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Topic: What's More Powerful- Good Synastry, or Similar Natals?
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meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 01:17 AM
So, i've been reflecting on my relationships lately, studying the charts of those individuals who are key in my life... and what i've found is that the people who have had the most profound effect on me have had similar charts and aspects to me. But the puzzling thing is, when i look at our synastry, it's not necessarily dynamite. So my question is, what makes for a better connection- similar natals, or fantastic synastry? Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Or any thoughts? IP: Logged |
Peri Moderator Posts: 341 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 01:37 AM
the most profound effect on me have had similar charts and aspects to me it's because you understand what they are coming from ... in my opinion, the most powerful thing is to have your own issues worked out then you can handle any synastry with grace IP: Logged |
mercuranian Knowflake Posts: 104 From: the 12th house Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 01:40 AM
" in my opinion, the most powerful thing is to have your own issues worked out then you can handle any synastry with grace" IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 02:03 AM
Peri,So what you're saying is that I have to have my issues worked out before i can appreciate good synastry?... IP: Logged |
Peri Moderator Posts: 341 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 02:13 AM
I am saying the most profound effect on you have had similar charts and aspects to yours because you understand what they are coming fromIP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 04:45 AM
Meta,both are important, but yes, before synastry even comes into play, the natals have to be considered. Often you will also notice that the synastry repeats certain patterns in the natal charts (either of one or of both people). Example: A: Venus conjunct Pluto B: Mars square Pluto synastry has a Venus-Pluto aspect. So, this will be definitely an important aspect and highlighted area in the relationship.
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meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 06:13 PM
Peri,I wasn't copping an attitude with you. I truly was just trying to understand what you were saying. But thanks, that makes sense. DD, So if i have Venus conjunct Pluto, and someone has Venus sextile Pluto but we don't have that aspect in synastry, will Venus/Pluto still be a theme in our relationship? What bothers me is that I could have a similar natal chart with someone, but our synastry doesn't display a necessarily romantic relationship (even though with some of these people i HAVE had a romance with them!) ... it just bothers me, you know? IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 06:33 PM
Meta 4, I've also been contemplating this theory as well. I wonder if it has to do with meeting literally your astrological equal! I think that when two people have similar natal charts they can relate to each other and don't really have to deal with things such as worrying about how the other person thinks about them, since you just seem to get each other. What element is dominant in your chart? Because I have a far fetched theory that people with lot's of a certain element such as fire in their chart tend to just be drawn to each other because of a sense of relatedness, plus age could be a factor as well, I think that you tend to look for someone more similar to yourself when you are younger. IP: Logged |
Peri Moderator Posts: 341 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 06:35 PM
ah that's good cozz I was worried you might have taken my words wrong
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comica23 Knowflake Posts: 84 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 06:41 PM
Two person can have Venus/Pluto aspects on their natals, but their relationship doesn't necessarily have the Venus/Pluto flavor - it depends if their natal Venus/Pluto aspects are actually triggered or not.Non-astrologically speaking, imagine two person who are very intense in some ways - but they might not necessarily trigger each other's intensity. But well, there are often nice relationships that has poor synastry aspects too. Mine is one of them, but hopefully there are a few compatible aspects making it up lol. ^_~; Similarity between two charts does help, and maybe you can also take a look at the composite too. IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 78 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 06:59 PM
Vertiver,I'm Dominant in Water, but also heavily Earthy. Cosmica, I was thinking the Draco chart as well- maybe the synastry is shite, but the Draco charts have great links. That would point to having a past life relationship- but at the same time, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to have a relationship in THIS lifetime. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 531 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 07:59 PM
I dunno, I'd be a little freaked out to hook up with someone who has a chart like mine I would probably be able to get along with them, though, as in have empathy toward where they're coming from.I think I have equal parts of most elements in my chart. Mars is prominent, as is fire, but only because of the placements. One thing I did notice is that there's a theme going with my sun/their sun. Mine's in the 5th, and almost always my significant others have had their suns in the 11th, with some Uranus influence. My closest friends are Aquas or Leos (again, 5th house or 11th house theme). I think fantastic synastry is relative. What feels awesome to you might suck for me, definitely according to natal chart to chart. And also generational aspects might come into play a lot in synastry. Someone with a Venus square Pluto is always going to have someone in their age range with a Pluto squaring their Venus in synastry. If they have problems with their Venus/Pluto aspect, then it would definitely become a theme in the relationship. If they're aware of the issue, then they'll be able to keep it in check, and the relationship would not be based on that Pluto/Venus theme. Maybe then the thing with similar charts that echo each other is a theme of projection too , to an extent, as in, we see part of ourselves, it is externalized, and play out some roles with the other which maybe we otherwise tend to internalize and play out within ourselves. IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 202 From: The Strand Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 08:16 PM
Well it leads to strong identification (thus adding to strong attraction) but the synastry itself is what shows how the partners interact. IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 231 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 08:17 PM
I don't have friends/lovahs with similar natal charts to my own. Except I guess 9th house prominence.IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 202 From: The Strand Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2009 08:59 PM
Amowls - that depends on the DC and 7th house in general and other prominent overlays. Most of the people in my life have prominent water in their charts. I have Pluto and Moon on the DC and otherwise, I am very airy. I'm not really attracted to very airy people myself but I can think of someone who has some of their planets pretty similarly aspected to mine and I think this denoted an attraction to them on my part. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 05:33 AM
Meta,there are different theories out there. Some say, it is enough to have shared natal aspects, some say they donŽt matter at all. Personally I agree with Comica, they have to be triggered in some way.
