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staborgi
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posted April 05, 2010 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Thoughts on this and what it might bring for you? I think its happening on june 8th at 0 Aries.

Interestingly (good, bad? ahhh??) I am scheduled to have an operation on that day. 0 Aries is my Ascendant, North Node, and Anti-Vertex! Oh and it's exact quintile-ing my Moon, inconjunct to my Mars...phew! I'm kind of excited, kind of TERRIFIED.

Does anyone remember the last time this happened (I think it was 1996?) and how it affected them?

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belgz
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posted April 05, 2010 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm good question. They said that something was invented when it happened last time. So we can expect some breakthrough with science..


I have a natal jupiter and uranus conjunction and it will be exactly trine it. Jupiter rules my 4th and 3rd and uranus rules my 5th and 6th

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posted April 05, 2010 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
Huh. I have no idea what to expect. For me, that'll happen right in the middle of my 7th house.

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posted April 05, 2010 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, now that I went and looked at past transits...there was a Jupiter/Uranus conjunction at the end of 1996 and the start of 1997. That was an awesome time for me. It happened in my 5th house, in the late degrees of Cap. I had gone through a bad time in my life just before--I had a massive breakdown after leaving college and for a couple of years, I had no idea what i wanted to do with my life. I ended up going back to school in mid 1996, and in at the end of 1996 I got one of the best jobs I have every had in my life. And I was meeting lots of new peopel and making friends at this new job, and i was happy and optimist about getting my master's degree.

Granted things fell apart for me again 3 years later, when my depression resurfaced and my job situation changed. But the good times were awesome while it lasted!

The "bad place" I'm in now is due to my life falling apart and having to drop out of grad school. I haven't recovered from that yet. Maybe this could be a renewal for me? I can only hope. I have been having some really depressing transits lately. All I want to do is get back on my feet, but I feel things beyond my control keep knocking me back down. Right now, I have tr. Chiron sq. my natal Saturn. Not. Fun. At. All.

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posted April 05, 2010 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
Whoah, sounds like an intense day for you. But any time something strikes that point in your chart, I'm sure major events happen for you, yes?

My Vertex is at 3 Aries and my DC is at 7 Aries. I have mostly nice aspects to my ASC, so I'm not anticipating anything bad when those planets travel over it.

1996 wasn't a good year for me. I was really disenchanted and unhappy, self-esteem at an all time low. I made a lot of bad decisions then.

I think Jupiter on your NN and ASC should be lucky, maybe something unexpectedly lucky will happen for you? I can't see that it should be a bad day for your surgery... good luck!

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posted April 05, 2010 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
There were some tough retrogrades in 1996. Pluto went retro for half of the year, and during the summer, all 3 outer planets, plus Saturn and Jupiter were in retro at the same time!

The Jupiter cj. Uranus only happened at the very, very end of 1996, because Jupiter had been in retro that summer. Did things get any better for you at the start of 1997? That would be when the Jupiter/Uranus would have been the strongest.

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posted April 05, 2010 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Well the end of 1996 I moved back to Australia after living in europe for 2 years. I was completley changing my life again. It happened in my 5th house.

I didnt fall in love ..

It will happen on my 7th house cusp this time.

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posted April 05, 2010 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Oh i just remembered i had my first kiss

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posted April 05, 2010 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
It means we will all suddeny (uranus) get fat (jupiter)

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posted April 05, 2010 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
It will conjunct my Venus at 29 Pisces, which rules my 5th and 12th. Hopefully I won't get pregnant.

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posted April 05, 2010 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
On June 8th,2010,

Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet, Makemake (named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God) goes stationary direct in 24'46 Virgo.

Makemake went stationary retrograde on Christmas of 2009 in 26'48 Virgo.


Makemake will be in a shadow period until it reaches 26'48 Virgo on October 11, 2010.
http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/makemake_great_sea_spirit_of_easter_islan d.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_%28dwarf_planet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_%28mythology%29


Preliminary keywords from Philip Sedgwick based on the mythology,astronomy, its Heliocentric North Node in Gemini and Perihelion in Aries during its discovery on March 31, 2005.

as a transneptunian dwarf planet, it's an evolutionary intensified object. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

Mundane: Data collection to support a doctrine or cause. Books, especially those of multi-cultural interest. Translation especially with a cross-cultural theme. Cultural synthesis. Integration of tasks. Computer iterations and/or algorithms. Dissemination of information whether true or false. Split second decisions. Lightning fast assessment. Fertility and fertility procedures. Birds. Fans. Eggs. Creeds. Documents of self declaration - affirmation statements, bios or autobiographies, a feather in one’s cap, selecting a safe location for nesting.

