecological health, but it was of a slightly different nature but she contracted cancer and died from it during that difficult time.I don't know what time she was born, but it is incredibly strange to bump into someone who was born the exact same day as you and discover that they died. I also have an astrotwin that I went to school with in the 2nd and 3rd grade. She was born 40 to 45 minutes after me. She was (and still is) filthy rich living in a house almost the size of a castle. I wasn't dirt poor but compared to her everyone was. Why couldn't my mother hold me in for just another half hour. What was the difference? My natal Jupiter is in my 3rd House and Saturn squares my Moon which rules my 2nd House of finances. The time change for her put natal Jupiter into her 2nd House of finances (BOOM!! SANTA CLAUS AND THE MONEY) and the Moon didn't rule her 2nd House anymore so Saturn doesn't block the flow of funds for her. Isn't that EFF'D UP!!!   IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 10, 2009 02:12 PM
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Glaucus
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posted April 10, 2009 02:14 PM
how minutes apart were their midheavensmidheaven is a time-sensitive point too.
according to my chart
Ascendant's travel rate is 293'01 per day
Midheaven's travel rate is 337'08 per day so Midheaven has faster speed than Ascendant for the day I was born
Winona Ryder and I were born on the same day.
Raymond
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katatonic
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posted April 10, 2009 02:18 PM
my mistake there actually is a 5 degree difference, which i guess i missed when i was doing it all longhand!! very much explains why i married one and the other left me cold!! my ex's MC squares mine by 1 degree and his brother's is 6 degs out...of course the ascendants are different too, but i already knew that..IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 10, 2009 02:25 PM
wow Midheaven square Midheaven within 1 degree. That's a strong connection! Ebertin inteprets midheavens in opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate as complementation of life goals
Raymond
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GemGemGem
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posted April 11, 2009 06:57 PM
I had no idea just 5 minutes could make such a difference in a persons fate. I am a very strong believer in free will as well. My dad is a very strong believer in Chinese astrology and lifepaths. He always Told me everyones birthdate and time holds the key to your "potential only". How you choose to use that potential is up to the person. Some people are born with immense potential for greatnes and do nothing with it. Others born with less, work hard and become successfull and haapy in life through their own efforts.Amowls, I agree with you about the solar return as well. I've just started to look into those, but I don't know much. It's interesting what you said about the charts ascendant and houses changing according to where you are during your solar return. I had read a thread here which spoke about how people travel to different places in the world on their birthdays to try to improve their solar return years. Some say it won't change your chart for the entire year unless you stay in that location that whole year, and some say you have to be in the location on your solar return on your solar birth DAY only. Would you be able to clarify which one it is, I've been wondering this for a while. IP: Logged |
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