And probably there have to be several things coming together: 1. natal shared or complimentary aspects 2. triggering synastry 3. and the fitting progressions / Transits to make you aware of the underlying attraction. But that is just my personal theory.
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DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 06:14 AM
MVM,the way you phrased it it sounded like having Venus-Pluto-theme in synastry is a bad thing, and I wouldnŽt ahve thought of it. I think every constellation can be expressed positively and negatively. Personally, I have Venus-Pluto-square, but actually haven`t met too many people whose Pluto squares my Venus; but I am using a tight orb with Pluto anyway.
Funny though, the synastry can be text-book-fantastic; if there is no Venus-Pluto aspect either in synastry or even more so, in the other`s natal, I will not feel attracted. I have experienced that over and over again.
I have seen so many Sun-Moon-conjunction, venus-Mars conjunctions and trines and so much more, yet only those with Venus-pluto or Mars-Pluto aspect or rulr of 1st or 7th in 8th house, or Pluto in 7 or 1, really attracted me.
Now, Venus rules my 5th house, and of course squares Pluto, and as 5th house relates to things you are attracted to or to romance and enjoyment, it is probably exactly what I am looking for.
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plutoprincess Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 07:15 AM
Good synastry!!! Similar natals may ignite passion and strong emotional involvement ,but they don't guarantee a nice outcome, or that noone's gonna get hurt... Been there, done that with someone born a week after me....it hurt like hell and led to nowhereIP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 07:37 AM
Yet, good synastry only works hand in hand with the natals.Actually, what good synastry is, depends in many cases on the natals. IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 231 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 09:40 AM
23, most of the people in my life are Earthy. I'm all Air and Fire. My DSC is in a fire sign, its ruler in an Air house/fire sign. Although I have Saturn conjunct DSC (also Uranus conjunct DSC).IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 531 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 02:35 PM
DD, no, don't get me wrong, I like Pluto/Venus in synastry I've just had a really bad version of it too with someone who didn't really get their own Pluto/Venus square, unfortunately. I was Pluto and squared his Venus (and Sun) pretty tightly so it was a little hellish for both. Plus it's the ruler of my 7th, so the more Pluto I have getting activated, the more attached I get, even if it's a 'nasty' square, it doesn't really faze me. I think the aspects can really go either way too...good, bad, ugly... I do think it's what we do with them.
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DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 02:42 PM
Completely agree, MVM, it`s really up to the people involved, how they deal with their natal aspects.Venus-Pluto can be the most wonderful, deepest, passionate experience ever, or it could be a real nasty, jealous, controlling, posessive hellride. Well, IŽd rather have option no 1.
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Fleurdelis Knowflake Posts: 30 From: A symbolic tree, Earth Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 02:50 PM
I think people with similar natals and who are attracted to each other in a romantic fashion are more likely to be twin or companionship souls. A chart similar to one's gives a strong sense of kinship, like they are another good version of yourself. They are probably there to teach you to love yourself, because if you hate yourself, the other person is going to feel the wrath because they're so similar.Good synastry can be complementary, and be a source for strong rapport and positivity. But I doubt its anywhere as strong as similar natals - they finish each others' sentences because they feel like the same person. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 671 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 03:10 PM
Fleurdelis, it`s what I have long suspected. That Twinsouls or other halves will have either the same constellations or complimentary constellation (like one has Moon conjunct Uranus and the other has Sun conjunct Uranus or similiar placements).
Personally I think the repetition or reflection of the same energies will rather produce a feeling of familiarity, kinship, being "one of a kind", while complimentary aspects (I have Venus square Pluto, he has Mars conjunct Pluto) will produce a more complimentary, yet highly attractive exchange. All in all I think in close soulmates both will appear, the sharing of same aspects as well as complimentary aspects PLUS the synastry that will emphasise those aspects. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 560 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 02, 2009 03:54 PM
Peri - YOU ROCK!!!!
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