Ceremonial: Incantations. Oral remedies for healing. Meditations to unify the minds of several. Isolation for ceremonial purposes. Shamanic retreat. Cave ceremonies. Ceremonies involving hair cutting. Personal acceptance of one’s cause and karma. Ceremonies involving the use of feathers or eggs (feather fans, Eagle feather cleansing, the egg diagnostics of curanderos and curanderas - common in Ecuador, one of Rapa Nui’s neighbors).

I included Sabian Symbols for its Heliocentric North Node and Perihelion on day of discovery.


Heliocentric North Node in 19'33 Gemini
20 Gemini
A Modern Cafeteria Displays An Abundance of Food,Products of Various Regions
'the assimilation of multifarious knowledge through the synthesizing power of the mind'

Perihelion in 19'47 Aries
20 Aries
A Young Girl Feeds Birds In Winter
'overcoming crisis through compassion"
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

People with personal planets,points in around 18 to 20 degrees Gemini,Sagittarius,Pisces,Virgo will be strongly connected to collective Makemake energy with evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences that can be challenging.
People with personal planets,points in around 18 to 20 degrees Aquarius,Libra,Aries,Leo will be strongly connected to collective Makemake energy with evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences which may be easy to learn.


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belgz
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posted April 05, 2010 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus makemake was exactly on my ascendant then last year square my moon and i didnt fall pregnant when i was trying. I dont think it works

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posted April 05, 2010 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
belgz,

You're not getting pregnant doesn't mean Makemake doesn't work.

What kind of logic is that???

That's like saying if you're not dead during a Pluto transit on your Ascendant and square your Moon, Pluto doesn't work. After all, Pluto is the God of the Underworld. Therefore,Pluto means death.
Just because Pluto is named after the God of the Underworld doesn't mean that Pluto's only meaning is death. Pluto has many other meanings in Astrology.


It can be the same with Makemake. It's a dwarf planet like Pluto. It's not much smaller than Pluto. It's Pluto's equal in Astronomy just like Eris and Haumea are also Pluto's equals.


There are other meanings with Makemake. Not just procreation.

It can be creativity. It can be things involving communication.
Thomas Edison had Mercury conjunct Makemake himself.

Please check out the preliminary keywords that Philip Sedgwick wrote about Makemake. They are based on not only its name, but its Astronomy, the sign of its heliocentric north node,perihelion.

I posted them before your post in this thread.


Thinking that Makemake is just fertility in the having children way just because of its Makemake was the fertility creation god is a bit too simplistic.

Astrology doesn't work that way.

Neptune's meaning isn't just the seas which was the God,Neptune's dominion.
Uranus' meaning isn't just the sky which the God,Uranus actually was
Jupiter's meaning isn't just the king of the gods
Venus' meaning isn't just love,beauty
Mars' meaning isn't just war
Mercury's meaning isn't just commerce,travel,thievery things ruled by the Roman God, Mercury


Also being a transneptunian dwarf planet,
Makemake is an evolutionary intensified object. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.


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posted April 05, 2010 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
This is an article talks about using orbital symbolism for insights into how objects work in Astrology.


I. INTRODUCTION

Trying to discover the astrological meaning of new planetary objects is not a simple question of playing with a name, beginning with the fact that many of them do not have a name yet Their orbital dynamics, the place they occupy in the structure of the solar system, their physical characteristics, they all establish a framework, a "niche" where they belong, a "gesture", a way of acting. Then the astrologer fills this form with his observations.

The most elemental principle of astrology is the foundation of this approach: "as above, so below", except that the "above" is the abstract, heliocentric perspective, not directly observable. The whole of modern Astrology is based on this abstract and non-observable world of "above", closer to mathematics than to what is physically experienced with the senses.

There is nothing "magical" in this. It is a reason that follows its own logic based on concordances and different from the logic of mechanics and of "cause and effect". This doesn't make it "irrational" in any way. It is just more analogical and metaphorical.

All observations must be interpreted and given a meaning. To do this, the scientist uses paradigms and builds explanations based on premises and certain cultural assumptions about the nature of the object under observation and about the nature of "reality". The astrologer doesn't make anything different. He also follows paradigms. Symbolical association and metaphorical thinking is one of these paradigms, one upon which rests the whole corpus of classical astrology.

When we apply orbital dynamics to the study of centaurs, one thing that becomes clear is that they tend to be very dramatic. They speak stronger and with more poignancy to the imagination than ordinary, almost circular orbits. It is just a question of getting used to their orbital language and gestures, a language that springs from the "orbital paradigm", which we can define as follows: the shape, place, and velocity of an orbit, the "orbital gesture", corresponds to similar gestures --psychologically or in external circumstances-- in the lives of people.

The distance ranges outlined here numerically, describing orbits that intercalate across the regions of the slow-moving planets of the solar system, establish the main framework on which their orbital symbolism is based, defining unambiguously some basic dynamic characteristics. They provide the information necessary to establish the foundation of this symbolism, to which is added information furnished by the orbital periods and mutual recurrences, the angle of crossing, and the orbital inclinations and latitudes.

For example, all centaurs share certain characteristics derived from the orbits that define them as a group. They all can be included in at least 3 basic categories:

1- Their sphere of action. They all work at the level of Saturn through Pluto; therefore their sphere of action is very different from the level at which the regular asteroids of the main belt between Mars and Jupiter work, much faster and closer to Earth. Their slow motion means that their transits can be used to map the great breakthroughs in the life of a person as we are used in the case of the planets from Saturn onwards. They are "visitors" from the trans-Neptunian, Plutonian world, which through them becomes more human, more compassionate, closer to us.

2- Their marginality. They are a clear minority among minor planets, less in number than all the other dynamical asteroid groups, and --because of their large orbital eccentricity-- they are "marginal", i.e., "do not belong" to a specific place but "wander" through the space dominated by the giant planets of the outer solar system, in many cases more or less aggressively crossing their orbits or "invading" their spheres. They are "renegades" that do not belong to an established, institutionalized world, which in turn they "intercept" or "break", carrying a symbolism very similar to that of Cain in the Genesis story.

3- Their instability. The orbits of centaurs, because of the way they intercept the distance range of the giant planets, are subject to very strong gravitational attractions or perturbations that make them unstable and "precarious", with a tendency to become chaotic or unpredictable in a few thousand years only. They are "crude" and "wild", with a tendency to be aggressive, but --unlike Pluto-- their orbits are "sick" and "tremble", destined to be transformed or die as a result of their crossing the paths of the giant planets. They are therefore related to pain and to death, but also to rapture, unconditioning, and freedom.

As a well-established orbit-crossing category, centaurs tend to be dynamically unique, strongly differentiated astronomically from the world of the main-belt asteroids. They separate from the others by breaking the image of "a ring" or "a belt" usually associated with asteroids, to follow their own excentric path. This singularity makes them "special", and experience shows that they are intense and powerful, in concordance with the large sweep of their slow motion and high eccentricity, in a way almost inversely proportional to their small size.
In practical terms, as part of the mathematical-astronomical model, we use celestial mechanics (orbital behavior), as a metaphor that models or "screens" the astrological characteristics of the centaurs, so we concentrate on the orbits, which are perceived as an interplay ("music") making the particular characteristics evident by differentiation or contrast in their movement, like a dance. I like to use the words "orbital gesture", and compare it with the movement of the hands and arms when someone is speaking. It is not conceptual, but similar to listening to music. From the effect the music produces on you, you "know" without knowing what it is. As I imagine this "orbital gesture", a moving, living image appears in my mind which "whispers" to me. Then, it becomes a matter of identifying in the specific event or experience or feeling being charted that same quality that the music or movement or gesture is producing in my imagination.

An example is the image of wings and of light that I often get from Pholus. It comes from its orbital behavior, the way I perceive it, and also from the sound qualities of its name, joined to my subjective perception of some of the people who have it focal. The centaur-myth is not in this picture. It is true that apparently, the "regular" orbits --rounder-- would appear as "mute", but this doesn't happen when seen in comparison, in the interplay. It is a question of images: you can imagine the massive giants being crossed and "ringed" by the smaller and unstable asteroids, and this puts in evidence the characteristics of both. In other words, it is an imaginative language, like that of mythology.

As an illustration, let's consider, imaginatively, the main-belt asteroid named "Nemesis" (#128):

"Nemesis": one utters the word and listens to it... a fast sound; a cycle of nearly 4 years and an orbit or way of moving , of acting, a physical gesture, that is wholly conventional, placid, circumscribed, with no highs or lows. Circumscribed to what? To one aspect of Nemesis, one "face" of the archetype which is necessarily limited by the particular nature of the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

Which face of the archetype? What is the nature of the asteroid belt compared with Uranus and with Pluto? What aspect of the archetype cannot be expressed in the asteroid belt and needs other bodies to do that?

If we listen, for example, to the apocalyptic gesture of an object like TL66, with a period of 800 years (200 times slooooooowwwwwwer), going away from the solar system until it disappears in the remote darkness of the unknown, and coming again centuries later, travelling 7 or 8 times faster than when it is far away, breaking through the orbital realm of Pluto until it "kisses" that of Neptune, like the visitation of a dark giant comet, only to go away again and disappear soon after that, then we say:

"N E E E E E E E M M M M E E E E S S I I I I I S S S S S S S S!"

... and the sound of a cosmic "N" and a cosmic "M" stays sizzling ("S") and resonating ("M"), like the effects of a terrific wind that has just passed.
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html


Please note that the name of Nessus and some other centaurs were proposed by astronomically oriented astrologers and accepted by astronomers.

for instance:

The third Centaur Nessus provisional symbol for Nessus, invented 1997 by Robert von Heeren

Astrologers´ proposals on the naming of the third centaur were officially accepted

by Robert von Heeren, 5/21/1997

In April 1997 the International Astronomical Union (IAU) accepted a proposal on the naming of a small planet made by astrologers, for the first time in its history. The planet in question is the third centaur "1993 HA2" discovered in April 1993 (click here for the discovery-chart of Nessus). It has now officially been named "Nessus" (latin for greek "Nessos"). The suggestion having been made by Dieter Koch, Zane Stein and myself. The naming was officially announced by global email on the 22nd April 1997, 22h10 UT from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, USA-MA (diagram 1. Nessus is indicatively located exactly at the third cusp in this natal chart). Nessus is now the third named centaur - after the two formerly discovered centaurs Chiron and Pholus. The centaurs are a tiny group of (to date) seven small planets with unusual properties: neither conventional comets, nor typical asteroids. At the same time, they possess qualities prevalent in both. They travel along extremely differentiated and primarily particularly elliptical orbits in the outer solar sytem. Their origin most probably lies in the Kuiper Belt beyond the orbits of Neptune and Pluto. Torn out of the belt by the force of Neptune millions of years ago, they were thereupon catapulted into the inner solar system where they assumed their present orbit in time. They generally touch or cross the orbits of the main planets and thus have long orbital periods of 49 (Chiron) to c. 123 years (Nessus).


The origins and reasons behind the naming suggestion

During our work on the book about Pholus, Dieter Koch and I emailed its (as well as Nessus´) discoverers David L. Rabinowitz and Jim Scotti. Scotti answered our queries concerning the astronomical characteristics of Pholus and other recently discovered minor planets in detail. Scotti mentioned, in one of his emails, that he feared the stock of mythological centaur names may run out, as greater numbers of centaurs yet await discovery. We researched over 84 centaur names (which managed to dissipate these concerns) and mailed these to him on the 31st May 1995. We also mailed the names to the director of the Minor Planet Center (a department of the IAU and global centre for discoveries in astronomy) Dr. Brian D. Marsden, who is also responsible for namings.

In this e-mail we proposed that the name "Nessus" be given to the third centaur "1993 HA2" given that the following reasons seemed to predestine such a naming:

1. The orbit of "1993 HA2" runs extremely elliptically between Saturn and Pluto (diagram 2). It creates a bridge between the two planets. "1993 HA2" guides us from the ordered world of Saturn into plutonic spheres.
2. The mythology of Nessus has strong associations to plutonic themes: Nessos took revenge for the mortal wounding of his heart through Herakles´ poison arrow by causing great pain to overcome the Greek hero, even whilst fighting with death, through a mean trick. Herakles sees that his end is nigh and sacrifices himself at the stake. This finally leads to the cleansing (from earthly madness) and rise to heaven, saving and immortality of the hero!
3. Besides Chiron and Pholus, Nessus is the third and last centaur equipped with a substantial, famous mythology which has been a source of inspiration to artists throughout the ages.


The Reactions

Dr. Marsden thanked us for the list and naming proposal, passing it on to the "Working Group in Planetary System Nomenclature". Jim Scotti also thanked us for the list, but voiced concern over the savage behaviour and violent tendencies of the centaur so prevalent in mythology. We heard nothing from mid- 1995 until the beginning of 1997. It looked as though our proposal would be ignored. Zane Stein, the American Chiron specialist, took the initiative again in Febraury 1997 and sent literature about the mythology of Nessus to Dr. Marsden .The latter responded with a pledge to support the naming of the centaur in April 1997. "1993 HA2" is now officially Nessus.

Astronomers and astrologers have not previously co-operated on the issue of naming planets. Interesting, that it was the "bridge planets", the centaurs, which brought the two disciplines a small but significant step closer to each other. This would not have been possible without the openness and support of Jim Scotti and Dr. Brian Marsden.

The latter replied to my email of thanks, subsequent to the event, explicitly thanking us for our support in the research of centaur names and mythologies. He encouraged us to submit proposals for the four yet unnamed centaurs.

The Reactions

Dr. Marsden thanked us for the list and naming proposal, passing it on to the "Working Group in Planetary System Nomenclature". Jim Scotti also thanked us for the list, but voiced concern over the savage behaviour and violent tendencies of the centaur so prevalent in mythology. We heard nothing from mid- 1995 until the beginning of 1997. It looked as though our proposal would be ignored. Zane Stein, the American Chiron specialist, took the initiative again in Febraury 1997 and sent literature about the mythology of Nessus to Dr. Marsden .The latter responded with a pledge to support the naming of the centaur in April 1997. "1993 HA2" is now officially Nessus.

Astronomers and astrologers have not previously co-operated on the issue of naming planets. Interesting, that it was the "bridge planets", the centaurs, which brought the two disciplines a small but significant step closer to each other. This would not have been possible without the openness and support of Jim Scotti and Dr. Brian Marsden.

The latter replied to my email of thanks, subsequent to the event, explicitly thanking us for our support in the research of centaur names and mythologies. He encouraged us to submit proposals for the four yet unnamed centaurs. http://www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/newness.htm

The astronomically oriented astrologers determined its name based on the orbital symbolism of the object.

There is already a bridging between Astrology and Astronomy. The date that Nessus was officially named was April 22, 1997. We can check out the chart to see that small bridge between Astrology and Astronomy.


I really think that it's very important for Astrologers to know Astronomy. Astrology is based on Astronomy. All calculations in Astrology are based on Astronomy. Astrological Aspects are based on Astronomy. Ephemerises are astronomical tables of the movements of heavenly bodies. If it wasn't for Astronomers, Mainstream Western Astrologers wouldn't even be using Uranus,Neptune,Pluto,and Chiron.

Astrologers use ecliptic longitude, but Astronomers locate objects with equatorial longitude (Right Ascension) and equatorial latitude (Declination). That's how separate Astrology and Astronomy are from each other.


When I made a post on Eris, I used orbital symbolism. I didn't go just by the mythology based on the name. I even used events like Pluto and Ceres being equals in Astronomy in regards to Eris can be about equality. I compared that to Proserpina/Persephone who was shared for equal amount of time by Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter. I pointed out that Eris has a Proserpina/Persephone-orbit which Eris' discoverer,Dr. Michael Brown already pointed out: for half of its period, it orbits very close to Pluto. It orbits far away from Pluto in the other half. Zane Stein included Proserpina-Persephone symbolism keywords in his preliminary keywords for Eris. I also pointed out that its perihelion is in Libra, the sign of equality. I talked about its highly eccentric,anomalous orbit,and its high inclination from the ecliptic that it tends to orbit other constellations off the ecliptic i.e. it was discovered in the constellation of Cetus. That meant that Eris is even more of a nonconformist than Uranus.

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Don't forget close to the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction period there is also a Saturn opposition going on as well. I would think this would highly trigger the Jupiter/Uranus conj? (and I think there might be a Transit Mars semi-square/sesquiquadrate to the Jupiter/Uranus/Saturn ordeal.

But that's just off the top of my head...

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posted April 05, 2010 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
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That's like saying if you're not dead during a Pluto transit on your Ascendant and square your Moon, Pluto doesn't work.


Ha ha ha ha!! That made me laugh.


Well I was reading the links you posted and they only discovered it recently. Where do they come up with the conclusion in such short time that it represents fertility?

I mean if it was on my ascendant for so long it would assist in fertility. I know that saturn was at the same point around 25 degrees September last year so maybe that could've effected it.

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posted April 05, 2010 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Makemake has other meanings besides fertility just like other objects have meanings. I listed preliminary keywords that Philip Sedgwick wrote.

A Makemake transit won't automatically mean fertility just like a Pluto transit won't automatically mean death.

Makemake can be fertility in a sense of creativity.

I also believe that other transits need to be taken into account too.

Heavenly bodies have meanings that are not just literal but also figurative too. They can be metaphorical.

Even the ancient myths,bible aren't not necessarily meant to be taken literally but figuratively.


Also..Like I said astrologers don't go by just the name's mythology but also consider the astronomy of it to get insight into how an object works. They also look at the discovery chart. Philip Sedgwicks look at signs of its heliocentric north node and perihelion. I even look at sabian symbols in addition to that.

That was the whole point of my posting the article on orbital symbolism as well as my points about Eris in regards to astronomical features as well as the stuff on Nessus. Astronomical oriented astrologers took the astronomical features of Nessus and other centaurs into account before they proposed names to astronomers that got accepted. They didn't get clues about the object from its mythology. They got it from the astronomy. Any astrologer who has a grasp of astronomy can do that too.

I really think that it's important for Astrologers to learn some astronomy. Without Astronomy, Astrology would not even exist.


Also that article mentioned more than just fertility. It even discussed the spiritual,religious traditions of the Rapanui.

The article mentioned
"Creator God of Abundance, Competitivity and Fertility"


Makemake being a large dwarf planet named after a mythological character that is not Greek-Roman nor even European could even be about the acceptance,tolerance of other cultural traditions.

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staborgi
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posted April 05, 2010 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
I think the last Jup/Ura conjunction in Aquarius is when the whole Dolly the Sheep thing happened. But yes, these planets are also opposite Saturn (2ish degrees) and square Pluto (4), not sure if those will be as much to consider as the EXACT quincunx to Mars (in Virgo) and semi-sextile to Chiron (in Pisces). It's interesting I ended up with this day to have surgery on! Healing wounds from Chiron (falling in my 12th) and surgery/knives/etc from Mars (falling in my 6th). I hope we can all come back that month and relay our experiences.

And thanks for the good luck wishes Venus! It will be interesting to see what potentially unexpected turns your relationship might take since your ASC/DESC are being affected, especially since your Vertex is involved! I'm actually very excited for this!

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staborgi
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posted April 05, 2010 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Here's a kind of introductory article on interpreting the transit to your chart- http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/the-great-jupiter-uranus-conjunction-of-2010

Also I love this blog... http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/featured-book-jupiter-meets-uranus-by-anne-whitaker/
Dawn writes a little about her experiences and a book coming out on the topic, which if you follow the link has some excerpts and thoughts on the site as well.

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posted April 06, 2010 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message
How do I know where it will take place in my chart. I don't know how to see transit aspects.

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staborgi
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posted April 06, 2010 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
go to astro.com, extended chart selection
http://www.astro.com/cgi/genchart.cgi?&cid=7s2fileJOvwV0-u1198299555&nhor=161&nho2=43

under type of chart pick "natal and transits" and under "start date" put in june 8

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posted April 06, 2010 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know that I'll be able to tell what's activating what this summer...

I'll have the Jup/Uranus transit on my n Karma (0°) and n Sun (4°) in the 12th opposite n valentine (0°) in the 6th and n Saturn in the 3rd.

My n Sun is square Pluto and I have transiting Pluto, Karma and North Node all conjunct my Midheaven.

This year actually is so busy planetary wise that I wanted to start a diary so I could check back and see what happened.

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posted April 06, 2010 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
This is going to happen a week before my solar return. It should be interesting!

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